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Senate panel wrestles with election questions


Christopher Krebs (left) greets Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson after the hearing on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. Associated Press/Photo by Greg Nash

Senate panel wrestles with election questions

The Republican chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee said at a hearing on Wednesday he believes President-elect Joe Biden won the election, but Congress must still address Americans’ concerns about voter fraud. “When we have such a large percentage of the American population in both the 2016 and 2020 elections not accepting the results as legitimate, that’s a problem,” said Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis. “We need to fix that.” Democrats on the committee said the hearing only elevated groundless claims of voter fraud.

Did the two sides agree on anything? They both condemned threats made against election workers. Christopher Krebs, the top election official in the Trump administration until his firing last month, testified at the hearing under heightened security, said Sen. Gary Peters, D-Mich.

Dig deeper: Read Harvest Prude’s report on the questions raised in election-related lawsuits filed by President Donald Trump and his supporters.


Lynde Langdon

Lynde is a WORLD Digital’s managing editor. She is a graduate of World Journalism Institute, the Missouri School of Journalism, and the University of Missouri–St. Louis. Lynde resides with her family in Wichita, Kan.

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SamiamHis

Despite shallow claims that he didn't believe that massive fraud took place in the 2020 election, Ron Johnson plans to raise objections on January 6. He led the Senate hearings that several commenters refused to take the time to listen to.  Because I have watched many of the hearings that have been held by legislators of swing states, as well as the hearing that Johnson presided over, I saw evidence that is freely available to anyone who chooses to open their mind to the possibility that fraud occurred, on a level that was unprecedented and that may have changed the outcome of the election.  Overwhelmingly, after watching the hearings and witnesses in these hearings, I was appalled at the roadblocks that were set by courts, state legislators, governors, secretaries, and election officials in the swing states to acknowldge actual fraud that occurred, much less refusing to do something about it.  If there is no actual true forensics investigation of what occurred in this election it will never be okay for millions of American's who have paid attention to the trends that began in 2015 when President Donald Trump's campaign was illegally spied on.  I could list all the irregularities that occurred toward this president throughout his presidency, but anyone with any investigative instinct can find them.  There is simply no way that the left or many RINOS were going to allow Trump to prevail in this election.  There are still some honest people in our government who are brave enough to stand up for the pursuit of truth.  If the investigation occurred and no massive fraud was found, I would gladly lay down my belief and submit to the authority of whatever government the Lord raises up.  The fact that it has been so difficult for any of the questioned states to actually submit to outside investigations is very suspect.  You cannot audit and examine yourself or your own work and expect the rusults to be believed.  

I await January 6.  It will be very interesting. 

not silent

I am on hsgac.senate.gov right now.  The first thing I opened had this as its subtitle:

"Hearing called by Chairman Johnson Gave Platform to False Narratives that Undermine Public Trust in Election Process and Threaten American Democracy and National Security."

To be fair, I searched for more info and found:"U.S. Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, appeared on 'Bill Hemmer Reports' to discuss his committee hearing examining irregularities in the 2020 election and the federal investigation into Hunter Biden."

These are excepts from the official transcript of the statement by Ron Johnson:

"In my statement announcing this hearing, I stated its goal was 'to resolve suspicions with full transparency and public awareness.'  That is what good oversight can accomplish...

"...In preparation for this hearing, I asked my staff to find out as much as they could about basic election mechanics, controls, and data flow.  Much of the suspicion comes from misunderstanding of how everything works and how much variety there is in the way each precint, county and state conducts its elections.  Even though decentralization makes it harder to understand the full process, it also dramatically enhances the security of our national elections....

"Here is a brief summary of what we did learn: 

First, multiple controls do exist to help ensure election integrity.  Voter registration rolls and election logs for both in-person and absentee balloting are used to verify eligible voters and to help prevent fraudulent voting. But it is not a perfect system, as we will hear in testimony...

"Today we will hear testimony on how election laws in some cases were not enforced and how fraudulent voting did occur, as it always does.  The question that follows is whether the level of fraud would alter the outcome of the election.  This year, in dozens of court cases, through the certification process of each state, and by the Electoral College vote, the conclusion has collectively been reached that it would not."

(emphasis mine)

You asked my conclusion, and here it is: Based on these quotes, it looks to me as if Ron Johnson confirmed in his own statement that some fraud happens in any election and that the courts and other avenues have confirmed that any cases found in THIS election would not change the outcome. 

HANNAH.

Hearings | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee (senate.gov)

not silent

For Hannah, I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can.  Your link(s) refer to a press conference, which is very different from a court hearing or legal document.  At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'm going to explain yet again why that matters: Whether or not someone says they are "under oath," if they are in a press conference instead of in court, they can speculate, exaggerate, misrepresent evidence, or even LIE WITHOUT fearing perjury charges.  They can also present hearsay evidence as if it were fact and are not subject to cross examination.

Consider the confirmation hearings for Justice Kavanaugh: the reason he was approved despite the serious allegations brought against him in the press was that the primary accuser was unable to get others to back up her claims in court and other accusers admitted their claims were hearsay or speculation. I'm not saying they were lying (and I'm not saying anyone is lying about the election), just that it matters what kind of evidence is presented and how it is presented.

Over and over again, Tim Miller and I have asked you and Cyborg for evidence that was presented IN COURT; and, over and over again, you have presented evidence given in press conferences or by the media.  You can present a hundred links to media sources or from press conferences, but they will not carry the same weight as a decision rendered in court. 

Since we are both believers who trust the Lord, let us at least agree to ask God to bring his truth to bear and to show us all how to live in these times.          

Salty1

Here is a press conference by the Amistad Project where they release their report on the dark money supplied by Zuckerberg and others to manipulate the elections. For all you people out there that say there is no evidence of election fraud, this video is for you. 

HANNAH.

I've just watched a sobering video that concludes with a challenge: “At this critical moment, Americans need to come together to take a stand against fraud and in favor of truth. To choose freedom over communism, and good over evil.” Two ways to access it:

2020 Election Investigative Documentary: Who’s Stealing America? (theepochtimes.com)

https://www.ntd.com/2020-election-investigation-who-is-stealing-america_540191.html

Salty1

Silicon Valley bought the election for Biden through illegal means! It is time we call out the states with the screwed up election systems and demand Congress to not allow their electoral votes to count! Call your congressman and senators!