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North Carolina lawmakers expand access to universal education savings accounts; a spacecraft exploring the Bennu Asteroid returns with a mineral sample; and on Classic Book of the Month for October, Surprised by Oxford. Plus, commentary from John Schweiker Shelton and the Tuesday morning news


Lockheed Martin Mission Operations Assurance Lead Graham Miller, Lockheed Martin Recovery Specialist Michael Kaye, and Lockheed Martin Recovery Specialist Levi Hanish, prepare the sample return capsule from NASA's Osiris-Rex mission for transport after it landed at the Department of Defense's Utah Test and Training Range. Associated Press/Photo by Keegan Barber/NASA

PREROLL: The World and Everything in It is made possible by listeners like us. My name is Esther Johnston, and I live in Ankeny, Iowa. I started listening to the program five years ago as a high school student. Today, I'm married and listen with my four month old daughter Charity as we wash our morning dishes. I hope you enjoy today's program.


MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning! One in four K to 12 students in the U.S. may soon be eligible for school choice. North Carolina is the latest to join the trend. 

NICK EICHER, HOST: Also today, asteroid mining and refueling rockets in space … private companies are working to make it happen.

KERAVALA: And it's very tempting to test the premise of can you make that leap in a single bound.

And WORLD’s Classic Book of the Month for October: the story of how a non-Christian student found true love at the University of Oxford.

AUDIOBOOK: As I aimed to become a teacher, God made me a student.

REICHARD: It’s Tuesday, October 3rd. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Time now for the news with Kent Covington.


SOUND: The gentleman will state the form of his resolution. Declaring the office of Speaker of the House of Representatives to be vacant.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Gaetz efforts to oust McCarthy » Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz heard there moving to strip Speaker Kevin McCarthy of his speakership.

But the Florida lawmaker says he’s not trying to grab the gavel for himself.

GAETZ: We need someone who can connect the most conservative features of our conference to the most moderate features of our conference. And I understand that. I’m not running for speaker.

Gaetz was highly critical of a stopgap funding bill passed over the weekend to avert a government shutdown.

He — and some like minded members — say McCarthy doesn’t have the backbone for the job caving too easily to Democrats’ demands.

But McCarthy says it’s Gaetz who is pandering to Democrats for his own political gain.

MCCARTHY: Matt has been going to Democrats and offering them subpoena power, which will just destroy any Biden inquiry, impeachment inquiry we have, if they would vote along with him.

Feinstein replacement » Meantime, in the upper chamber, Vice President Kamala Harris is swearing in a new U.S. senator today to fill the seat of the late Dianne Feinstein. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin has more.

KRISTEN FLAVIN: California Governor Gavin Newsom has named Laphonza Butler to replace Feinstein.

Butler is the leader of a pro-abortion PAC called EMILY’s List. She also served as a senior advisor to Kamala Harris’ 20-20 presidential campaign.

LGBT activists are also cheering Butler’s appointment as she’ll be the first openly lesbian senator to represent California.

Sen. Feinstein died last week at the age of 90.

Butler will fill her seat for at least the next year. The winner of a special election next November will serve out the final weeks of Feinstein’s term which expires in January of 2025.

For WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin.

Trump civil trial » Former President Donald Trump had strong words for the attorney general of New York after spending his Monday in a Manhattan courtroom.

TRUMP: Letitia James is a disgrace. She’s a disgrace to the country and the state of New York.

The former president voluntarily appeared in court Monday at the start of a civil trial that could cost him control of Trump Tower and other prized properties.

Letitia James sued Trump and his family business last year accusing him of lying on paperwork submitted to banks, insurance companies, and others.

A judge issued a summary judgment last week finding Trump’s company liable for one of the claims of fraud.

James told reporters …

JAMES: No matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you may think that you have, no one is above the law.

Trump called the trial a sham and a continuation of a witch hunt.

James is seeking $250 million in penalties and a ban on Trump doing business in New York. 

College free speech poll » College campuses have no place for conservative voices. That’s what most Americans believe, according to a new poll. WORLD’s Josh Schumacher has more.

JOSH SCHUMACHER: Only one in five Americans think conservative viewpoints have significant freedom to be heard on U.S. college campuses.

The Associated Press, NORC and the University of Chicago surveyed well over a thousand adults.

Roughly half of those polled say liberals are free to speak their minds on campus. But only 20 percent think that conservatives have the same freedom.

Among liberal-leaning respondents, three in ten said conservatives can share their viewpoints on campuses. Just one in ten conservatives believe the same.

One respondent with a son in college said Donald Trump rallies are treated like KKK events.

For WORLD, I’m Josh Schumacher.

Ukraine support » The Pentagon is warning that it’s running low on cash to replace weapons sent to Ukraine.

In a letter to House and Senate leaders, the Pentagon said it has less than $2 billion dollars left of the $26 billion Congress provided for that purpose.

Some lawmakers have begun to balk at sending billions overseas with pressing needs at home.

But White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre says helping Ukraine defeat Vladimir Putin’s invasion … is in America’s interest.

PIERRE: By helping Ukraine, we are also protecting and delivering for the American people and our national security. So that’s important as well.

The House did not include Ukraine aid in a stopgap funding bill passed on Saturday. They plan to debate that in a separate measure.

Kenyan forces to Haiti » Armed security forces will soon patrol the streets of Haiti where violent gangs continue to terrorize its citizen.

Kenya will lead forces from several Caribbean nations to help restore order after the U.N. Security Council signed off on deploying the multinational force.

Jeffrey DeLaurentis is a senior security advisor for the U.S. mission to the U.N.

DELAUERENTIS: We have stepped up, answering the calls of a member state amid alarming, spiraling gang violence.

The United States will provide help with logistics and $100 million dollars in funding.

I’m Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: A win for families with new school choice legislation in North Carolina. Plus, finding true love at Oxford University.

This is The World and Everything in It.


MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Tuesday the 3rd day of October, 2023.

You’re listening to The World and Everything in It and we’re glad you’re along with us today. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

First up, a legislative win for school choice. North Carolina students can now access a universal education savings account program.

At the end of September, state legislators passed a budget bill that included the program, and Gov. Roy Cooper allowed the bill to become law without signing it.

Some experts think North Carolina’s program could be one of the biggest in the country … and other states are taking notice. Like Texas which is having a special legislative session on school choice this month. They join a growing number of states expanding school choice for families.

REICHARD: Joining us now to talk about the state of school choice in America is Amber Northern. She’s the senior vice president for research at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute. Amber, good morning.

AMBER NORTHERN: Good morning. Nice to be here, Mary.

REICHARD: What is significant about the timing and circumstances of North Carolina’s new school choice program?

NORTHERN: I think that they listened to their constituents and the and the families who live in North Carolina. There had been a pretty overwhelming response, they used to have a smaller program, and there was a waiting list and parents were very excited about this program. And basically, they listened and they extended the program basically tripled the funding. And I think that overall, it's been well received. Well, obviously, we'll get into the debates around, you know, the for and against, but what's significant to me is yes, that that North Carolina actually did something that Texas has not been able to do, which Texas is supposed to be the, you know, the redder state. But but North Carolina took its cues and expanded a popular program

REICHARD: When Gov. Cooper in North Carolina announced he would not veto the budget bill, he said the school choice provision, and I’ll quote him here, “seriously shortchanges” North Carolina schools. What does he mean by that, and is his concern reasonable?

NORTHERN: I think there's a misunderstanding that school systems are set up to benefit adults. And in this case, they're not. I mean, they're supposed to be serving students. And so if you think that you're robbing public schools to give money to private schools, then you know, that's where you say, oh, it's shortchanges students. But if you think that, you know, parents should be able to spend what's public money delegated to their child, how they, you know, would like to spend it, then you're you don't see it as a short change. And what I've seen other folks make a very good point is that we already have a good model with this with Pell Grants. I mean, Pell Grants, families, students are allowed to take those federal monies, to any public or private school that they'd like to use the money. Same for Headstart in the pre-k space. I mean, when you get a Headstart Grant, you're able to use that for a private or a public program. So it's not as if we don't have precedent here with these types of programs. And what's good about the North Carolina model is It's means-tested. So, you know, although all families can apply, you're gonna get a lot less if you're a wealthy family versus if you're not.

REICHARD: What arguments did parents and advocates make to lawmakers that compelled them to get this legislation done in North Carolina? What worked?

NORTHERN: You know, one argument that stands the test of time is when a child is, quote, "trapped in a failing school," you know, we know that there are many schools year after year after year after year that have gotten miserable ratings in the state accountability systems, that kids year after year or or can't read at a third grade level, can't can't do basic mathematics, and yet the schools remain open. And so if a school is not serving a child well, and you've got a poor family that their only option is to go to their zone school, then that's, that's not a very good argument to say, "Hey, you're forced to stay there, because you're not a family of means. And we're not going to give you any choices." And so that was a winning argument to say, you know, what a lot of folks with with more money can obviously, including many of these Democratic legislators, and that was a hypocrisy of that was brought up. You don't want these vouchers, but yet your own child's going to bribe its goal, that the optics on that look pretty bad. So the fact that these kids actually have an option, just like middle and upper class families do is a winning argument.

REICHARD: Final question here, Amber, what are some blindspots or challenges within the wider school choice movement?

NORTHERN: I think funding, that's the one that always always comes up. There's a misconception that charter schools are public schools. And, and they are public schools. And they have you know, that basically, the grand bargain is if you're a charter school, you get more autonomy in exchange for more accountability. So the idea that if you don't do well, you know, three to five years down the line, you can be closed, and we do see charter schools being closed. And that's one I mean, that's one big challenge. You know, if if we say that we actually do need to close these schools, so we keep up our end of the bargain in terms of an innovation that didn't work out. That's one challenge is just keeping up with the grand bargain and the other is getting the funding sometimes a state might institute a voucher or program, but funded at a very low level where it's really not going to cover the entire cost of tuition at a private school. So those are just a couple. Politics are a huge battle always as we see in North Carolina and Texas where folks really dig their heels in, you know, and they think public education is being eroded. Or you know, they are the opposite where they absolutely think why can't kids have choices? This is crazy that we wouldn't give them their families choices. So there will always be politics around. But it's fascinating when things break through, we see agreement and these choice policies get implemented. And then and then we get to see how they do and evaluate them down the road.

REICHARD: Amber Northern is senior vice president of research for the Thomas B. Fordham Institute. Amber, thank you for joining us!

NORTHERN: Thank you!


MARY REICHARD, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: Digging in space dirt.

In 2025, NASA plans to return human beings to the moon. The agency touts the Artemis missions as just one step toward a long-term presence on the Moon and, eventually, Mars.

NICK EICHER, HOST: In the meantime, government agencies and private companies are working to lay the groundwork for easier space travel for the amateur astronaut and more profit for the rocket maker. Last month, NASA and Lockheed Martin celebrated a first in U.S. space exploration - the return of a mineral sample from an asteroid called Bennu.

Why did the mission draw the attention of mining entrepreneurs? WORLD correspondent Bonnie Pritchett has the story.

NASA AUDIO: We have touch down. I repeat. SRC has touched down. And touchdown of the OSIRIS-REx return capsule.

REPORTER, BONNIE PRITCHETT: On September 24, the spacecraft OSIRIS-REx delivered its asteroid sample to Earth. The seven year and four-billion- mile journey ended in the Utah desert to cheers from Lockheed-Martin flight controllers.

AUDIO: [Cheers]

NASA flew the sample to Houston’s Johnson Space Center for study and curation. Stephanie Getty, explains the process. She’s director of the Solar System Exploration division at Goddard Space Flight Center.

STEPHANIE GETTY: So, from there, about a quarter of the sample will be distributed for analysis by current team members. Three quarters of the sample will be archived and preserved for future generations by techniques that may not have ever even been invented yet.

So, how big is the sample to begin with?

GETTY: So, we expect the sample to be about an amount that would fill a coffee cup.

That may seem insignificant compared to the time and effort required to collect it. But that coffee cup holds a wealth of information – not just about Earth’s history but humanity’s future in space.

JIM KERAVALA: If we wanted to build civilization, out into the solar system, and then eventually into the stars, we need mining, construction, manufacturing capabilities. We need agriculture.

That’s Jim Keravala, CEO of OffWorld. The Pasadena, California-based company is creating a series of autonomous mining robots for deployment on Earth – and off.

As it turns out, asteroids are chock full of metals in rare supply on Earth – like titanium, silica, lithium, iron, nickel, and cobalt.

About 10 years ago, entrepreneurs poured millions of dollars into the out-of-this-world business prospect. They would replenish Earth’s resources while safeguarding our environment from future mining.

But the potential return on investment was so far in the future that few customers or investors were willing to stake a claim. So, many asteroid mining ventures didn’t pan out.

Keravala admits he was among those prospectors.

KERAVALA: Space entrepreneurs can be their own worst enemy. And it's very tempting to test the premise of can you make that leap in a single bound. And I tested that premise several times.

Then a rocket scientist presented another option. George Sowers [SOURS] is professor of Space Resources at Colorado School of Mines.

In 2016 he was chief scientist at United Launch Alliance, an aerospace contractor that builds and launches rockets.

GEORGE SOWERS: So, we were looking at refuelable upper stages for our rockets. And you really get dramatic improvement if you can find fuel in space.

He proposed the idea during the 2016 Space Resources Roundtable, an annual meeting hosted by Colorado School of Mines.

SOWERS: And I stood up in the front of the room and said, “I don't know anything about space mining, but I'm here to buy propellants. I want to buy propellant in space to refuel my vehicles.”

What fuels rockets?

SOWERS: So, if you have water and you can extract it and process it, you can create rocket propellant.

Its components, hydrogen and oxygen, make rocket fuel. And frozen water has been found in the surface materials and craters on asteroids, the Moon, and Mars. Mining and processing water to refuel ships in space would dramatically reduce the cost of space exploration and the extraction of other valuable minerals that can be used on Earth…or for human habitats on the Moon.

Suddenly, the prospectors had a customer. Well, a potential customer.

KERAVALA: But today the customers really don’t exist. They don't exist, because nobody's putting down on the table a dollar for an amount of propellant in space. There's a lot of prospective markets… 

Keravala has tapped into those markets, signing developmental contracts with earthly mining companies and the European Space Agency and the Luxembourg Space Agency. But he says the market for in-space propellant is still at least 10 years away…and Sowers agrees. He also points out that a more immediate question needs to be answered.

SOWERS: And the riskiest part of it is, how do we know there's really enough water there to make money? 

Efforts are underway to quantify the amount of water ice on the moon. But, Sowers argues NASA could expedite the process.

SOWERS: Maybe put out a public private partnership type of a program, like they did with commercial cargo and commercial crew to the station. Similar type program, I think would could easily work for, for propellant production.

For Keravala, mining in space isn’t just a business proposition. It’s about giving humans a future in exploring and settling space. The challenges to long-term human life in space are real, but Keravala says defying those challenges is part of what makes us human.

KERAVALA: And our human nature is one of growth, freedom of thought, aspiration, joy, and looking to the future with hope and aspiration, and excitement. That's what drives us.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Bonnie Pritchett.


NICK EICHER, HOST: You know they say no one’s above the law. But does it apply to all living creatures?

SWINDLE: Ah, bruh! Naaah! Awww!

That’s rookie officer Nathan Swindle … responding to a call from a lady complaining of a chicken on her porch that wouldn’t leave.

And the chicken, well, just wouldn’t listen to reason.

SWINDLE: Come on, now, git on git! Git on git now!

That’s Arkansas for “depart the premises.”

Bottom line, that chicken wasn’t “gittin,” so Officer Swindle was gonna have to take her into custody and bring an end to the free-range chicken’s liberty.

Which is easier said than done.

Because the chicken had more moves than an NFL running back. But ultimately …

SWINDLE: AWW! Got it!

... the long arm of the law did prevail.

SWINDLE: Got it!

Of course they send the rookie on this call.

All a prelude to saying, after some fowl play an eggstraordinary ending with the hen off the porch and back to the farm.

It’s The World and Everything in It.


NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Tuesday, October 3rd. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

Coming next on The World and Everything in It: Our Classic Book of the Month for October. If you like the autobiography of C. S. Lewis titled Surprised by Joy, World reviewer Emily Whitten says this book might be right up your alley.

AUDIOBOOK: Here I was at the greatest university in the world, and there had been no indication I was even entering a campus anywhere. The walk to the college had been long, hot, and difficult. I traveled far in the wrong direction before even realizing it. Eventually I would find out that C. S. Lewis had done a similar thing after coming out of the train station upon his first visit to Oxford.

EMILY WHITTEN, REVIEWER: That’s Nancy Peterson’s audiobook version of our Classic Book of the Month, Surprised by Oxford by Carolyn Weber. It’s the story of then Carolyn Drake’s conversion to Christianity as a student of literature and philosophy in Oxford, England.

The book is set in the 1990s, just as Drake arrives at graduate school. That first day, she’s just as lost spiritually as she is physically. But we soon see God at work. She begins to read the Bible, and she studies great Christian authors like John Milton and John Donne. Even the orientation movie turns out to be Chariots of Fire—a film about Scottish missionary and Olympic gold medal winner Eric Liddell. She’s intrigued by his claim that he feels God’s pleasure when he runs.

AUDIOBOOK: I mean, what if this God presence that this runner guy feels is God moving through us and through everything we do? If so, why do we resist it? What if everything horrible that happens, from drive-by shootings to illness, is because we have broken this chain of love, and we don’t know how to put everything right again?

You can hear Drake wrestling with a vague idea of the fall, but it takes a while for Biblical ideas to sink in. That’s partially because of her non-Christian family background and her father’s abuse. Both made her skeptical of men in general as well as any kind of heavenly Father.

Enter a young Christian man nicknamed “TDH” or “Tall, Dark, and Handsome.” He listens to her stories of pain and fear, but he challenges her to look more deeply into the Bible’s claims about her sin and the offer of salvation in Christ. Here’s a clip from the new Surprised by Oxford movie trailer. And though that movie isn’t as good as the book, it does portray their spirited back and forth:

TRAILER: You wear this brave face, but inside you’re just as scared as everybody else. You do not know what I’ve been through. You pour over the words of dead people. But you don’t let yourself feel those same things.

If you like a good romance, this book is a great one—slow-simmering and God-honoring, with an emphasis on the couple’s intellectual and spiritual connection. But it’s more than that. Drake, who published under her married name, Weber, says this today of her 2009 memoir.

WEBER: I didn't write it to be a romance novel, but overall to really emphasize that our, you know, we're married already when we're, when we believe in Christ. I mean, right there is a fundamental marriage and, even if we're single and that's the relationship that all our other desires and wants and needs and questions have to come to, first and foremost.

You can see the ordering of those loves in a critical chapter of the book titled “The Ultimate Valentine.”

WEBER: It was a Valentine's Day student party and everybody there, as the Brits are saying, are snogging and sleeping with different people and, you know, partying and everything else. But you're seeing all of this and it just became sort of 3D of just how empty those things are.

When Drake gets back to her room, alone, she opens up her Bible and begins to read the first chapter of the book of John. It turns out to be a different kind of love letter than she was looking for.

AUDIOBOOK: I blinked again. Hard. The words on the page came into sharp focus. Then everything all of a sudden became very, very clear. I knew Jesus was who He said He was. Plain and simple and true and everlasting. I knew that I wanted to know Him. To know Him first and then to know Him better.

Today, Carolyn Weber holds a Ph.D. in philosophy from Oxford University. She’s a homeschool mom, a wife, and a professor at New College Franklin. With such an academic background, you might expect her writing to be erudite—and it is. But she’s also down-to-earth, sharing simple, raw insights into her life as a daughter and friend. And that writing style has reader appeal outside of academia.

Christie Hart is an avid reader outside her work as Director of Elementary Ministries at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville. She says that Weber’s combination of romance and intellectual content is key.

HART: And I think that makes it more accessible for young women to read it too. You’re kinda hooked by the romance, but you’re also getting a lot of truth, and there’s a real romance there of God wooing her to himself.

Hart has seen the book benefit a wide variety of people in terms of their spiritual walk.

HART: If you’re a Christian, it can really build up your faith. If you’re not a Christian, it can help you ask some of those questions she was asking.

Readers should know that the book represents secular college life in a realistic but non-graphic way. There are no sex scenes, but characters are reported to have sex outside of marriage. There’s a gay character, and some characters drink to excess. Even Christian characters occasionally use bad language. If this book had a movie rating, it might be PG-13 for some of these elements. In terms of worldview, she entertains some ideas I wouldn’t today—for instance, in one scene she seeks comfort at the foot of a statue of Mary.

Even so, this remains one of the wisest books I’ve ever read. In C. S. Lewis’s autobiography, Surprised by Joy, Lewis wrote, “All joy reminds.” I hope our Classic Book of the Month, Surprised by Oxford by Carolyn Weber will bring you joy—and remind you of God’s saving love toward even one sinner who repents.

AUDIOBOOK: How differently things turned out from what I initially expected to gain from Oxford University, the symbolic pinnacle of the ‘educational experience.’ As I aimed to become a teacher, God made me a student.

I’m Emily Whitten.


MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Tuesday, October 3rd. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Up next: the theological roots of so-called anti-racism.

Recently, Boston University’s Center for Anti Racist Research has come under fire for serious mismanagement. WORLD Opinions Commentator John Shelton says there’s a problem deeper than even that.

JOHN SCHWEIKER SHELTON, COMMENTATOR: Today’s most prominent advocate for critical race theory, Ibram X. Kendi, is under investigation for the potential mismanagement of tens of millions of dollars.

The legacy media is understandably focused on the recent layoffs, financial issues, and criticisms of “employment violence” being leveled at Kendi’s Center for Antiracist Research at Boston University. But it’s worth taking a step back to see the social trends that formed Ibram Kendi into a social justice warrior in the first place.

John McWhorter explains in his book Woke Racism that critical race theory is a “religion in all but name.” That helps explain “why something so destructive and incoherent is so attractive to so many good people.” What McWhorter misses, however, is that this new religion emerged out of a progressive stream of Christianity.

Kendi more or less acknowledged this in his breakout book, How to Be an Antiracist. He wrote, “I cannot disconnect my parents’ religious strivings to be Christian from my secular strivings to be an antiracist.” Kendi’s parents met in the leadup to the 1970 Urbana conference hosted by InterVarsity Christian Fellowship. They had decided to attend to hear Tom Skinner, whom Kendi describes as “growing famous as a young evangelist of Black liberation theology.”

At Urbana, Skinner taught students about the dark history of Christianity’s entanglement with slavery. As a result, Kendi says, his parents left the “racist church they realized they’d been part of.” The Marxist-influenced founder of black liberation theology, James Cone, even helped Kendi’s dad to redefine Christianity as “striving for liberation.” From there, it was only natural that his parents “stopped thinking about saving Black people and started thinking about liberating Black people,” as Kendi writes.

When Christianity is reduced to a social program, God is left to an afterthought. And when God is an afterthought, it’s no surprise that faith in God would be abandoned when belief in God becomes inconvenient. Even the Apostle Paul would agree: “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.” Better to look for absolution by making your donations out to Kendi’s antiracism center, because without Christ, the church has no power.

But if Christ is risen, it changes everything, including how we think about race. Kendi complains in Stamped from the Beginning that “a truly multicultural nation … would not have Christianity as its unofficial standard religion.” But the truth is, God is making us into a multicultural people in Christ. In Revelation chapter 7, we see “a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb”.

In spite of all the racism that Kendi can chronicle, that great multitude will worship God together in eternity. The Lord, and not the ACLU, will bind us together in this way. This is the Christian hope, and it explains all the difference between orthodox Christianity and the antiracism religion that emerged out of it.

Ross Douthat once warned that “if you dislike the religious right, wait till you meet the post-religious right.” As it turns out, the post-religious left isn’t so rosy either.

I’m John Shelton.


NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy landed a deal with Democrats to avoid a government shutdown.

What’s in the short term spending deal, hmm? We’ll talk about it on Washington Wednesday. And what happens when your pro-life convictions are tested during a difficult pregnancy? We’ll have the first of a two-part story.

That and more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

The World and Everything in It comes to you from WORLD Radio. WORLD’s mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates, and inspires.

The Bible says: “When the oppressor is no more, and destruction has ceased, and he who tramples underfoot has vanished from the land, then a throne will be established in steadfast love, and on it will sit in faithfulness in the tent of David one who judges and seeks justice and is swift to do righteousness.” Isaiah chapter 16, the last part of verse 4 and verse 5 in full.

Go now in grace and peace.


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