The World and Everything in It: November 16, 2022

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

Will it be former President Donald Trump or Florida Governor Ron DeSantis as the Republican nominee for president in 2024?

NICK EICHER, HOST: That’s ahead on Washington Wednesday.

Also today, WORLD Tour.

Plus we’ll meet a man who’s spent his life in the French Alps teaching history.

And keeping your Christian witness in a hostile culture.

REICHARD: It’s Wednesday, November 16th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Now the news with Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Missiles reportedly hit Polish border town » President Biden spoke to the president of Poland on Tuesday, just hours after at least one missile struck a Polish town along the Ukrainian border in NATO territory. He pledged support in investigating the matter.

But this much is now known: It was, in fact, a Russian-made missile that struck the village. Poland’s government confirmed that last night.

Pentagon spokesman, Brigadier General Pat Ryder …

RYDER: When it comes to our security commitments and Article-5, we’ve been crystal clear that we will defend inch of NATO territory.

Polish President Andrzej Duda spoke with numerous NATO leaders Tuesday. He said all assured him of allied support. It’s unclear how NATO will respond.

The errant missile could mark a major escalation in the war. But Duda said his country does “not yet have unequivocal evidence of who fired the missile."

Poland is putting some military units on high alert.

Russia power grid attacks / Biden asks for $37b in Ukraine aid » Meantime, in Ukraine, a Russian cruise missile soared across the sky above an apartment building … then, a flash of light in the clouds …

AUDIO: [Missile]

… and the missile was gone — shot down by Ukrainian air defenses.

But many other Russian missiles found their marks inside Ukraine.

Russia pounded Ukraine's energy facilities Tuesday with its biggest barrage of missiles yet. It struck targets across the country, triggering widespread blackouts.

ZELENSKYY: [Ukrainian]

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said 85 missiles strikes were launched at Ukrainian cities.

ZELENSKYY: [Ukrainian]

He told Ukrainians, I know that the strikes cut off our power supply in many cities. We will restore everything, we will survive everything.

Trump announces » At Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort last night, the 45th president of the United States told supporters that he intends to also be the 47th.

TRUMP: In order to make America great and glorious again, I am announcing my candidacy for president of the United States.

Trump is currently trailing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in several recent polls of likely Republican voters. But the former president said with all the challenges facing America, he is the only man for the job.

TRUMP: This is not a task for a politician or a conventional candidate. This is a task for a great movement.

Pence book » But some Republicans disagree. And among them is Trump’s former vice president, Mike Pence.

On the same day Trump announced his campaign, Pence’s new book, So Help Me God, hit store shelves.

After the Capitol riot last January, Trump would later say that by certifying the 2020 election results, Pence—quote—“didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done."

In an interview this week with ABC, Pence described his reaction.

PENCE: It angered me. But I turned to my daughter who was standing nearby and I said it doesn’t take courage to break the law. It takes courage to uphold the law.

In the book, Pence makes clear that Jan. 6, 2021, was a breaking point.

PENCE: The president’s words were reckless, and his actions were reckless. The president’s words that day at the rally endangered me, my family, and everyone at the Capitol building.

When asked if Trump should be the party’s nominee, Pence said I think there will be better options in the future.

Pence also hinted that he is considering a White House bid of his own.

McCarthy wins speaker nomination » Republican Congressman Kevin McCarthy is one step closer to taking the House speaker gavel from Nancy Pelosi. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin has more.

KRISTEN FLAVIN, REPORTER: McCarthy won the GOP nomination for House speaker by a vote of 188-to-31. New and returning GOP lawmakers cast the ballots.

But McCarthy faces a weeks-long fight to quell objections from the right-flank of the party before a final vote in January.

McCarthy will need to gain support from no fewer than 218 lawmakers from when the new Congress convenes in January, leaving just a few votes to spare.

This all assumes Republicans take control of the House, which still is not official, but remains very likely.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin.

Kemp testifies » Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp testified before a grand jury in the Atlanta area on Tuesday. A judge had ordered him to give evidence in a probe over whether former President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to interfere with the 2020 election in the state.

Also on Tuesday, a Florida judge said former national security adviser Michael Flynn must testify before the same special grand jury.

GA heartbeat law » A judge has overturned a pro-life law in Georgia. WORLD’s Anna Johansen Brown reports.

ANNA JOHANSEN BROWN, REPORTER: The Georgia heartbeat law protected unborn babies starting around six weeks into a pregnancy. But a judge ruled Tuesday that it violated the U.S. Constitution because it was enacted before the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade.

Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney's ruling took effect immediately statewide. But the attorney general's office said it has appealed the decision. The law had been in effect since July.

The law blocked abortions once a “detectable human heartbeat” was present.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen Brown.

I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: Washington Wednesday, analysis of the potential candidates for the 2024 Republican nomination for president.

Plus, history in the Alps.

This is The World and Everything in It.

NICK EICHER, HOST: It’s Wednesday, November 16th, 2022. You’re listening to WORLD Radio and we’re so glad you’ve joined us today! Good morning, I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. It’s Washington Wednesday.

The midterms have come and gone, although some outcomes are still not final.

Now the presidential election cycle is upon us with Donald Trump’s big announcement last night.

Not long ago, it seemed almost certain that if Trump chose to run again, he would be the GOP nominee. But his nomination no longer appears inevitable. Far from it.

EICHER: After last week’s midterm elections, new polls show that more Republicans prefer Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over Trump.

A YouGov poll of 1,500 Republican and Republican-leaning respondents showed that 42% chose DeSantis, to 35% for Trump.

Joining us now to talk about it is John Stemberger. He is President of the Florida Family Policy council. He previously served as an advisor to state and presidential campaigns. And he was the Political Director of the Republican Party of Florida during the final campaign of former President George H.W. Bush.

REICHARD: John, good morning!

JOHN STEMBERGER, GUEST: Great to be with you, Mary.

REICHARD: Well, it’s unusual for a candidate to announce this early. Some speculate that the plan was for Trump to ride the momentum of the big red wave that was supposed to happen last week. But when that wave didn’t happen, he went forward with the early announcement anyway. Why do you think he chose to announce this early?

STEMBERGER: Well, if President Trump is anything, he is not a follower of conventional wisdom, and so let’s start there. He's his own man with his own strategy and his own mind that is both complex, and sometimes a mystery to all of us as to understanding why he does something a certain way. I think there's so much interest, I think, that the Governor DeSantis’s powerful results in Florida as part of that provocative motivation to get out early. And I also think that he understands that momentum, political momentum can come in ebbs and flow. And so he wants to create momentum, because certainly the results of the election didn't do anything for him in terms of those he endorsed. And just his general advocacy may have actually brought everyone down. It's really hard to say what the cause of the results are—barring Florida's amazing results. So I think that it's really hard to know exactly what I think those are some of the factors involved with this decision to announce early.

REICHARD: Well, we mentioned the YouGov poll, but there’s more. I’ll summarize these very briefly:

A survey of likely GOP voters commissioned by the Club for Growth shows DeSantis up over Trump by double digits in early voting states Iowa and New Hampshire. And he’s up 20-plus point leads in Georgia and Florida.

And one more: A Texas Republican party poll has DeSantis up 11 points.

Do you think this is a temporary bounce for DeSantis after Florida’s red wave last week or something more?

STEMBERGER: You know, it’s really hard in politics to find people who are highly principled, and also gracious and collegial and know where the line is between personal insult and being combative on an issue. And I think that that's something that Governor DeSantis brings very uniquely. Normally, when you find a politician who's collegial and gracious, they kind of somehow lack the courage factor. And then those that have great courage, right, and are strong on the issues, they seem to lack grace and understand where the line is, and just attacking people and just how to present themselves in kind of a winsome way. But Governor DeSantis has a unique ability to do both of those things. And I think that's what the public's looking for. We're looking for all the courage and conviction of Donald Trump, but with somebody that's not going to have the same kind of bad tweet aftertaste, so to speak. So I think you're gonna see DeSantis grow in popularity and so this is a cause for concern probably for the president himself, and maybe they're one of the reasons why he jumped out earlier.

REICHARD: Let’s focus just on Florida, your home state. There we did see a red wave. Break down the Florida midterm results for us. What stood out to you the most?

STEMBERGER: Well, yeah, it was an amazing night for Republicans in Florida. We flipped three congressional seats from Democrat to Republican. There was a new seat that was created which was added to the Republican count. In the Senate, we gained four seats. In the state house we gained almost eight or nine seats depending on the results of one final election that hasn't come in yet. We gained all of the cabinet seats. There was one statewide Democrat that held. So it was kind of a clean sweep. Governor DeSantis with a commanding, like 20 point lead almost, which is really remarkable. That's never been done in Florida's history. So yeah, it's really remarkable. You know, if you look at that plus voter registration, we're now hundreds of thousands above Democrats in terms of the ratio of Republican to Democrat. So I think if you use those two things as factors, it does appear that Florida is now a red state and is no longer going to blink into the purple zone into the future. Whether or not we can hold that for a consistent amount of time will depend, I think, largely upon how we handle Latinos and Hispanic voters, and also women voters as well in the I-4 corridor.

REICHARD: Another challenge that faces Trump’s campaign is his ongoing legal trouble. Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp just had to testify about alleged election interference by Trump and others.

And the Justice Department is still looking to prosecute him over the records seized from Mar-a-Lago.

But some theorize that an indictment might actually help Trump, that it could galvanize support behind him for what many may see as an unjust indictment. What are your thoughts on that?

STEMBERGER: These legal matters are interesting because they are either serious violations of law, or some people just say what? Come on, seriously? This is about documents,? And so people trivialize it on one hand, but on the other hand, they view it as serious violations of the law. But these matters are going to have a significant impact upon his ability to run. I mean, obviously, if he doesn't appear, and there's a contempt order for his arrest to come before Congress or to come for a court to give a deposition and makes you a political martyr. I think you could make him a very powerful force amongst his already fierce base that's already there. But I do think that many, many as I'm seeing just looking on Twitter, I'm seeing hundreds of former Trump supporters just saying you know what, we appreciate the president. We appreciate his contribution. He was a unique leader in a unique moment of time, but it's time for him to just step away. I think we're seeing that more and more with leaders, conservative leaders within the party.

REICHARD: What do you think he has going for him heading into the primary season?

STEMBERGER: Well, obviously the biggest thing he has is his base. I mean, these people are fiercely loyal. They love the president. They love his tenacious ability to withstand criticism. They love his ability to throw punches. We talk about taking off the gloves, I don't even think he’s ever put gloves on. He always keeps gloves off. And so it's always a bare knuckle fight with him. And so people like that. They like his ability to push against the media and to take those hits, and to really not be all concerned or fearful, and his ability to take on the establishment. I do think you'll find all those things, however, in also Ron DeSantis, as well. So that's going to be Trump's challenge is you can't paint DeSantis as an institutional guy. You can't paint him as being in bed with the establishment or anything like that, because he's clearly not. He's taken on corporate America, taken on Disney. He's really done some unprecedented things as governor. So I think that Trump's strength comes from his history. Certainly, pro-lifers have to say, look, if it wasn't for President Trump, we would not see the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. That is a really big deal. And so I think that's a huge advantage he has as well for those that are staunchly pro-life and are grateful for his leadership and the appointment of those justices.

REICHARD: Final question here, John. Besides Ron DeSantis, are there any other potential candidates with a real shot to challenge Trump for the nomination?

STEMBERGER: No, I think this race is between Trump and DeSantis. Obviously Mike Pence wants it. Mike Pompeo wants it. You have Kristi Noem who's very interested. You have the former governor of South Carolina, former ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley. Yeah, so there are people that want to be president out there. Even in Florida, we have four main figures, not just Ron DeSantis. But you have Senator Rick Scott, who everyone who knows him well knows he would like to be president someday. And even Marco Rubio, although neither one of them I think has any chance in this cycle in 2024. But I think that right now, this is just a two-man race, really. There's no polling at all that's even showing any of these other people registering anywhere near above 10% to get on the radar to be significant.

REICHARD: We’ve been talking with John Stemberger, president of the Florida Family Policy council. John, thanks so much!

STEMBERGER: Thanks, Mary.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: WORLD Tour with our reporter in Africa, Onize Ohikere.

Mexico protest— Today’s World Tour starts with protests in Mexico.

AUDIO: [Protesters chanting]

Tens of thousands of people chanting and holding placards marched through Mexico City on Sunday.

They are protesting proposed reforms to the country’s electoral oversight body.

President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has accused the National Electoral Institute of endorsing fraud. He ran for the presidency twice before winning in 2018.

He wants to replace the institute with members chosen by voters instead of lawmakers. But opponents say he is damaging democratic checks and balances.

AUDIO: [Speaking Spanish]

This 50-year-old merchant says the protest is not targeting a particular leader but anyone who wants to wrongfully take control of elections.

Mexico’s next presidential election is scheduled for 2024 when Obrador’s six-year term ends.

Slovenia election— Next to Europe, where the small Balkan nation of Slovenia has elected its first female leader.

AUDIO: [Musar celebrating]

Natasa Pirc Musar won a Sunday runoff vote in the country of 2 million people.

The 54-year-old lawyer defeated conservative former Foreign Minister Anze Logar by about eight percentage points.

Logar conceded defeat, saying he hopes Pirc Musar will carry out all the promises she made during her campaign.

Musar previously represented former U.S. first lady Melania Trump in copyright and other cases in her native Slovenia.

Haiti fuel flows — Next, to Haiti.

AUDIO: [Motorcycles queuing for fuel]

Cars and motorcycles queued up inside fuel stations in Port-au-Prince over the weekend.

The stations have resumed operations after two months of shortages.

A powerful gang seized control of a major fuel depot in the capital city back in September. The blockade forced gas stations to close and limited operating hours for grocery stores and hospitals.

Haitian security forces announced last week they regained control of the terminal. The first batch of fuel to leave the terminal went to hospitals, factories, and public institutions.

World Cup countdown — We wrap up today in Qatar

AUDIO: [Fans taking photos]

Soccer fans milled around the trophy cup-shaped clock counting down to the soccer World Cup tournament.

It’s the first time an Arab nation will host the event. It is expected to draw in more than 1.2 million visitors.

Qatar is accused of violating the rights of migrant workers preparing the stadium and other infrastructure ahead of the games. The nation rejected calls to set up a compensation fund for migrant workers killed or injured on site.

The World Cup will kick off on Sunday with a match between the host country and Ecuador.

That’s it for this week’s World Tour. Reporting for WORLD, I’m Onize Ohikere in Abuja, Nigeria.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Well, everyone loves a wedding and a memorable location just adds to the moment.

For one couple in Illinois? Something completely different.

Here’s bride Jessica Bojanowsky on NBC News:

BOJANOWSKY: We love Aldi! Aldi is a big part of our relationship together…

Yes, Aldi, the grocery store. The happy couple tied the knot last week.

The reception featured Aldi food and drink. The wedding cake was even topped with a miniature shopping cart.

Groom Michael Hurd got weepy, and it wasn’t because he was standing near the onions:

HURD: Once I saw her walking down with her father, that's when it really got me teary eyed. 

The couple won a contest sponsored by the store. They beat out hundreds of other couples for the all expenses paid wedding, plus free groceries for a year.

HURD: Can't be happier. (cheers)

It’s The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Wednesday, November 16th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: Proving a point from history.

John Hoyte was twenty-seven years old when he first hiked the Col de Clapier, a mountain pass in the French Alps.

He was following in the footsteps of Hannibal of Carthage, the general who set out with an army to attack ancient Rome. Hoyte has returned many times since he was 27 to retrace his steps. This year, one month shy of his 90th birthday, Hoyte took the hike one more time.

WORLD’s Jenny Lind Schmitt got to go along, and she brings us the story.

AUDIO: Come in! Come in!

JENNY LIND SCHMITT: It’s a sunny August evening at the Hotel Miléade in the mountain town of Lanslevillard, France. John Hoyte welcomes us to the 20-22 Hannibal Hike.

AUDIO: It’s going to be wonderful just getting to know you personally, each one, as we hike. And tomorrow is our big day!

Hoyte has already hiked the Col de Clapier pass on the border between France and Italy seven times. The first time was to test a hypothesis. Historians have long debated where Hannibal actually crossed the mountains. Hoyte wanted to prove where it was.

In 1959 Hoyte made the trek with an elephant named Jumbo—borrowed from the Turin zoo.

AUDIO: It's sort of like a detective story where you have certain clues. You've got the mountains, you've got the valleys, the landscape, but then you've got the ancient history books, Polybius and Livy, and then the and also the place names. Some of them have changed.

Since the early 2000s, Hoyte has been returning every four years. He brings along friends and family and explains the history in detail as he goes.

NIKKI: My name is Nikki. I am John's granddaughter, and this is my fourth time doing this hike.

The Col de Clapier hike is 4 point 9 miles with a 1200 foot elevation gain. It’s not terribly strenuous, but John Hoyte is almost ninety years old. He’s been training for this day all year in the hills around his home in Bellingham, Washington.

AUDIO: [WALKING]

Early the next morning, 26 of us set out under blue skies. The weather forecast is for thunderstorms, but not until late afternoon. We’d be back by then.

John Hoyte walks steadily and as he does, he takes turns catching up with each one of his grandchildren, nieces and nephews. At each pause, his children remind him to drink water and take his time. He reassures them, but quickly turns his attention to the group to ask how we’re doing.

AUDIO: [STREAM]

We cross a small stream and the path grows steeper and rockier.

AUDIO: [HIKING ON ROCKS, COWBELLS]

A herd of cows warily eyes us as we walk past. John sings the Boy Scout marching song.

AUDIO: “I think we need a round of applause.”

Just before noon we arrive at the pass. It’s a jumble of boulders on a short ridge between jagged mountains looming to either side. Farther on, the trail descends steeply into the Italian Po River valley.

AUDIO: Col Clapier… It’s about 7,200 feet. …“How do you feel?” “I feel alright.”

Massive bottles of Prosecco materialize out of backpacks. 5-year-old-granddaughter Irene pulls a plush elephant out of her backpack to represent Jumbo. Everyone laughs and snaps pictures. Just below the pass on the French side is a wide flat plain next to a lake. Hoyte sweeps his arm around, helping us imagine 30,000 men camped there.

AUDIO: “Alright friends! Let us drink a toast to Hannibal…His courageous troops with 37 elephants, they passed right by here and descended into Italy. So a toast to all climbers and to all the families who are up here together…”

“Hear hear!”

And to John, for walking this in his 90th year!

After a sandwich and a rest Hoyte stands near the stone marking the French-Italian border. He points to the valley down below and recites Hannibal’s speech to his soldiers.

AUDIO: My fellow warriors! We have traveled many miles…from Carthaginia in Spain…We come at last to the final ramparts of Rome. So that’s the story of Hannibal. [Applause]

AUDIO: [RAIN]

The group has barely started back down the mountain when the thunderstorm hits.

AUDIO: [Thunder]

The downpour makes the rocks slippery. What was already challenging for John Hoyte becomes downright hazardous. Every step is precarious. But Hoyte’s guests accompany him back down the mountain, step after careful step.

AUDIO: [CLAPPING]

That evening the group gathers back at the Hotel Miléade for a celebratory feast. The mayors of the surrounding villages have all been invited. Each family group has prepared a song or silly skit.

AUDIO: “The Hoytes go hiking 2 by 2, Hurrah.”

The local mayors look on, amused. But when the others have finished, Hoyte calls on them to perform as well. They look at each other with startled stares. At first they protest, but Hoyte has a way of cajoling people. The mayors consult among themselves and then break into the Hymn of the Savoie.

AUDIO: [Singing]

Hoyte beams.

AUDIO: I couldn’t be happier…The fact that I managed to get to the pass and back, and then we had such a lovely evening with the mayors attending and then performing.

And the hike? Nicki says that in all the years of the Hannibal Hike, this was the first time they had a storm.

AUDIO: I couldn’t see the people in front of me…. and I couldn’t see the group behind me, and it starts downpouring and thunder and lightning…That was a scary moment

But Hoyte remains indomitable.

AUDIO: I was sure to make sure I was going to get there. I got a little tired at the end.

Historians say we’ll probably never know for sure which pass Hannibal and his army took. But as Hoyte’s own life has shown, the journey to find out is full of meaning.

AUDIO: I think the hardships of an expedition really make it.

For WORLD, I’m Jenny Lind Schmitt in Lanslevillard, France.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Wednesday, November 16th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. It was ten years ago that WORLD’s Emily Whitten became a reviewer for us. Since then, she’s reported on a lot of changes in culture, many for the worse. But in her commentary today she says now is no time for Christians to give in or give up our faithful witness–especially when it comes to our families.

EMILY WHITTEN, COMMENTATOR: What would you say is the church’s biggest obstacle to raising up the next generation of Christians? What about in your local church–or your home?

These days I hear a lot of talk about threats from the culture, and I agree, they’re a real and present danger. In a 2022 book Faithfully Different, Natasha Crain reports that while 39% of Americans claim to be “highly religious,” 10% or fewer “of all Americans have a biblical worldview.” Biblically faithful Christians are a minority within a minority. Social media, Hollywood, and our neighbors press “hard on every side” with their unfaithful witness.

The question remains, though, are we being the faithful witnesses we should be?

As a parent, I long to see my children embrace Christ and His wisdom. That responsibility weighed on me so much as a new parent that I actually dreamed about it. In my dream, when my tiny daughter was born, barely out of my womb, she began to speak and argue against me and my faith. It seems my deepest fear was that she would be like me–rebellious and often set against godly authority.

It turns out parenting has been both easier and harder than I thought. I did not have to argue with my infant daughter. She nestled in, snug against my chest while I sang her hymns as lullabies. She loved the pink picture Bibles I bought for her as a toddler, treasuring their pictures and lively stories and sometimes their chewable covers during nap time or car rides. She did rebel, but she also longed to hear about the things of God. She still does most of the time.

What has been harder than I expected? Well, it’s true, we have seen American culture turn further from God. My kids now expect to see the same sexual confusion in movies and books that they see in our rainbow-decked neighborhood. My oldest daughter has had a small taste of persecution–she lost her job at a local burger joint when she asked, politely, for time off on Sundays.

But in truth, my greatest challenge as a parent is the same now as it was in the beginning–finding time for God in our busy home. I am a Martha by nature, and we have work, school, basketball, volleyball, always supper to make and clothes to wash. When will I take the time to speak His words of life? To rebuke and encourage? To pray with them and tell of all His wonderful works?

I do ask the Lord to help us in this–help me in this. Because if I’m honest, I’m already stressed over travel plans and turkey and dressing recipes for next week. In the midst of the coming chaos, Lord, remind us we’re invited to another feast, too–the one Mary savored at Christ’s feet, listening to His Words, filled by His presence. Help us choose that better part and serve it out liberally–to our family, our brothers and sisters in faith, and if possible, even to those who don’t know you…yet.

I’m Emily Whitten.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: more stories from the southern border, this time considering the effects of illegal immigration on law enforcement.

And, a preview of the upcoming World Cup tournament that begins this weekend.

That and more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

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