The World and Everything in It: November 15, 2022

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

Ranchers in Texas are at the end of their rope dealing with millions of people coming into the country illegally.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Also what went wrong in Michigan for the pro-life cause.

Plus a ministry to surfers Down Under.

And WORLD commentator Whitney Williams on God’s unmerited grace and favor.

REICHARD: It’s Tuesday, November 15th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Time now for the news with Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Biden / Xi » For the first time since taking office, President Biden met face to face with Chinese leader Xi Jinping on Monday. Biden described the meeting this way …

BIDEN: I found him the way he’s always been, direct and straightforward. And do I think he’s willing to compromise on various issues? Yes.

Biden said there is absolutely no need for “a new Cold War” between America and the rising Asian power.

But he also objected directly to China’s “increasingly aggressive actions” toward Taiwan.

Scott Kennedy is an analyst with the Center for Strategic International Studies:

KENNEDY: These are two countries with very different interests, very different values, that are taking the measure of each other and figuring out how they’re going to be in this competition for some time.

Biden reiterated U.S. support for its longstanding “One China” policy. That policy recognizes the government in Beijing — while allowing for informal U.S. relations and defense ties with Taiwan.

And he said he does not believe Beijing has any imminent plans to invade the island.

Aid package to Taiwan » But on Capitol Hill, lawmakers are moving to fast-track billions of dollars in military aid to Taiwan. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin has more.

KRISTEN FLAVIN, REPORTER: Leaders on both sides of the aisle want to avoid another crisis like the one in Ukraine. And they’re hoping that heavily arming Taiwan will make China think twice about invading the island.

The military aid package would reportedly include anti-air and anti-ship defense systems, naval mines, drones, and more.

The package would deliver up to a billion dollars worth of munitions and as much as $2 billion dollars in weapons.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin.

Zelenskyy: Kherson is the beginning of the end » Onlookers applauded as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy awarded medals to soldiers in an unannounced trip to the newly liberated city of Kherson.

Soldiers shouted “Glory to Ukraine. Glory to the heroes.”

AUDIO: [Chants in Ukrainian]

The retaking of Kherson was one of Ukraine’s biggest successes in the war, dealing another stinging blow to the Kremlin. And Zelenskyy told reporters …

ZELENSKYY: This is the beginning of the end of the war.

Perhaps the beginning, but likely nowhere near the end, which Zelenskyy acknowledged. He said Ukraine was coming step by step to all occupied territories.

But he also grimly noted that the fighting has taken—quote—“the best heroes of our country.”

Nuclear warning to Russia » CIA Director Bill Burns reportedly met on Monday with his Russian intelligence counterpart to warn of Russia not to use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine. WORLD’s Josh Schumacher has that story.

JOSH SCHUMACHER, REPORTER: A White House official said Burns met with Sergei Naryshkin in Turkey. Naryshkin is the head of Russia’s SVR spy agency.

Burns is said to have re-stated America’s planned response if Russia crosses a nuclear red line.

Ahead of the meeting, U.S. officials said Burns also planned to raise the cases of two Americans jailed in Russia: Brittney Griner and Paul Whelan.

The Burns-Naryshkin meeting was the highest-ranking face-to-face meeting between U.S. and Russian officials since before the war in Ukraine.

For WORLD, I’m Josh Schumacher.

Trump to announce » Former President Donald Trump is expected to announce another White House bid tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern Time. He recently promised supporters …

TRUMP: A very big announcement on Tuesday, November 15th, at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida.

In recent weeks he’s already started taking jabs at possible GOP opponents—most notably his biggest potential rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

In a recent YouGov poll of 1,500 Americans, 41% of Republicans named DeSantis as their preferred nominee to 39% for Trump.

UVA shooting » Students and faculty at the University of Virginia are still in a state of shock after shooting that killed three students.

UVA President James Ryan …

RYAN: The entire university community is grieving this morning. My heart is broken for the victims and their families and for all those who knew and loved them, and they are all in my prayers.

The shooting happened just after 10 p.m. Sunday as a charter bus full of students returned from seeing a play in Washington. The three students killed were members of the UVA football team.

Police have arrested the suspect, 22-year-old Christopher Darnell Jones Jr. He is a former member of the team. No word yet on a motive for the shooting.

I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: the problems facing ranchers on the border.

Plus, a ministry to surfers down under.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Tuesday the 15th of November, 2022.

Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. First up, the crisis at the border.

The number of people crossing illegally into the United States from Mexico is unprecedented. In the fiscal year that ended September 30, U.S. Customs and Border Protection arrested almost half a million people for illegally crossing into just one region of Texas. The results are predictable for the people living near the border’s most porous opening in the small town of Eagle Pass, Texas. All this is stretching patience and resources

REICHARD: WORLD Radio correspondent Bonnie Pritchett visited the area to bring us stories of illegal immigration’s toll from a rancher’s perspective.

WALL: My dad had that one made back when I was still rodeoing. The other one was my grandfather's and then that one…

BONNIE PRITCHETT, REPORTER: With hands still wearing dirt from the day’s work, Martin Wall pointed to saddles resting on sawhorses in his home’s entryway. Rodeo competition was part of growing up on this Maverick County ranch about one mile from the Rio Grande and the Mexican border.

Wall is a cattle broker. He buys calves in Mexico, fattens them up, then sells them – as many as 75,000 head a year.

For generations, his family leased the semi-arid scrub land and the house built in 1874.

WALL: I dreamed my whole life of owning this place…

On May 20, 2020, that dream came true.

That night, his dream became a nightmare.

WALL: I had illegals in my kitchen. That night. And we were right here - back room. Our kids were right here sleeping…

He confronted the 4 intruders who had helped themselves to beer from his fridge.

WALL: I had a pistol in my hand. And they laughed at me. When I cocked it back they got serious and they just walked down there to my barn…

Where more were waiting.

JOHN PAUL SCHUSTER: We're on pins and needles…

That’s John Paul Schuster. He and wife, Donna, are fellow ranchers from neighboring Kinney County. He’s a realtor. Donna manages her family’s 9,000-acre ranch, which her parents cobbled together over the years.

Her day’s work used to begin before dawn.

DONNA SCHUSTER: Well, I don't do that anymore because I don't leave before daylight because I don't know who's out there…

JOHN PAUL SCHUSTER: So, that's the whole thing that's been stripped from us is what we had two years ago, just in comfort and peace…

South Texas landowners have lost more than a sense of security.

For some ranchers, their ability to earn a living off their land has been compromised. Immigrants evading capture in this region cross private property, cutting fences as they go.

WALL: Constantly cutting our fences and everything. Why? There's a gate right there? It's open. Why go right next to it and cut the wire?...

Without secure fences, Wall can’t keep many cattle on his 1,000-acre ranch. He must pay to ship and graze them on someone else’s land.

Last year repairing fences cost him $117,000… and more.

WALL: Well, my daily routine was just get up and we sort cattle, load trucks. Check cattle. I'd go to Mexico. Look at cattle. Buy more cattle. And now it's: Get up. Go check your fences. Fix everything that got tore up from the night before, till about two o'clock. And then start your day. So, you fall farther and farther and farther and farther behind…

Between Wall’s place and the river is Roberto Rodriguez’s 200-acre ranch.

RODRIGUEZ: It’s a nice piece of property to come you know, to enjoy it to go hunting, fishing. But I mean right now it's not good to be here…

His land borders a shallow spot in the river popular with human traffickers. More than once he’s witnessed hundreds of people at a time wade from Mexico onto his ranch.

Once ashore, immigrants discard wet clothes and personal possessions leaving an area so thick with debris that the ground beneath can’t be seen. Livestock that eat it can get sick or die.

RODRIGUEZ: I used to use it for hunting too – lease it. But not anymore. I mean, it's kind of dangerous right now…

Fearing an accidental shooting, Rodriguez hasn’t leased his land to hunters for two years. That’s cost him $30,000 in revenue.

RODRIGUEZ: We’re going to the south side…

He maneuvers his white pickup over a rocky, rain-rutted dirt road to the top of a steep hill. He stops and points south.

RODRIGUEZ: That’s Mexico over there. My father was from the United States. My mother was from Mexico. They got married. And then they had us, me and my brothers and he brought us over here the legal way.

His brother-in-law lives across the river in Piedras Negras. He’s been waiting five years for a visa to work in the U.S.

RODRIGUEZ: I just think it's not fair. I mean, you do it the right way. I'm not against immigrants. I'm against illegal immigrants. If you're gonna do it, do it the right way. You know, like everybody else is doing it…

Local law enforcement officials blame Washington for the immigration surge. Ending the Remain in Mexico policy and fickle application of the COVID-era Title 42 rule encourages migration, they say. And failing to secure the border from illegal entry sends a message to would-be immigrants - the border is open.

South Texas residents like Roberto Rodriquez and Martin Wall get a different message: No one cares about their plight. It’s left them frustrated. Angry.

WALL: I tell you, you get calloused. The kids? No you're not callous to them. But everything else you get pretty callous to it because they just tear up everything. There's no need to break the windows out of my tractors. Why would you do it? Just to just to break them? Just to break the windows out of my trucks? Why? And I told my wife said I don't like having a calloused heart. You know to be cold like that. But it just, I mean after a while you get tired of it…

Without relief, could his dream slip away? Could he lose the ranch?

WALL: 100 percent, if it continued. Yeah.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Bonnie Pritchett in Eagle Pass, Texas.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: Abortion legislation.

Last Tuesday, five states voted on abortion-related initiatives with disappointing results for the pro-life movement.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Michigan, California, and Vermont passed amendments that will add a right to abortion to their state constitutions.

Voters in Kentucky considered an amendment that if approved would have stated, there is no right to abortion in that state. Kentucky voters turned that down. And Montana voters rejected a measure that would require doctors to give life saving care to babies born alive during abortions.

EICHER: WORLD reporter Leah Savas attended an election night watch party in Michigan. She reports on the reaction from pro-lifers—and what went wrong.

LEAH SAVAS, REPORTER: The streets of East Lansing were alive at 10 p.m. on election night. Just down the street from Michigan State University, college students wearing cowboy hats stood in line outside of a bar playing loud music.

AUDIO: [Street]

Pairs stood chatting on the sidewalk.

But the real place to be that night was the Graduate Hotel.

Multiple election night watch parties were going on there.

Tucked away in an upstairs corner conference room with bright green carpet, a group of about 50-70 mostly younger pro-lifers watched election returns for Michigan’s Proposal 3. If approved, the amendment would add a right to abortion to the state constitution. Most of the people there were staff and volunteers with Protect Life Michigan. That group was a part of the campaign that opposed Proposal 3. Outside of election season, it's focused on educating people about abortion in cities and on college campuses. 

By 10:30, 20 percent of the votes were in. The results hovered around 55 percent yes, 45 no. For prolifers, not great so far. But the young people were still talking and laughing.

Melinda Movius: I would say all of our volunteers are just happy to be here.

That's Melinda Movius. She's a 24-year-old blonde who works as the director of operations at Protect Life Michigan.

Melinda Movius: We did everything that we could. And so no matter the outcome, we're very hopeful. And we're very grateful to have been a part of it.

Movius said she personally knocked on about 600 doors to campaign against the initiative, but that's a low number in this group. She said some knocked on thousands.

The conversations that stuck out to her the most were with people who called themselves pro-choice but saw the problems with Proposal 3. Pro-lifers warned that the amendment would allow late-term abortions in the state. It could also allow minors to get abortions or sterilizations without their parent’s consent. It could get rid of other health and safety requirements for those kinds of procedures.

Movius: It was always just such a pleasant surprise to me, to hear them say that they support abortion access, but they understood how dangerous proposal three was...

Earlier that day, I talked to people outside of a polling location in the Grand Rapids area.

Mark is a middle aged red-headed man with a beard and… wouldn't give his last name. He said he didn't have a strong opinion about abortion but that he voted against proposal three.

Mark: As a parent, I like to kind of keep the rights of parents in the house. more private. So that's kind of where my thinking was at for proposal three.

I also spoke with Barb Miller. She's a woman in her late 40s carrying a blue polka dot purse.

Miller: I'm actually pro choice. And I voted No on Prop three. And that's because there's a lot in this proposal that is tied in there, that is what I feel is a threat to parents. And a lot of people don't understand that there's 41 laws that are actually being disrupted, that are there for protections that are kind of covered up with that proposal.

Barb and Mark seemed to get the message about the dangers of Prop 3. But, votes in favor of the pro-abortion proposal maintained a steady lead throughout the night. At midnight, the Protect Life Michigan staff told the roughly 40 people still in the room that things didn’t look good. Soon after that, the pro-abortion side claimed victory. The amendment won with just under 57 percent of votes.

I talked to Movius on the phone the next morning. She said she and her teammates were in shock.

Movius: To see that so many people supported it was really disappointing to me. We worked really hard to, you know, make sure that that wouldn't happen because we know that women deserve better than proposal three, but Michigan decided that that was what they wanted.

The same thing happened in California, Vermont, Montana, and Kentucky. Votes on ballot measures in all of those state swung pro-abortion.

Kristan Hawkins is the president of Students for Life of America.

Hawkins: The people that really wanted the state referendums are usually the people who make the ads, print the signs, do all the ad buys. That's that is the sad brass tacks of safe referendums, these fights really came down to money. They came down to media power, and neither one of those things were on our side.

But last Tuesday’s pro-abortion wave doesn’t just come down to money. It’s also a problem with the voters.

Klusendorf: And I'm not at all surprised that these measures went down.

That’s Scott Klusendorf. He’s known in pro-life circles as a top pro-life apologist. He trains people to defend the position for life.

Klusendorf: Our fundamental problem right now is not the press. It's not judges. It's that the American people, by and large, do not agree with us. The worldview assumptions that make abortion plausible to millions of our fellow citizens are deeply ingrained in our deeply entrenched in culture. And they're not going to go away anytime soon.

To Klusendorf, the big takeaway in these results is that more pro-lifers need to start proclaiming the pro-life message loudly and intelligently to cut through the lies from the other side.

In our Wednesday morning phone call, Movius with Protect Life Michigan said the same thing.

Movius: But our society right now is too comfortable with the status quo, too comfortable with their, quote, unquote, right to their bodies, and, and being able to take the lives of innocent children. And so we're gonna keep having these conversations in Michigan and across the country until people understand that this is just not something that a civil society should support.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Leah Savas in Lansing and Grand Rapids, Michigan.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Well, the newest inductees into the National Toy Hall of Fame got the good news last week.

Among the finalists were Breyer Horses, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Nerf, Lite-Brite, the spinning top, bingo, and Pound Puppies.

Envelope, please. And the winners are...

AUDIO: [Drumroll]

Lite-Brite, He-Man and The Masters of the Universe, and the spinning top.

Finally, an election result in no time at all!

See, it can be done!

It’s The World and Everything in It.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Tuesday, November 15th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: surf’s up!

As far back as the 12th century, Polynesians were drawing cave pictures of people riding the waves.

When European James Cook explored the world, he came upon the lands of New Zealand and Australia and a new way to travel on water. He even wrote about surfing in his diary.

EICHER: Some surfers say that surfing is their religion. But one organization in Australia is trying to spread the word about the real deal. Here’s WORLD Correspondent Amy Lewis.

AUDIO: [WAVES]

WALKER: Living on the Gold Coast, all my mates were surfers.

AMY LEWIS, REPORTER: Josiah Walker grew up five minutes from the beach on the Gold Coast of Queensland, Australia. Walker has a ready smile and bleached blond curls. His blue eyes are bright behind round-framed glasses.

WALKER: My family surfed. My dad surfed. My brothers surfed.

But Walker didn’t surf. He had a bad experience with it at age 11, and just enjoyed computers more than the beach. So, instead of the waves, he chose to take to the skies. He trained to be a commercial pilot after high school.

Three weeks before his aviation training ended…

WALKER: It was a Saturday. I had just had a big week of flying, and I was pretty just like, ah, I just need to have some fun. And my best mate and another friend of ours, going on the beach. So that’s when I was like, alright. I’ll do it.

That was all it took. Walker started surfing regularly. Until he had to isolate because of COVID. Then he started wondering what he should do with the next year of his life.

WALKER: And then it sort of hit me. Oh, there's this thing called CSALT…

That’s the acronym for Christian Surfers Australia Leadership Training.

WALKER: I was, yeah, kind of at a point that I felt pretty stagnant, where I just wasn't moving forward in my faith. And I was like, I think it's time to take a leap.

AUDIO: [CSALT students]

Christian Surfers got its start 45 years ago out of the Sydney surfing culture.

VAN BOXTEL: Surf culture is pretty, it's a tough culture...

That’s Stefan van Boxtel, he’s a teacher for CSALT.

VAN BOXTEL: And it's an identity in itself and a couple of guys feeling that to be a surfer and to be a Christian can't coexist. And so they wanted to break that, break that expectation. And so started to bring, you know, their faith into surfing and were really deliberate about that.

The goal of Christian Surfers is to bring Jesus to those in the beach culture. Since 1977, they have spread to include groups in more than 30 countries. But they’re still strong in Australia.

PROMO: Australians are more likely to surf than attend church regularly.

There are plenty of Australian surfers. At least 2.5 million of them.

VAN BOXTEL: You got to be a pretty relaxed kind person. And it's just generally a good vibe. It's fun. It's just in the moment.

But evangelizing in a surf culture has challenges like any other ministry.

VAN BOXTEL: Surf culture, historically, is a bit standoffish. And so you can't just get in someone's face. And you know. So you've got to build a relationship, and you've got to be present…you've got to show that you, you legitimately care, I guess.

AUDIO: [OCEAN SOUND]

Christian Surfers runs the leadership classes at a YMCA camp on Phillip Island, just off Australia’s southern coast. Van Boxtel lives onsite, and teaches practical theology to the young adults who attend. An hour of worship and devotions start each two-hour class Monday through Thursday. It leaves time for ministry and surfing.

Josiah Walker—the surfing pilot—is sitting on a blue couch on a wide covered porch. He says it’s the best place to study and meet with his classmates—who double as his surfing buddies and roommates here.

WALKER: So it's essentially the basics of everything in ministry. So from leading a small group to leading like a youth group sort of scenario to just like, overall knowledge on the Bible and how to interpret it in a, in a proper sense, rather than just sort of reading it at face value.

By the end of his year-long studies, he’ll earn a certificate in Christian ministry and be a better surfer.

Van Boxtel says struggles are what bring change.

VAN BOXTEL: So with our CSALT students who want to spend some time finding a little more about their faith and their role. It's a vulnerable state to put themselves in and you can see someone bloom and just become become who, who I think they're created to be, that's so special to literally see that happen in front of you.

AUDIO: [OCEAN SOUND]

The classes have two goals: To disciple surfers in their faith. And to help them reach out to surfers who don’t yet follow Jesus. Like kids who surf, called ‘groms.’

VAN BOXTEL: So for instance, last night, we had the groms, the local groms come meet here on site. They went down to one of the beaches, surfed with all of our kind of young adults, came back and had ‘em for a barbecue and a game or something…It's like a youth group for surfers.

Surfing competitions are another fruitful opportunity for ministry. Like at the recent Pro QS1000 competition.

VAN BOXTEL: And so one of our, one of our CSALT boys was, he's pretty keen to build relationships with Surfing Victoria. So he's, he was down there. He's got drinks and baked a bunch and just wanted to feed the judges and the competitors.

Josiah Walker is trying to figure out which community God is leading him to when he finishes classes.

WALKER: It could eventually go into mission work for aviation, because that's obviously one day what I'd love to go into. But at the same time, yeah, I'm looking more towards being able to lead in Christian Surfers, like, mission. So that could be back home at the Gold Coast…

AUDIO: [OCEAN SOUND]

Van Boxtel says surfers identify as surfers. It’s who they are. He wants to encourage them to find a new identity.

VAN BOXTEL: …and to become a Christian surfer is really easy. It's just your identity. It's finding Christ and in such a way that you can't help but share it with someone else. And we want to help you find that place so that you carry that into your community.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Amy Lewis on Phillip Island, Australia.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Tuesday, November 15th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Last Tuesday, WORLD commentator Whitney Williams shared a remarkable story of God’s grace in response to prayer. Wasn’t that good?

REICHARD: Such a salve to the soul.

EICHER: The response from listeners has been encouraging and somewhat overwhelming.

REICHARD: One example came from Kathy Sherwood who wrote in to say she was in tears after listening to the story. She said, “What a great reminder of the goodness of God!”

EICHER: That’s just one of many kind notes that’ve come in and Whitney wanted to take a moment here to reflect on all of that.

WHITNEY WILLIAMS, COMMENTATOR: Last week I got vulnerable on this podcast, telling a story of parental heartache and desperation, of wrestling with God through anger and anguish, and of God answering me with incredible mercy. After the piece aired, I received a flurry of positive feedback about how God was using me.

To be on the receiving end of such praise, well, I’m not gonna lie. It felt good! Most of all, I was amazed to hear the Lord used my words to encourage others to pray. Me, of all people? Not that I’m writing for man’s approval, but I can be very hard on myself, so the outpouring of encouragement was a true gift from the Lord. “They like me. They really like me!” I thought.

Then I moved my couch.

“Oh … my …”

The mess underneath could have gagged a maggot.

“If these listeners only knew …” I thought to myself, as I tightened the strings of my robe, tucked my unkempt hair behind my ears, and walked to the laundry room to get my handheld vacuum.

“If they only knew about the mess this podcast writer has underneath …”

“If they only knew about my college days … That I don’t read my Bible like I should … That at times I struggle with doubt, questions …”

If they only knew that God uses people like THAT: People who don’t always have perfect grammar. People who tend to jump first and think later. If they only knew that God uses people who are sometimes short with their kids, people who disrespect their spouse at times; the uneducated; people who struggle with worry, vanity, sadness.

If they only knew that God uses people like that, people who don’t always get it right. People like me.

“But I have a feeling that most of our listenership DOES know … they already know about this grace,” I pinged Paul Butler, our executive producer, in the heat of my brainstorming …

“We may know grace,” he typed back, “but it’s kinda like love … We need to hear it expressed often.”

His statement certainly rang true for me. I often forget the work of Jesus Christ on my behalf.

So what then? What makes me qualified for His high calling? What makes you qualified when your spirit is willing, but your flesh is tired and weak, as was the case with Jesus’ disciples in the garden of Gethsemane? What makes you qualified when you have a thorn in your side and a messenger of Satan is constantly harassing you, as was the case with Paul? When you’re too old like Abraham, too young like Jeremiah, a divorcee like the Samaritan woman, a prostitute like Rahab? What makes you qualified when you’ve cheated like Jacob, lusted and murdered like God’s friend David; when you’ve run like Jonah, or struggle with fear like Gideon?

Simply this, listener: God’s grace. God’s grace is sufficient for you, for His power is made perfect in weakness.

Off to dust bust…

AUDIO: [VACUUM CLEANER]

I’m Whitney Williams.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: Florida and the GOP.

Also, WORLD Tour.

Plus, hiking in the footsteps of history. We’ll meet a man retracing an ancient route of invasion, this time with no elephant.

That and more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

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