The World and Everything in It: May 8, 2026

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Today on Legal Docket, the Supreme Court handed federal agencies an important victory—but only on the Court’s terms. A case involving two telecom giants and a regulator explains why:

JOLLY:…they received a letter  from the FCC saying, “you better pay this or else.” That's the question. What is the “or else?”

NICK EICHER, HOST: Later, a legal theme on the WORLD History Book.

AUDIO: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

The 60th anniversary of Miranda rights.

And, the Monday Moneybeat with David Bahsen. 

REICHARD: It’s Monday, June 8th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. 

I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Time for news. Here’s Mark Mellinger.

MARK MELLINGER, NEWS ANCHOR: Iran fires missiles at Israel » Iran launched missiles at Israel Sunday, the first time it’s done that since a ceasefire took effect in early April.

SOUND: Missiles firing

Israel says its military intercepted the missiles.

Tehran had warned of retaliation after Israel struck Beirut’s southern suburbs earlier in the day. Israel says that strike was retaliation for the Iran-backed terror group Hezbollah firing into northern Israel.

Israeli Defense Forces spokesman Effie Defrin, translated through an interpreter:

DEFRIN: The regime is attempting to create a new equation by carrying out direct fire toward our territory in response to IDF strikes in Dahieh. We will not allow this.

He went on to say Israel will intensify its operations against Hezbollah throughout Lebanon.

A U.S. official says President Trump has called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and urged him not to immediately retaliate for the Iranian missile attacks.

Iran has threatened that Israeli attacks on Hezbollah could end the ceasefire and renew full-scale war against the U.S. and Israel.

Trump defends Iran war, storms off from NBC interview » Meantime, President Trump is playing defense with the news media, insisting the Iran War does not violate his campaign refrain of “no new wars.”

Trump told NBC’s Meet the Press he didn’t guarantee there would be no new wars if he retook the White House. He went on to say the conflict in Iran is not an endless war, and that he’s doing the U.S. and the world a service because he had to stop Iran from having a nuclear weapon.

Trump ended the taped interview abruptly and stormed off when anchor Kristen Welker pushed back on the president’s claims of fraud in California’s elections.

TRUMP: Your elections are crooked and you're crooked and Meet the Press is crooked and so is ABC and CBS and CNN. You're one-sided crooked networks. Let's call it quits because I've had enough. Thank you, darling. Have a good time.

Late-counted mail-in ballots have eaten into the vote totals for the candidates Trump’s supporting for California governor and L.A. mayor, putting their chances of making a runoff election in the fall at risk.

The top federal prosecutor in L.A. has opened several election fraud investigations.

Hegseth criticized for D-Day immigration comments » Pentagon Chief Pete Hegseth used a D-Day speech at the Normandy-American Cemetery in France over the weekend to blast European countries’ approach to immigration.

HEGSETH: Sadly today, different European beaches are stormed by different dangerous ideologies… boats and men arrive. When will European capitals do something about that invasion?

Those remarks are drawing criticism, including from Texas Republican Congressman Michael McCaul on ABC’s This Week.

McCAUL: There's a time and a place for these issues of immigration. That was not the day, not the anniversary of D-Day. I think out of respect to the veterans… those remarks were out of place.

McCaul, who is the son of a D-Day veteran, says Hegseth should’ve stuck to honoring Allied troops’ service and sacrifice against Nazi Germany.

Zelenskyy meets with leaders of France, Germany, Britain » Leaders of the U.K., France, and Germany say there’s an urgent need to ramp up weapons production to help Ukraine fend off Russian attacks.

Those comments came after the top leaders of all three countries met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in London this weekend.

Ukraine and Russia continue to trade attacks after Russian leader Vladimir Putin rejected a letter from Zelenskyy, offering a face-to-face meeting. Ukraine Ambassador to the U.S. Olga Stefanishyna tells Fox’s The Sunday Briefing:

STEFANISHYNA: This letter from my president shows that actually, we’re committed to resolution, but we’re not lagging behind while the war’s still raging on. We’re scaling up our capacity to defend ourselves.

The war in Iran has contributed to the reduction and delay of U.S. weapons shipments to Ukraine. Ukraine’s shortage of air defense systems has left civilians vulnerable to stepped-up ballistic missile attacks from Russia.

ICE/CBP funding bill before the House after Senate passage » The Senate Friday passed a bill funding Immigration and Customs Enforcement -ICE- and the Border Patrol.

Now, it’s the House’s move, and Tennessee Republican Senator Marsha Blackburn has a message for her colleagues there.

BLACKBURN: Get it to President Trump’s desk, so we can make certain that communities are safe.

Blackburn talking to Fox News.

Senators used the special fast-track procedure known as reconciliation to pass the bill. That process allows certain legislation to pass with a simple majority vote rather than meeting the typical 60-vote threshold needed to clear a filibuster.

Passage of the bill was delayed because of bipartisan concerns over a special fund, meant to compensate people who claimed they were wrongly targeted by the Biden Justice Department. The Trump Administration ended up scrapping the fund.

Lawsuit aims to stop White House UFC fight » A new lawsuit aims to stop the UFC fights planned on the White House South Lawn as part of the nation’s 250th anniversary celebrations.

The fights are scheduled for Sunday, and construction of the Octagon-shaped cage and 5,000-seat arena is already well underway.

Over the weekend, a group called the Public Integrity Project filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of two people who live in Virginia, claiming the White House violated federal regulations and procedures when it authorized the event, including a National Park Service prohibition of sporting events on federal parklands.

The Trump Administration calls the lawsuit obstructionist, baseless, and dilatory, saying the UFC fights are no different than various other White House-hosted events on the South Lawn.

I'm Mark Mellinger.

Coming up, David Bahnsen will be here for the Monday Moneybeat. Plus, how Miranda Rights became a part of American law and culture.

This is The World and Everything in It.

NICK EICHER, HOST: It’s The World and Everything in It for this 8th day of June, 2026. Thanks for joining us today! Good morning! I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. It’s time for Legal Docket.

The Court has spent the last several years clipping the wings of federal agencies.

So last week's decisions may have surprised some court watchers.

In two unanimous rulings, the justices sided with regulators at the FCC and the Securities and Exchange Commission.

But these weren't reversals of the Court's recent direction. Instead, the decisions help define where the constitutional limits on agency power actually are.

One of those cases involved more than $100 million in FCC fines against two telecom giants.

EICHER: It was the consolidated case of Federal Communications Commission v AT&T and Verizon.

The FCC had proposed the fines against the companies for allegedly mismanaging customer location data. The agency did that without a jury trial. Instead, relying on its own internal administrative process to impose penalties.

REICHARD: I spoke to Richard Jolly, professor at Southwestern Law School in Los Angeles. He has expertise in administrative law in connection to the Seventh Amendment right to a jury.

He gives some more background to this case:

JOLLY: … an administrative tribunal decided that both Verizon and ATT had violated the law and imposed fines of forty-seven million and fifty-seven million dollars respectively. ATT and Verizon were none too happy about this. But they received in the mail a letter, essentially, from the FCC saying, “you better pay this or else.” That's the question. What is the “or else?” On that form it said, “you need to pay this under penalty of law,” but like, kind of in little letters, it said, “or you can choose to go to a court and have a jury trial on these matters.” However, until recently, no one thought you could actually bring this type of thing in a district court before a jury.

Those “little letters” turn out to be why the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC’s lack of a jury trial passed constitutional muster.

JOLLY: If Verizon and if ATT had chosen to do so, they could have gone to court, they could have gotten a jury trial, and the jury would have been responsible for not just determining whether there was liability, but how much liability. That is, the actual damages. The decision that the FCC made, completely irrelevant.

EICHER: Again, the Court has lately been reining in the so-called administrative state.

In 2024, the justices threw out the Chevron doctrine, ending a rule that had been in place 40 years requiring judges to defer to an agency’s interpretation of an ambiguous law.

Without Chevron, agencies no longer get the benefit of the doubt when a law is vague. Courts decide.

Then, in another case known as SEC v. Jarkesy, the Court ruled that when an agency seeks civil penalties for fraud, the Seventh Amendment entitles the defendant to a jury trial.

REICHARD: So that raises an obvious question: if the Court required a jury trial in Jarkesy, why did the FCC prevail here?

I put question that to Professor Jolly:

JOLLY: …so the difference between FCC and Jarkesy is what effect the administrative tribunal determination actually has. Under Jarkesy, the SEC's decision was itself enforceable, automatically. Jarkesy had no right to go before an Article III court to enforce it. FCC is different. Under FCC, the court is saying you could have gone to a tribunal, an Article III tribunal before a jury whenever you wanted. You chose not to, and that's why you had to pay.

EICHER: Justice Thomas issued a lone dissent. He thought the FCC created a false impression that its internal tribunals could levy massive fines without a jury, something corporations perceive as coercive enough to make them pay.

Still, Jolly doesn’t see the court’s recent take down of the administrative state as wholesale.

JOLLY: I think what we are seeing is a Supreme Court that has finally rediscovered the Seventh Amendment. They are ….taking seriously again that the jury trial protections …apply …When the government wants to enforce a penalty against you, a monetary penalty, whether you're an individual or a huge corporation. They've gotta give you a jury trial right, not just to find fault, but to find the actual damages.

REICHARD: And practically speaking, Jolly says this case is an oddball:

JOLLY: …Most regulated entities will have no interest in fighting the FCC. Verizon and ATT did because the damages were $50 million. The average fine imposed by the FCC, it's a thousand bucks, five thousand, ten thousand dollars, two hundred and fifty thousand would be a big one, right? We're talking about fifty million dollars! Of course, ATT and Verizon are gonna fight that before a jury trial. The average regulated entity will just pay the fine and move on. This isn't about collapsing regulated entities and it’s certainly not gonna render the FCC impotent in this area.

Back during oral argument in April, Chief Justice John Roberts intimated what he thought the telecoms were really worried about:

ROBERTS: Counsel, I wonder if, though, at the end of the day, you're really just talking about a PR problem, right?

So, for now, the fines stand but the telecoms return to the lower courts to hash out things such as whether the FCC’s findings were arbitrary and capricious or otherwise unsupported. And, if these companies face FCC fines in the future, they can just refuse to pay. Here, they paid the fines and then sued. No need for that going forward.

EICHER: Another big win for a federal agency, Sripetch v The Securities and Exchange Commission. The question here is whether the SEC can force a stock manipulator to give up ill-gotten gains without proving exactly how much money each victim lost.

The background: The SEC ordered a man named Ongkaruck Sripetch to pay more than $3 million in illicit profits from his scheme to manipulate stock. But he argued the agency lacked authority to seize that money because it failed to prove specific dollar losses to individual victims.

REICHARD: Without that direct link, he argued, the government wasn’t restoring any victims; it’s just enriching itself by punishing him.

You can hear the incredulity to that argument from Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson during oral argument in April:

JACKSON: Why is it a punishment if we're not taking anything more from the defendant than he unlawfully gained? Other words, I could see a fine or a punishment if the defendant is actually paying out of his pocket some money that was rightfully his. That's a punishment. But, if we're just disgorging his ill-gotten gains, I guess I'm not sure I understand why that's a punishment. It's depriving him of money he didn't have, that was never his.

EICHER: Justice Sonia Sotomayor put it another way, focusing on fraud:

SOTOMAYOR: The whole idea behind lost profits is you took my money and you made money from it. You're not entitled to that because you invaded my right to have that money, and maybe I wasn't as smart as you or as corrupt as you, and I didn't make that money, but you took it from me.

A ruling for Sripetch would’ve really curtailed federal enforcement. But all nine justices weighed the limits on federal enforcement authority and came out firmly on the side of the agency.

REICHARD: However, Justice Thomas wrote a concurrence that highlighted a big time Seventh Amendment (right to a jury trial) loophole. 

Here’s law professor Jolly again:

JOLLY: Justice Thomas here is suggesting that disgorgement has no common law analog, and that Congress seems to have been treating it differently anyways, from other forms of equitable relief, that disgorgement would entitle you to a jury trial. This is interesting because put these two cases together that were decided on the same day, it suggests that some of the most powerful tools that the SEC or the FCC or other administrative agencies have might start being subjected to jury determinations.

Meaning, Justice Thomas’ concurrence could well tip off lawyers to test whether the SEC’s enforcement tools will be put to a jury.

EICHER: One final unanimous decision from Thursday involved a very different corner of the law. The ruling protects cheaper generic drugs from expensive patent litigation.

REICHARD: The conflict in Hikma Pharmaceuticals v Amarin Pharma, centers on Hikma’s generic version of a heart disease medication. Amarin holds the patent for certain uses of the drug. It says Hikma induced patent infringement because doctors and pharmacists prescribed and dispensed the generic for Amarin’s patented uses.

EICHER: But the high court disagreed, concluding the evidence only shows passive awareness of infringement rather than active encouragement of it. The generic drug maker ought not be held liable for how third parties use its product without proof of affirmative steps to promote infringement.

Deputy Solicitor General Malcolm Stewart had the winning argument in support of the generic maker back in April:

STEWART: If you sell something that can be used either in an infringing or a non-infringing way, then you still won’t be held liable for others’ infringement unless you’ve actively encouraged them to infringe.

SOTOMAYOR: That’s the bottom line, correct?

REICHARD: We expect more decisions this week, with 23 merits case rulings left. If the Court wants to wrap up by the end of the month, it’s going to have to get aggressive. And those remaining cases are among the most closely watched of the term: birthright citizenship; the fate of Haitian and Syrians in the U.S. under the Temporary Protected Status Program for the last decade and a half, mail-in ballots, men in women’s sports, and more.

And that’s this week’s Legal Docket!

EICHER: Before we leave Legal Docket, a quick trip behind the scenes.

Mary has a way of making these Supreme Court cases sound more straightforward than they are. They're not.

What you heard today represents days of reading opinions, talking with legal experts, sorting through competing arguments, and then boiling all of that down into just a few minutes of radio. Oh, that and three years of law school.

That's the kind of work WORLD does week after week.

And if you value that kind of reporting and analysis, we'd be grateful for your support during our June Giving Drive. WNG.org/donate.

And Mary, thanks for doing the hard part so the rest of us can keep up.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It:

The Monday Moneybeat.

NICK EICHER, HOST: It’s time now to talk business, markets, and the economy with financial analyst and advisor David Bahnsen. David heads up the wealth management firm the Bahnsen Group, and he is here now. Good morning to you.

DAVID BAHNSEN: Well, good morning, Nick. Good to be with you.

EICHER: Well, David, the jobs report came in: employers in the month of May adding 172,000 jobs, a lot more than expected. Unemployment holding at that 4.3% number.

But then also the previous two months—and we had talked about this last month in April—that the jobs numbers seemed a bit high and might need to be revised down. They were revised up in this latest report.

So now March, April, and now May: three pretty decent months. What do you say is the story of the report, David?

BAHNSEN: Well, that is the story, that it was three pretty decent months, and I think that we want to be very careful.

They weren’t great, but they were better than expected, and that is a good thing. The direction is all positive.

The negatives are that wages are not growing, and that the labor participation rate is at 61.8%. It remains very, very low. But of course, that’s a longer-term story that we’ve talked about a lot here at Moneybeat.

The encouraging sign is that the low amount of hirings of 2025 has not turned into elevated firings in 2026.

EICHER: Last week you said you wanted a Federal Reserve that is independent not only of political pressure but also of bad economic assumptions.

After Friday’s jobs report, I did notice a lot of the commentary and a lot of the reporting seemed to assume that stronger hiring means more inflation risk and therefore fewer rate cuts coming from the Fed.

Is that necessarily the case, or do you think investors are confusing stronger growth with higher inflation?

BAHNSEN: Yeah, but let’s be clear that what’s going on: the short-term rate did not go higher on the good news of better jobs Friday, and that’s the only rate the Fed can control.

What went higher is the longer-term rate, the 10-year bond yield.

But I just have to remind people, because I don’t think there’s anything more important to understand in financial markets than this: the 10-year bond yield is a measurement of expectations of nominal growth, nominal GDP.

I don’t care about the 10-year bond yield going higher if it is for non-inflationary reasons—real growth.

That’s where Kevin Warsh, I think, is going to help us at the Fed, because he does not believe this Phillips Curve nonsense that growth is inherently inflationary.

Having a slightly higher long-term bond yield because real growth expectations are higher, but not because inflationary expectations are higher, would be a good thing.

Now, I’m not saying that’s what is going to end up happening. There is a long way to go to figure out where a lot of these things are going to play out.

So I think what you saw Friday was not a big surprise, and it was not across the whole stock market. It was a rotation out of the very excessively priced areas of the market into more defensive and stable parts of the market.

EICHER: You wrote something unusual this week for Dividend Cafe: a commencement address.

But more than that, I think a pretty direct challenge for this graduating class.

You take on one of the most common assumptions in our culture for young people: that young people are inheriting a future that has fewer opportunities and an economy that’s stacked against them.

We hear politicians use those very words, from housing costs to student debt to AI.

Why do you think that negative message has become so dominant? And while I know you don’t believe that it’s true, why is it not true?

BAHNSEN: The reason it’s become dominant is because it is simply a symptomatic element of the entire narrative of today’s culture, which is some element of victimhood, some element of leading with alleged disadvantages.

We celebrate this whole idea of being a victim somewhere, somehow, and it is at the heart of so much of cultural theory these days.

The reality, Nick, is that you can argue there are certain elements that are harder today and many other elements that are better than they’ve ever been.

But I also think that you have to look at the total picture.

I am critical of our student loan system and our college funding model. But I also would argue that many people would have given anything to be born into young adult life with 4% unemployment and with a $30 trillion-size economy.

So there’s a give and take to all of this.

But those are macro things that have nothing to do with Billy, Debbie, Tommy, Katie—individual people.

What individual people have to do is completely different than the way we measure the aggregates.

What individual people have to do is say, well, there’s some headwinds out there and there’s some tailwinds out there, and what am I going to do with those things?

I think the problem with these doom-and-gloom narratives is that they take people away from what they need to do: individual agency.

They give people a preemptive excuse for why things are just too difficult—that house prices are too high, or that student debt is too high, or whatnot.

I do believe house prices are too high. I do believe that a lot of people’s college education was a rip-off.

There are various things out there folks could focus on.

I do not think any of those things, though, have anything to do with the real conversation, which is what an individual does when they get out of bed in the morning.

What that person does has to be individual to their own agency and their calling for them to go live out a life of meaning and purpose.

EICHER: It wouldn’t be a proper commencement address these days if you didn’t mention AI.

A lot of young people hear that artificial intelligence is going to transform the economy in ways that we can barely imagine.

But what is the difference between acknowledging a disruption to come and assuming that that disruption means fewer opportunities for human flourishing?

BAHNSEN: The macro here is that we have to understand that anything AI is doing to meet needs is opening up a new need to be met.

There is this perpetual process of human needs being met, and then it might close one door and open up another.

It’s very hard for a person in their given situation to see that, because when they’re the one with the door closing, that’s all they’re feeling and seeing, and they’re not seeing the other door that is opening.

AI is going to eliminate some jobs. It’s going to create other jobs.

That is not only the testimony of history, it’s what we’re seeing play out right now.

There’s a huge increase in opportunities for software engineers right now. Everyone predicted the opposite, but that’s going to play out.

I believe that people need to be informed by history, but also by anthropology.

What I mean by that is what we know as Christians about how the human person works.

If you understand that human needs are infinite, therefore the work that can be done for humans is infinite, you should carry with you a greater hope and optimism for where AI is going to take things as far as it pertains to your opportunity.

EICHER: You closed your remarks by saying that throughout your life you have encountered two kinds of people: builders and destroyers.

Now, to be fair, there are things in this world that deserve to be criticized, if not ripped down. Journalism is built on criticism. Markets need critics. Institutions sometimes need reformers.

So what is the difference between healthy criticism and the kind of tearing-down mentality that you’re warning against here?

What habits or attitudes tend to separate the people who build from those who spend most of their time dismantling?

BAHNSEN: Well, I do stand very much behind it.

I wish that there was sort of this third camp of people that were just spectators, but that’s not been my experience.

I think that ultimately, with varying degrees of effectiveness, most people are either builders or destroyers.

I feel very strongly that God called us to be builders.

Another word we can use in Christian vocabulary is God called us to be creators.

What are the habits that separate the two?

The number one thing that when I see someone who’s a destroyer is that they are driven by negativity. They’re driven by covetousness, by bitterness, by the various things that are associated with poor character.

Builders are driven by the elements of good character—wanting to do things that meet the needs of humanity, wanting to create new goods and services, institutions, organizations.

I think when you talk about healthy criticism, one can be critical of an institution, and we all know that there are many institutions worthy of being criticized.

But to leave it there, or to leave it with, therefore, let’s destroy all institutions, is one of the most unhealthy marks of this age.

Builders want to create new institutions, or builders want to go reform institutions that are needed.

Leading reform builders, in other words, have a creative and a productive mandate and driver, where destroyers are basically, I think, primarily driven by bitterness and envy.

People have to sort through those things in their own lives.

But what I would say to the builders and those who want to be builders is it’s very difficult to be a builder if you allow an awful lot of destroyers in your vicinity.

Builders beget builders, and we all need to build together.

It’s part of what a healthy Christian community needs to look like.

EICHER: Well, David, I always enjoy reading and listening to commencement addresses. There are good ones, there are bad ones, and David, I thought yours this year was exceptional.

It is available online on YouTube and at DividendCafe-dot-com, and we’ll place links (YT | DC) in today’s transcript.

David Bahnsen, founder, managing partner, and chief investment officer of The Bahnsen Group. David writes at DividendCafe.com and at WORLD Opinions.

Thanks so much. We’ll see you next week.

BAHNSEN: Thank you very much, Nick. Really appreciate it.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

Up next: The World History Book.

This month marks the 60th anniversary of the Supreme Court case that gave Americans their so-called “Miranda Rights.”

That list of rights so frequently heard but rarely taken advantage of.

WORLD’s Mary Muncy reports.

MARY MUNCY: You don’t have to be a police officer to have the Miranda Rights memorized.

PSYCH: You have the right to remain silent.

BLUE BLOODS: Anything you do say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

BROOKLYN 99: You have the right to an attorney.

LAW & ORDER: If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you at no cost.

When officers make an arrest, they have to make sure a suspect understands these rights before they can start questioning them. It comes from a longstanding tradition of voluntary confessions.

GEORGE THOMAS: We can go all the way back to Roman law.

George Thomas is a law professor at Rutgers University.

THOMAS: Even then it was not permitted to use an involuntary confession in a criminal case.

They believed that any confession obtained through coercion, physical or psychological, may not be the truth.

But “coercion” is hard to define.

THOMAS: I mean, there are obvious cases. There's a Mississippi case from the 1930s where they actually tortured confessions out of these black suspects. That's easy. But as you get away from torture, and police, of course, learn to do very sort of tricky kinds of interrogations, it became very difficult to decide what really is involuntary.

So, between the late 1940s and 1966, the Supreme Court heard about one case a year questioning whether a tactic should be considered “coercive.” Things like physical abuse, non-stop interrogations lasting over 36 hours, and threatening a suspect’s friends and family.

Then, in 1966, the Court heard Miranda v. Arizona.

JOHN J FLYNN: Mr. Chief Justice, may it please the court. This case concerned itself with the conviction of a defendant of two crimes of rape and kidnapping.

In 1963, police arrested Ernesto Miranda in Arizona and interrogated him for two hours. He signed a written confession that prosecutors used to convict him. But Miranda said his confession was involuntary because he wasn’t informed of his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself or his Sixth Amendment right to an attorney.

So Miranda’s case became one of four consolidated cases that attorney John Flynn brought to the Court.

JOHN J FLYNN: A person in Ernesto Miranda's position needs the benefit of counsel, and unless he is afforded that right to counsel he simply has, in essence, no Fifth or Sixth Amendment right, and there is no due process of law being afforded to a man in Ernest Miranda's position.

Eve Primus is a professor at the University of Michigan Law School. She says that around this time, the court was heading into what’s known as the “incorporation era.”

EVE PRIMUS: When the United States Supreme Court starts to say things like, you know the First Amendment right to free speech? That applies to the states too.

So, the court was already considering how to apply the amendments broadly and for this case, the court reviewed police manuals with interrogation tactics.

PRIMUS: There were analogies to like ‘you are a hunter,’ right, ‘pursuing your prey,’ and the entire goal of the interrogation was to get a confession. The Supreme Court was really bothered by this approach to interrogation because the entire point of it is to subject the will of the suspect to the examiner, to break them down until they say what the examiner wants to hear.

Not necessarily until they tell the truth.

So the court decided they needed to give some control back to the suspect.

PRIMUS: That's where the Miranda warnings came in.

LAW AND ORDER: You have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney, anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law.

With a 5-4 decision, they baked them into our legal system and made them a cultural touchpoint.

LAW AND ORDER: Just come away with us. Don't make me have to cuff you and read you your rights in front of your kids.

SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO: You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to an attorney. You have the right to be dead.

21 JUMP STREET: The department was forced to drop the charges because you forgot to read him his Miranda rights.

The effects off the screen have been controversial.

PRIMUS: Having the Supreme Court come in and say, this is inherently problematic and you have to do something to fix it is symbolically really important.

Primus thinks police powers have largely grown since the 1966 ruling. But she says there’s still power in the police reminding themselves that a suspect has rights and in a suspect having that information—even if most suspects don’t use it.

PRIMUS: Upwards of 80 or 90 percent of people, waive their Miranda rights and agree to speak with the police.

There are differing views on why.

Professor Thomas thinks most suspects assume it makes them look guilty when they don’t speak to the police.

On the other hand, Primus says it’s because there is still a power gap.

PRIMUS: If you are ever in an interrogation environment and you want the interrogation to stop, the law on that is really clear that you have to quite clearly and unambiguously say, “I want a lawyer.” If you say maybe I should talk to a lawyer, would it be a good idea for me to speak to a lawyer? That's not clear enough.

But as soon as a suspect says those magic words, police must stop the interrogation until the lawyer arrives.

Some of the four dissenters said the opinion legislated from the bench, while others said that not everyone who is taken into custody and questioned is in an inherently compulsive environment. Nevertheless, subsequent courts have continued to uphold that ruling—even as they continue to interpret police powers.

In 2000, the Court considered a Congressional law that sought to overturn Miranda. Thomas says Chief Justice William Rehnquist had wanted to overturn the ruling since he joined the bench. He thought it restricted law enforcement in a way that isn’t outlined in the Constitution. But ultimately, Rehnquist voted with the majority to uphold it. He seemed to think overturning it would have caused instability.

WILLIAM REHNQUIST: The fact that our post Miranda cases have made exceptions from its rule does not demonstrate that Miranda was not a constitutional decision. These decisions illustrate the principle not that Miranda is not a constitutional rule, but that no constitutional rule is immutable.

That’s this week’s History Book. I’m Mary Muncy.

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Tomorrow: Qatar has a massive financial footprint in the U.S. We’ll talk about it with an expert. 

And, inside a cross-country traveling exhibition to commemorate America’s semiquincentennial. That and more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

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