The World and Everything in It: May 7, 2026

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MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

Wildfires sweep through parts of the South.

MICKOLAY: These trees have already been so stressed from drought that they might not survive still. 

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: We’ll have a report.

Also, a rise in forced marriages involving children in Pakistan.

And what it’s like for Jewish believers to practice their faith in Jerusalem.

SAADA: It's easier for them to accept Christians. But if you're a Messianic Jew, then you're considered a traitor.

And WORLD Commentator Cal Thomas on hard choices that come with overspending.

REICHARD: It’s Thursday, May 7th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. 

I’m Mary Reichard.

BROWN: And I’m Myrna Brown. Good morning!

REICHARD: Up next, Kent Covington with today’s news.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Iran: peace talks update » President Trump says a deal to end the war with Iran could come within a week.

The White House sent Iran a new peace proposal this week. Trump told White House reporters:

TRUMP: They wanna make a deal. We've had very good talks over the last 24 hours, and it's very possible that we'll make a deal.

The proposal calls on Iran to give up its nuclear weapons program, which Iranian leaders previously refused to do. But the president says:

TRUMP: Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and they won't. And they've agreed to that, among other things.

Teheran says it's still reviewing the US proposal.

If a deal does come together, Trump's UN ambassador Mike Waltz says the US won’t merely be taking Iran’s word for anything.

WALTZ: It's going to be inspect and verify. There will be no trust involved, uh, there in making sure another UN agency, the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, can get its inspectors in and inspect anytime.

The ceasefire was holding Wednesday, even as a U.S .Navy fighter jet fired on and disabled an Iranian-flagged oil tanker — the latest vessel to defy the US blockade.

Tehran is also pushing to charge tolls on ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz — a demand Washington and London reject. Trump warned that without a deal, the bombing of Iran will resume even more intensely than before.

Lutnick testimony » Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick faced lawmakers Wednesday to answer questions about ties to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Lutnick spent nearly four hours behind closed doors with the House Oversight Committee.

Republican Chairman James Comer:

COMER: Right off the bat, he corrected his statement on the time that he, he came to the island.

Lutnick previously claimed he cut ties with Epstein in 2005. But he told the committee Wednesday he met Epstein three times — including in 2012 on Epstein's now-infamous island. Though, Lutnick noted he was there with his wife and kids.

The Epstein files document contact between the two through 2018.

Some Democrats called Lutnick evasive and demanded he resign.

Ukraine update » In Ukraine:

SOUND: [Kindergarten attack]

Firefighters douse flames as rescuers search rubble for survivors after the latest Russian drone attack. WORLD’s Benjamin Eicher reports:

BENJAMIN EICHER: The drone attack struck a kindergarten classroom in the northeastern Ukrainian city of Sumy [SOO-mih] Wednesday.

Officials say at least two people were killed and seven people were injured. But no children were inside during the strike.

ZELENSKYY: [Speaking Ukrainian]

EICHER: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Russian attacks like these fly in the face of a unilateral ceasefire declared by Ukraine. He further promises that Ukraine will act in kind.

Meanwhile...an ominous warning from Moscow…

SPOKESPERSON: [Speaking Russian]

EICHER: ...this Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman is telling all diplomatic missions to evacuate staff from Kyiv...in the event of a future Russian mass strike against Ukraine's capital.

Moscow says that could come...in response to alleged Ukrainian threats to disrupt weekend commemorations … of Russia's World War II victory against Nazi Germany.

For WORLD, I’m Benjamin Eicher.

Rubio-pope meeting preview » Secretary of State Marco Rubio is at the Vatican today.

Rubio is sitting down with the first American-born pontiff, Pope Leo XIV in Rome after weeks of friction between the White House and the Vatican.

President Trump this week responded to the pope’s criticism of the war in Iran, saying—his words… "The pope would rather talk about the fact that it's OK for Iran to have a nuclear weapon.” adding “I think he's endangering a lot of Catholics.”

Secretary Rubio said Wednesday:

RUBIO: I think what the president basically said is that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon because they would use it against places that have a lot of Catholics and Christians, and others for that matter.

The secretary, who is himself a devout Catholic, will look to repair frayed ties between the White House and the Vatican. But the two leaders will also talk about religious freedom and the persecution of Christians around the world.

Rubio also meets with Italy's prime minister tomorrow.

Ted Turner obituary » Ted Turner has died at the age of 87.

The Atlanta media mogul launched CNN in 1980. That was part of what would become a cable TV empire.

He merged that empire in the mid-90s with Time Warner, where he then served on the board. But things took a big turn years later when Time Warner merged with AOL.

In 2003 he told Mike Wallace with 60 Minutes:

TURNER:  It was very clear that, uh, that it was gonna go through, so I might as well have gone along with it and-

WALLACE: And it was a big mistake.

TURNER: It was. Absolutely

He said he lost at least $7 billion dollars from that merger.

Turner was also a competitive boat racer, winning the America's Cup. And he owned the Atlanta Braves for two decades.

The brash billionaire also stirred controversy with remarks insulting Christians and abortion opponents, though he often later apologized for such comments.

President Trump reacted to Turner’s death, calling him "one of the Greats of All Time."

I'm Kent Covignton.

Coming up, Christians mark the National Day of Prayer. Plus, Messianic Jews in Jerusalem on faith and tradition.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Thursday the 7th of May.

Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

First up: beating the heat.

Hundreds of burned homes and tens of thousands of acres of pine forest are likely unsalvageable after two large wildfires swept through South Georgia.

REICHARD: Both were unintentionally se, but the entire state is experiencing drought conditions, with some areas in a state of “exceptional drought”, the most severe classification.

The fires are mostly contained this morning but still burning in some places.

WORLD’s Mary Muncy reports.

MARY MUNCY: On April 18th, Superior Pine Products Company Vice President Corey Davis was camping with his family when he got a call about a wildfire near his company’s timber forest.

DAVIS: I told my wife, I said, ‘I've got to go.’ She said you know, ‘it's two acres. Why do you have to go?’ And I said, ‘I know what's coming,’ because we knew the conditions.

Davis got to the fire 90 minutes later and started clearing brush from what became the Pineland Road fire.

DAVIS: Three nights. I didn't go home. So I got probably two to four hours of sleep.

Within a week, high winds spread the fire to about 32,000 acres—roughly the size of San Francisco. Meanwhile, farther East, the Highway 82 fire burned 22 thousand acres.

Firefighters converged from across the country. But resources were split.

Will Ficklen’s timber company owns land near Superior Pine. At least 15 thousand acres of his land burned.

FICKLEN: That was a double whammy that Georgia Forestry Commission, you know, had to fight two fires at the same time that were two of the largest in the state's history on, you know, private timberland.

Davis says timber doesn’t have safety net programs or crop insurance. Owners can deduct $10,000 on their taxes, but after that they’re on their own to reforest. Davis says that CAN cost about $300 an acre.

DAVIS: Multiply that times 10,000 is $300,000 that just, they just had to spend with no no recourse.

With both fires mostly contained now, crews are working on cleanup.

MICKOLAY: This is, you know, the edge of the fire. See where the it's it's burned through this area.

Drew Mickolay is a public information officer with the Georgia Forestry Commission. He says the few spots still smoking are normal.

MICKOLAY: We've driven almost a mile from the edge of the containment line. So those smokes like that, if they're not a threat to our containment lines, they'll continue to burn for some time.

That could be days or months, especially in swamps, where peat can burn like coal until there’s a heavy rain.

Mickolay says pines with just a few green needles would normally bounce back.

MICKOLAY: But these trees have already been so stressed from from the ongoing drought that even if they're like that… they might not survive.

Hurricane Helene downed or damaged trees in the same area in 2024. The Georgia Forestry Commission says that likely added extra fuel, but the drought has been the exacerbating factor.

The two fires also destroyed at least 120 homes. Georgia’s governor says that’s the highest number in state history.

So volunteer crews like Samaritan's Purse are helping homeowners sift through the remnants and remove debris.

Aaron Richards is a Program Manager on-site.

RICHARDS: We've heard a lot of people saying, ‘normally we get a hurricane,’ or ‘normally we're prepared for a hurricane.’ We've not heard a lot of people saying, ‘we were prepared for a large fire.’

But Corey Davis with Superior Pine was prepared. They have people on constant fire duty and own their own fire equipment.

President Scott Griffin says that preparedness is about more than the company’s bottom line. He thinks 90 percent of his community relies on the forest in some way.

GRIFFIN: Because you have honey bee keepers, you know, tree planters, road contractors, everybody that lives in this part of the world is connected to the forest in some way or another, whether through employment or just enjoying the outdoors.

It will take time to know the full extent of the damage, but there are already signs of recovery. In a few areas, palmettos are sprouting new growth, and some grasses are pushing their way up.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Mary Muncy in Clinch and Brantley County, Georgia.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: forced marriages in Pakistan

Religious freedom advocates are hoping more attention, pressure, and punishments will deter governments who allow forced marriages involving children.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: USCIRF the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom heard their testimony in a hearing last week. Those working there say the problems run deep.

WORLD’s Harrison Watters reports from Washington.

HARRISON WATTERS: Last July, 13-year-old Maria Shahbaz got married to a man more than twice her age. The marriage license said Maria, a Christian, was 18 and had converted to Islam. Her parents went to court to fight it with proof she was a minor, but that didn’t get her out of the marriage. USCIRF Vice Chair Asif Mahmood.

MAHMOOD: Instead of protecting her, Pakistan's Federal Constitutional Court upheld a lower court ruling based on falsified documents claiming she was 18, effectively forcing her to remain with her captor.

Shahbaz is one of a growing number of Christian and Hindu girls abducted and married to Muslims in the last decade. CSW…Christian Solidarity Worldwide… estimates the number at about 100 each year.

JOHN: Only 18% of these victims were adults, the rest were all minor girls.

John works with CSW in the United Kingdom. Because of his work in sensitive locations like Pakistan, WORLD has agreed to use a pseudonym. He says many Muslim nations set minimum ages for women to marry at 16 or 18. But communities operating by strict Islamic law observe no minimum age.

JOHN: Under traditional Sharia Islamic law, a girl is considered eligible for marriage when she has reached puberty.

Mahlia Zia works with the Legal Aid Society.

ZIA: This is not a random crime. It is a very, very calculated one. It targets girls, who are obviously female children, non-Muslim, and from overwhelmingly impoverished households.

The forced conversions and marriages are typically described as abductions, but Zia says the mechanism resembles grooming.

ZIA: ​​The perpetrators reach out and actually find these girls, start communicating with them, and there's an initial period of false relationship building, leading to gradual isolation from family, the creation of dependency, and finally, exploitation.

Eventually the man entices the girl to leave her home. They end up in front of a religious leader who compels her to sign a conversion certificate and accept a marriage proposal.

If the girl’s family reports the kidnapping, the perpetrators get her to sign another document.

ZIA: They say, I have married of my own free will, and my parents are the ones who are harassing me. This harassment document is then taken to the trial court, and they're saying, oh, you know, a woman has every right to marry, a woman has every right to change her religion, and therefore we cannot take this case further.

Zia works with local leaders to identify and prosecute perpetrators. But she says the United States can help.

ZIA: Designate Pakistan as a country of particular concern under the IRFA.

That’s the International Religious Freedom Act, the 1998 law that prioritizes religious freedom as a foreign policy issue. When countries violate their citizens' religious freedoms, the State Department can designate them a country of particular concern, causing them to forfeit some benefits of doing business with the U.S.

Knox Thames is a former State Department advisor for religious minorities.

THAMES: The first Trump administration, to its great credit, designated Pakistan a country of particular concern. For the first time ever, no other administration, Republican or Democratic had been willing to do that.

The Biden administration renewed that designation in 2023. But so far, the second Trump administration has not.

THAMES: Pakistan has been engaged as an economic partner, a rare minerals partner, and now a partner with trying to come up with a cease fire in Iran. And because of that, all these issues of human rights, of religious freedom, of religious persecution, they're just falling by the wayside.

A State Department spokesperson told WORLD, “We regularly raise concerns regarding freedom of religion or belief with Pakistan counterparts.”

Last week, one province where many Christians live passed a law criminalizing child marriage and setting a hard minimum age of 18 for boys and girls. John with CSW says it’s an important step, but no guarantee.

JOHN: Sometimes unfortunately, in Pakistan, we see that there are good laws over there to protect minority communities, but the lack of implementation is what allows for this abuse to go on with impunity.

John says some judges have annulled forced marriages, but Pakistan has a long way to go to uphold its constitution’s protections for people of non-Muslim faiths.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Harrison Watters, in Washington.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Coming up on The World and Everything in It: Praying together.

Churches, groups, and individuals will gather across the country today to mark the 75th annual National Day of Prayer, a time for people of the United States to turn to God in prayer and meditation. We visited several groups who held prayer gatherings leading up to today.

MARANGELI: My name is Marangeli Asevedo and I’m from Iglesia de Dios Puerta del Cielo

BROWN: This is the fifth year that church in Seemes, Alabama has hosted its community’s observance.

AUDIO: Thank you Jesus for your presence…

It featured young people singing and performing interpretive dance at an outdoor amphitheatre last Saturday. They are all part of a local hispanic ministry.

Asevedo served as an interpreter for organizer Damarys Alver who said she invites the younger generation to pray every day.

MARANGELI: To go in that line for others, to the communities where you are. For the people that have addictions, that are out on the streets. To wake up and pray for them.

REICHARD: One city over, a group in Prichard, Alabama began corporate prayer Tuesday with a hymn in a tiny sanctuary with wooden pews.

YORK: Welcome all prayer warriors and intercessors…

Barbara York has coordinated the event for more than a decade.

YORK: In faith we declare our dependence and our dedication to you. (audience repeat)

Only a handful showed up Tuesday…but York says what she calls prayer apathy is all the more reason to pray.

YORK: If you notice the churches on Sunday morning, it’s packed. But during prayer time, very few. Oh there’s power in prayer. First Chronicles 7:14. If my people that are called by His name, seek his face, turn from their wicked ways, hear from heaven and he’ll heal the land. At this hour church, we need to pray like never before.

BROWN: Meanwhile in Washington D.C., Onederful Fortress of Faith —that’s Onederful, spelled “O-N-E,”—met around the city for seven days leading up to today’s events. Organizer Sheila Griffin moved to the area five years ago to work with prayer groups.

GRIFFIN: We've been taking our time to get to know people, especially D.C. is hard. Many of the people that we know are all transplants here too. We don't mind, but this year, I'm focusing on the wards and the people from here.

But Griffin says stirring up D.C. natives to pray is difficult.

GRIFFIN: ​​They are not impressed because they see parades every day. They see people who come and you go, people who are hot one day and cold the next. We're looking for a steady flow.

Last year 200 people came out to Fortress of Faith’s final event. This year the group is pushing for 400. The national events culminate tonight with a prayer broadcast from Statuary Hall in the nation’s capitol.

HALL: Make the capital a refuge for conscience, a witness among the nations, and a place where mercy and truth meet together.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: A town in Taiwan is leaning into its slow reputation, one race at a time.

Except here, the competitors aren’t sprinters. They’re snails.

Dozens lined up on a round table, inching their way to the edge, well, millimetering their way to the edge, as the crowd leaned in.

SOUND: [Kid cheering]

That energetic voice is 10-year-old Larry Luo— urging on the one he calls “Brother Snail.”

SOUND: [Crowd cheering]

Who would go on to ooze his way to victory.

AUDIO: I was very nervous… because it started to turn away. But I kept calling it back… and we won.

Young Larry saying there that he was nervous, which was probably because he had far too much time to think about it.

The prize for Brother Snail?

A pile of fresh vegetables.

Proof that sometimes, victory belongs to those who are just a little less slow than the rest.

It’s The World and Everything in It.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Thursday, May 7th.

This is WORLD Radio and we’re so glad you’ve joined us today! Good morning. I’m Myrna Brown.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard..

Coming next on The World and Everything in It: faith in Jerusalem.

Many religious Jews in Israel say they're still waiting for the Messiah promised in the Old Testament. But a small community of Messianic Jews says he already came in the form of Yeshua, or Jesus.

WORLD Reporter Travis Kircher now on how those believers are caught between Jewish tradition and Christian faith.

AUDIO: [Congregation singing Kama Hesed]

TRAVIS KIRCHER: It’s a Sunday evening in downtown Jerusalem. And several dozen worshippers are singing in Hebrew in an office building on Jaffa Street. They refer to themselves as a congregation of Jewish and Gentile disciples of Yeshua. And they’re singing a song about His grace less than four miles from the former site of the Jewish Temple where he rode in on a donkey roughly 2,000 years ago.

Here’s senior pastor Chad Holland:

HOLLAND: Okay, be seated. Praise the Lord for that wonderful and sensitive worship time.

Holland is considered a Gentile, but he also grew up with a Jewish stepfather, received a Jewish education, and later married into a Jewish family.

HOLLAND: I'm a messianic Gentile, but I live my life like other messianic Gentiles you see in the Scriptures, where we attach ourself by calling—not as a mandate, but as a calling—to the nation of Israel, to the Jewish people, to the God of Israel.

Holland says the goal of his congregation is to teach Jews in Jerusalem and the surrounding region to have a saving relationship with Yeshua and to be his disciples.

HOLLAND: We are part of the global body of Messiah. We are believers in Yeshua as Messiah and the only way to salvation…

That profession of faith is a big deal in this region—one that often comes with a cost. Joanna Saada is a member of King of Kings Ministries and a messianic Jewish believer. She says the vast majority of her fellow Jews are respectful of her beliefs. Others, not so much.

SAADA: A lot of times, if I say I'm a Messianic Jew, it's not taken well. It's easier for them to accept Christians. But if you're a Messianic Jew, then you're considered a traitor.

But Saada believes she’s anything but. Members of this congregation read not only from the Habrit Hachadashah or New Testament. They also read from the Tanakh or Old Testament. And they see Yeshua not as a contradiction of the Jewish faith, but a fulfillment of it. Holland reminds his congregation about the two goats chosen by the high priest annually on the Day of Atonement. One of the goats would be sacrificed for the sins of the people. The other was abandoned in the wilderness.

HOLLAND: That's a direct reference to Yeshua! Where they lay hands on the head of the goat, and they say, "You will take the sin of Israel." That's what happened to Yeshua on the cross, right?

King of Kings Ministries incorporates the Jewish calendar and tradition into its services. That means members of the congregation observe Passover, Hanukkah, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot and other Biblical holy days. And while Holland agrees with the Apostle Paul that believers shouldn’t argue about festivals, he does encourage the Western church to remember its Old Testament roots.

HOLLAND: Why would we not want to focus and build our calendar schedule around the commanded festivals of the Lord? But yet we will build our calendar around things that are not in the Bible at all, and really, many times, have a pagan origin.

In fact, Israeli congregations like Holland’s are often reluctant to refer to themselves as churches…

SHULAM: It's not enough to say that you're a disciple of Yeshua, but you've got to keep his commandments and follow his instructions…

Rabbi Joseph Shulam is founder of Shepherd of Israel. While King of Kings Ministries incorporates contemporary worship, Shepherd of Israel is a much more traditional congregation of messianic believers. Citing high-profile scandals, Shulam is critical of some Western churches, accusing them of failing to live up to the standards outlined for Gentile believers in Acts 15—namely that they avoid foods sacrificed to idols, the drinking of blood, the eating of animals that have been strangled and sexual immorality.

SHULAM: Do you know any church that teaches that they should keep the commandments that the apostles decided?...I don’t know any that does it at all!

But some scholars point out that the food restrictions were included to address pagan practices specific to that time and promote fellowship between Jews and Gentiles. Not as a requirement for salvation.

Regardless of their assessment of the Western church, disciples of Yeshua are clearly the minority in Jerusalem. Estimates say there are only about 30,000 messianic Jews in Israel—among a population of more than 10 million.

SAADA: It saddens me that they still don't know who the real Messiah is…

Saada remembers one instance when her congregation held a worship event…and members of an extreme sect of Judaism showed up to protest.

SAADA: People are trying to break the doors. And there were times that we were physically attacked. They threw frogs on us. They were cursing.

MUSIC: [Kama Hesed, Kama, Kama, Hesed]

But despite occasional persecution and the cultural challenges, disciples of Yeshua in Jerusalem are united by one creed. While there may no longer be a Jewish Temple—or a chief priest to offer sacrifices there—they know the true Chief Priest has already atoned for the people.

SHULAM: We have Yeshua. God took our sins and transferred it not to a goat, but to his Son. And that's very significant for us.

Leading these worshippers to sing “Kama Hesed. Kama, Kama, Hesed.”

In English: So much grace. So, so much grace.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Travis Kircher in Jerusalem.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

The numbers are getting harder to ignore—America’s national debt has crossed a historic threshold. Here’s WORLD commentator Cal Thomas.

CAL THOMAS: This is the moment people have been warning about for years.

AUDIO: For the first time since World War Two, our national debt is now larger than, the size of the economy… $31.27 trillion…

That’s about $114,000 per American…

People of a certain age will recall a lyric from the Tennessee Ernie Ford song Sixteen Tons: “Another day older and deeper in debt.”

That line may have been written about coal miners. But it now describes the United States government.

AUDIO: We’re spending more than we’re taking in… pandemic spending… aging population… Medicare, Social Security…

That’s the polite explanation.

Here’s the blunt one: Washington has spent money it doesn’t have for decades—and voters have rewarded the people who promise the most and postpone the cost.

We have created a system where the benefits are immediate … and the consequences are delayed.

Until they aren’t.

AUDIO: We are now spending more than $1 trillion on our own debt… that’s higher than the defense budget…

More on interest than on national defense.

That is not just a statistic.

It is a warning about priorities—and about trajectory. A nation that finances its past faster than it funds its future is headed for trouble.

AUDIO: Like a family making $70,000 a year… with a $500,000 credit card balance…

In any household, that ends one way.

Eventually, the credit runs out.

What makes this worse is not ignorance. It is avoidance.

We know where the money goes. We know the biggest drivers—entitlements, interest, and a political system unwilling to say no.

And we know—because we’ve done it before—that restraint is possible.

In the 1990s, Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich worked together to balance the budget. They cut spending. They made difficult choices. And for a time, it worked.

Today, those choices are postponed … because elections are always closer than consequences.

Here is what cannot be postponed forever: Reducing the debt will mean cutting benefits, raising taxes—or both. There is no third option.

The more we wait, the harder those choices become.

For WORLD, I’m Cal Thomas.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Tomorrow: it’s Culture Friday with John Stonestreet. And, a family-friendly murder mystery movie getting critical acclaim. We’ll have a review of The Sheep Detectives. 

That and more tomorrow. I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

The World and Everything in It comes to you from WORLD Radio. WORLD’s mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates, and inspires.

The Bible says, “Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you.’ Then he said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.’ Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’” —John 20:26-29

Go now in grace and peace.

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