The World and Everything in It - May 5, 2021

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Good morning!

The 2020 Census is in, and it’s changed the political playing field. We’ll talk with a political scientist to find out what we can expect in next year’s elections.

NICK EICHER, HOST: That’s ahead on Washington Wednesday.

Also World Tour.

Plus a female pilot who flew right through the aerobatics glass ceiling.

And Joel Belz on culture-changing technology.

BROWN: It’s Wednesday, May 5th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

BROWN: Up next, news with Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Biden aims for vaccinating 70% of adult Americans by July 4 » President Biden on Tuesday set a new vaccination goal to deliver at least one shot to 70 percent of adults by the 4th of July.

BIDEN: That means giving close to 100 million shots, some first shots, others second shots, over the next 60 days.

The new goal comes as demand for vaccines has dropped off markedly nationwide with some areas turning away vaccine supplies.

Biden’s new goal is a tacit acknowledgment of the declining interest in shots. Already more than 56 percent of adult Americans have received at least one shot.

The White House is now trying to tackle the challenge of waning demand, in part by making the shots more convenient to get.

BIDEN: Starting this week, we’re also going to direct all federal pharmacy partners to begin to provide walk-in hours. You’ll soon be able to get vaccinated without an appointment at that vast majority of our 40,000 pharmacy locations across the country.

He also said his administration is ready to make some 20,000 pharmacy sites available to adolescents age 12-to-15 to get vaccinated as soon as the FDA gives the green light.

Florida bans COVID-19 restrictions » Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a freshly passed bill into law this week to suspend all remaining COVID-19 restrictions across the Sunshine State. Those include rules imposed by local governments, though businesses can still impose requirements. The law takes effect July 1st.

Speaking to reporters, DeSantis said his state has fared well in comparison to many other states with tighter restrictions.

DESANTIS: We wanted people going back to work. We wanted our kids to be in school. We thought that that was very important the parents had the ability to send their kids to school. And we wanted our economy to be healthy. We wanted our society to be healthy.

He said with vaccines now available to all adults, now is the time for Florida to get back to normal.

DeSantis also signed a pair of executive orders this week to move those restriction rollbacks along more quickly.

But critics, including Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber, said the governor is moving too quickly. Gelber said, “It feels like he’s spiking the ball on the 10-yard line.”

India crisis worsens as official cases pass 20 million » While the United States leads all major nations in vaccinations, in India, only 2 percent of the population is fully vaccinated.

And infections and deaths are continue to mount with alarming speed in India with no end in sight to the crisis.

India's official count of coronavirus cases surpassed 20 million Tuesday, nearly doubling in the past three months. But the true numbers are believed to be far higher with many uncounted cases.

Dr. Sumit Ray with Holy Family Hospital New Delhi said Tuesday,

RAY: The government has to intervene in more ways than just providing oxygen. Oxygen is only one thing. What we need is surge capacity building. Quickly build up prefabricated hospitals with beds, ventilators, ICUs, staffing.

The Indian government was caught completely off guard by the recent surge largely fueled by more contagious variants.

McCarthy: rank and file Republicans concerned about Cheney » House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy stepped up pressure on No. 3 House Republican Liz Cheney on Tuesday. He said some GOP lawmakers aren’t sure that she can continue to lead given her very public rift with former President Trump.

MCCARTHY: There’s no concern about how she voted on impeachment. That decision has been made. I have heard from members concerned about her ability to carry out the job as conference chair, to carry out the message. We all need to be working as one if we’re able to win the majority.

McCarthy stood by Cheney during a failed effort to oust her in February. But his remarks on Tuesday suggest her leadership position is in peril.

Former President Trump wrote this week, “The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020 will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!”

And some Trump supporters are stepping up pressure on Republicans, like Cheney, who have been critical of Trump.

Cheney fired back, saying, “The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system,” she tweeted.

At least 24 dead in Mexico rail accident » Dozens of families are mourning in Mexico today after a Mexico City Metro overpass collapsed killing at least 24 people. WORLD’s Anna Johansen Brown reports.

ANNA JOHANSEN BROWN, REPORTER: Crews labored on Tuesday to untangle train carriages from the steel and concrete wreckage that fell onto a roadway. A crane carefully lowered a train car containing four bodies to the ground.

Twenty-one people died at the scene, while the others died at hospitals. Another 77 people were injured when the support beams collapsed about 10:30 p.m. Monday as a train passed along the elevated section.

Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Marcelo Ebrard called the collapse “the most terrible accident we have ever had in mass transportation.”

The rail line has been plagued by allegations of poor design and construction. Some have speculated that a 7.1-magnitude earthquake in 2017 could have weakened structures along the rail line.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen Brown.

I’m Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: new districts shake up the U.S. House of Representatives.

Plus, Joel Belz on technology advancements that have changed the world.

This is The World and Everything in It.

NICK EICHER, HOST: It’s Wednesday the 5th of May, 2021.

Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Nick Eicher.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

First up, congressional redistricting.

The Census Bureau released the results of the 2020 U.S. headcount last month. Thirteen states will see a change in their congressional delegations. Democratic strongholds in New York and California lost seats. More conservative southern states, including Texas, gained representatives.

EICHER: Demographers predicted most of the changes ahead of time. But that doesn’t mean state leaders have accepted them. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo was especially unhappy. Just 89 fewer people was enough to cost his state a seat in the U.S. House.

CUOMO: Eighty-nine is the differential. Do I think it was accurate to within 89? No, and we’re looking at legal options. Because when you talk about 89, I mean that could be a minor mistake in counting.

BROWN: Cuomo blames the Trump administration for the alleged undercount.

And the legal challenges that preceded the 2020 census seem likely to drag on for years to come. In the meantime, state legislatures are scrambling to redraw their districts ahead of next year’s midterms.

EICHER: Joining us now to talk about all of these congressional changes is Mark Caleb Smith. He’s a political science professor at Cedarville University, a Christian college in Cedarville, Ohio. Good morning, professor!

MARK CALEB SMITH, GUEST: Good morning. It's good to be with you.

EICHER: Well, for obvious reasons, the Census Bureau needed extra time to finish the 2020 count. But other than the delay, is there any reason to doubt the quality of the data this time out?

SMITH: I mean, not any more than usual. Anytime you're trying to count two to three hundred plus people, it's going to be difficult, to be complicated. There will be mistakes. There's just no way to avoid it. The real question, though, legally speaking, would be whether there are discriminatory mistakes—the kinds of mistakes that could result in a legal challenge, and a successful legal challenge. So based on what I know, there's no reason to dispute what we're looking at right now. But there will be some, I'm sure there'll be some court battles that unfold.

EICHER: And that's what I was going to ask. As we heard just a moment ago, you heard the Governor, Andrew Cuomo, considering legal options after his state lost that seat. Is that unusual? And how likely do you think it is that he'll succeed?

SMITH: It's not unusual, necessarily. I think a lot of this is driven by politics, obviously, to some extent. I mean, there may be a legal argument to make. But New York continues to slide in terms of population and in terms of influence—the Electoral College in the US House, in particular. And so I think some of his reaction is really trying to push back against that narrative, which is taking over New York for quite some time. You know, over several decades, we've seen them lose about 19 house seats, I think, over the last seven years. And so it's a pretty remarkable trend in New York State.

EICHER: Yeah, New York is big. But let's zoom out and look at the bigger picture for a bit. We know that some states picked up seats in the House. Others lost them, and it's a zero sum game. Whoever picks up, it means because somebody lost. But almost all of the changes were expected, no big surprises. It's only that they weren't as significant as some demographers predicted. Why do you suppose that is?

SMITH: A part of it is I think we're seeing maybe the slowing of a trend that's been unfolding for quite some time here. The population is shifting pretty significantly out of the Northeast and the Midwest, toward the South and the West. That was begun, as anyone could probably predict, it was begun by the advent of air conditioning in the South and in parts of the West. Once that became sort of a reliable household good, people began to flock in those directions. We've seen it pretty consistently over the last several decades, however, you're starting to see some of those states become expensive in and of themselves. You're seeing some of those things slow down a little bit economically, comparatively speaking. And so you know, the South thing is going to continue to grow. The West will continue to grow. But it wouldn't shock me if we're looking at a little bit of a plateau here.

EICHER: Now, there's been an awful lot of talk about how states that tend to trend Republican picked up most of the seats. But that doesn't necessarily mean a net gain for the GOP. I don't want to oversimplify. But that's true, isn't it?

SMITH: It is true. Yeah. When you look at especially the trends over several censuses, now, those Southern states that are more Republican are tend to be growing at significant rates. And I think we kind of view it in a linear fashion. So that means, therefore, Texas will get bigger and more Republican or Florida will get bigger and more Republican. Well, that doesn't necessarily hold up to the data.

One thing that we see is when people come into those states from out of that state, the politics within those states actually change as a result over time. And so you know, Texas is looking more competitive, for example, the statewide level compared to 10 years ago. And so, yeah, I think it's true Republican states tend to benefit, but there's no guarantee that those states will remain quite as solidly Republican now as they have done.

EICHER: So it's a very narrow margin in the House between Democrat control and possibility that the Republicans would take back control. So think a little bit about how the trend of politics is headed right now. And we know what the trends are for midterms for the first term of a new president. What do you think the net impact on the House is going to be? Do the Republicans have a really good shot at taking it back?

SMITH: I think they really do. I mean, as you said, the historic trend is for the president to suffer in those, that first midterm election fairly significantly. And honestly, I would expect that we would see that in 2022. Also, some of these new states with all these shuffling will have to result in redistricting. As you mentioned in the introduction, Republicans control the redistricting process and most of these states that are gaining seats. So you'd expect those new lines to be drawn in such a way that it actually benefits, potentially, more Republican House members than Democrats.

So I think all things being equal, I'd expect the Republicans to pick up some seats. However, you know, as the last year and a half has shown us, it isn’t always predictable what might take place over the next year. What role will Donald Trump continue to play in the party? Will we see more infighting and more difficulty maybe mounting? Unified message? A little bit too early to tell. But I think generally the trends look good for Republicans.

EICHER: Now, you talked a bit about the redistricting process. Can you walk through the process? Generally speaking, I know it varies from state to state. But talk a bit about the process of redistricting. We hear that it's always in connection with the census.

SMITH: Yeah, so once we get those redistricting, those census results, virtually all the districts have to be redrawn to some extent. Because when you have population shifts, then the lines around our political districts—whether it's state House, state Senate, or U.S. House seats—they have to be moved to accommodate those changing populations. Here in Ohio, for example, we're going to lose a House District seat, which means the redraw has to be more dramatic. In a case like that, you're going from a certain number of seats, you're seeing a decline take place. Now you're gonna have probably either an extra incumbent on your hands, or maybe someone will choose to retire, for example. And then they'll draw districts accordingly. It isn't shocking. Sometimes they put two incumbents in the same district, you know, and they fight it out in the next midterm election. So what will take place exactly? We'll have to see. But generally, the state legislature draws a map of the kind. There may be another body or the governor who signs off on it. And then that goes into effect for the next election. And of course, legal challenges might mount as they often do, depending on the nature of the lines that are drawn.

EICHER: But just to be absolutely clear that work has to be done in time for the next year's midterms.

SMITH: That's correct. Yeah, it needs to be done quickly. And it can be done quickly. If everyone is sort of on a similar page, there's fierce opposition to it, of course, the minority party will fight it all the way through the process. But if we're honest about it, in most of these states the party that's in power essentially stacks the deck in its favor, so that it's a relatively clean process if they want to make it that way.

EICHER: Are there any interesting trends within the states? I mean, does the census affect what happens in state politics? Or is this just a federal question?

SMITH: Yeah, it affects state politics as well. So those lower level districts are redrawn at the same time. So you know, you won't see a change in a county line, for example. But if the county contains two or three legislative seats, like in Ohio for the General Assembly, then those lines will get shifted around a bit in the process as well. And of course, population change affects a lot of policies that we look at. And so the distribution of government benefits—whether we're talking about something like Medicare, or public school benefits, or free lunch programs—those tend to get distributed based on population changes also. And so once the census comes out, there's kind of a cascading effect, a cascading policy effect that really starts in Washington and works its way all the way down to local government.

EICHER: Did you see any trend toward more urbanization, or did rural areas gain? What was the overall sense that you saw there?

SMITH: Now, generally, urbanization and suburbanization is the continued trend that we're looking at when it comes to our population shifts. You know, if you look at America now compared to what it was 50 years ago, or even more so 100 years ago, we've gone from really a pretty rural environment where significant amount of our economy was built around agriculture, to now much more of an urban-suburban environment. And that's really continued. The really only shift is which suburban or urban area are people moving to, whether it's in a coastal area or whether it's in the South or in the West. That's really the the only real mystery that we're looking at right now.

EICHER: Mark Caleb Smith is a political science professor at Cedarville University. Thanks so much for joining us today!

SMITH: Thank you. It's my pleasure.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: World Tour with Africa reporter Onize Ohikere.

ONIZE OHIKERE, REPORTER: Protests continue in Myanmar—We start today in Southeast Asia.

SOUND: CHANTING

Thousands of protesters took to the streets across Myanmar on Sunday. They are calling for a "spring revolution" to overturn the military regime that seized power four months ago.

As quickly as they formed, the mobs scattered to avoid a confrontation with police.

Since the February 1st coup, security forces have killed nearly 800 civilians. That’s according to a local monitoring group. But the military claims just over 250 protesters have died along with 17 policemen and seven soldiers.

The military is also cracking down on ethnic militias in the eastern part of the country.

SOUND: SHOOTING, VOICES

Airstrikes in the area have forced thousands of villagers to flee. Fighters with the Karen National Liberation Army claim to have captured a military outpost and burned it to the ground.

Militia groups have fought for greater autonomy in the area for years. But battles with the military have intensified in the last few months.

Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan reach a cease-fire—Next we go to central Asia.

WOMAN: SPEAKING RUSSIAN

Officials with Kyrgyzstan’s foreign affairs ministry announced an end to fighting on the country’s border with Tajikistan.

The cease-fire signed Friday ends the worst violence between the neighboring countries in years. At least 31 people died and dozens more suffered injuries.

Residents in border communities regularly clash over land and water. But this time troops from both countries joined the fight.

Border disagreements between Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan stem from divisions made during their Soviet-era occupations.

Taliban targets doctors in bomb attack—Next we go to the Middle East.

SOUND: GLASS BEING SWEPT

Residents of a town just south of the Afghan capital are cleaning up after a car bomb destroyed houses and a nearby hospital. At least 21 people died and more than 100 suffered injuries.

MAN: SPEAKING PUSHTO

This man is a doctor at the hospital. He says 10 staff members were wounded and most of the hospital’s rooms aren’t usable.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani blamed the attack on the Taliban. Government forces have clashed with the militant group almost daily in recent months. The violence has only increased as diplomatic teams try to work out a peace deal.

Last week’s attack came one day before U.S. troops were set to begin pulling out of the country. President Joe Biden has ordered all troops home by September 11th.

Colosseum to get new floor—And finally, we end today in Europe.

The Roman Colosseum re-opened to visitors last week after a 41-day closure. Tourists like this woman enjoyed a rare view of the ancient site.

AUDIO: Well, it's a little strange that there is so much space to enjoy it, there is really nobody here so on the one hand it's nice to visit, it's a great moment to visit, but on the other, where is everybody? It's very empty here.

On Sunday, the Italian government announced a major restoration project for the historic structure—a new floor. The lightweight stage will allow visitors to stand in the middle of the arena and see it from a gladiator’s point of view.

Archaeologists removed the original floor in the 1800s to reveal a network of passages and rooms underneath. The new floor should be in place by 2023.

That’s this week’s World Tour. Reporting for WORLD, I’m Onize Ohikere in Abuja, Nigeria.

NICK EICHER, HOST: When third-grader Dylan Pfeifer set up a folding table in front of his house, passersby may have expected to see a sign that says “Lemonade - $1.”

But you don’t know Dylan Pfeifer.

Instead, it read “Dylan’s food drive.”

The 8-year-old told KPNX News,

DYLAN: I was feeling sad because I know I get great food every day, so I wanted everyone else to get great food.

EICHER: When his school went entirely virtual, he heard that some families were foregoing meals to pay for internet services. And that’s when he jumped into action.

Dylan has hosted three drives from his home in Chandler, Arizona, just outside of Phoenix.

So far, he’s collected more than 1,000 cans and boxes of food and about a thousand dollars in cash donations!

It’s The World and Everything in It.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Wednesday, May 5th.

Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

Coming next on The World and Everything in It: airshow pilots. They thrill audiences with what appear to be death-defying acts—seeming to push the boundaries of what is sensible or even possible.

EICHER: In the late 1960’s a teenage girl pushed against barriers she didn’t really know were there. She just wanted to fly. And she was good at it.

WORLD correspondent Bonnie Pritchett has her story.

GARY: It just felt completely natural. It was just wonderful…

BONNIE PRITCHETT, CORRESPONDENT: That’s Debbie Gary describing the first time she flew. It was summer in New Jersey, 1966.

GARY: It did not feel overwhelming. But at 19 you’re invincible. You know. Anything you do, you’re like, ‘Oh, yeh. I can do that…’

At her Houston-area home, Gary recalls that New Jersey summer night when she stumbled upon what would become her career. Out with a friend the two found themselves at an airport.

GARY: And we watched this airplane at night go around the airport and come and roll the wheels on the runway and take off again. And it kept doing this. And I thought he must be having an emergency. Later I what I learned that’s what you call touch-and-gos. That’s how you learn to land…

Gary learned something else that night from a poster on a hangar door. Flight lessons cost just $99 dollars.

Her first lesson taught her even more.

GARY: It was like, finally, for the first time in my life there was something that felt like, yes, I belong here. Not ballet. Not drawing. Not all these different things I’d been exposed to in childhood. None of them were like really a match. But I loved maps. I loved packing things. I loved men. I loved machinery. There was nothing about flying that I didn’t already love. It’s like I found true love at 19 when I had my first flying lesson…

After that first lesson, Gary never stopped learning. When her father’s job temporarily took him to St. Thomas, Gary took a semester off from college to join him. She got a job. Found a flying club. And, within three months earned her pilot’s license.

On the island she learned how to fly gliders and then how to tow them between St. Thomas and St. Croix.

GARY: So, I flew as a glider tow pilot and a glider instructor for maybe three years. Then there was a man who was an airshow pilot that I had met at an airshow in St. Croix who remembered me and came to Vermont looking for me and my boss said, ‘Oh, she’d be great at flying aerobatics.’ In the airshow I had only demonstrated a glider. So, they cooked up this scheme where this man would teach me aerobatic flying and then I would work for him…

Those men Gary said she loved? They dominated the field of aerobatics.

GARY: I didn’t have the misogynist problem and that’s because I had such a confident relationship with my father. And I always loved boys. And I always felt equal to them. I took that into aviation. And I also was very, very enthusiastic and young. And a lot of the guys were older. And when somebody is young and enthusiastic in your field, you wanna help them. You want to give them opportunities, you want to coach them…

She’s grateful for those early mentors and even those who took a while to recognize her talents and not just her gender.

GARY: But the next one was a challenge. The next one was getting on this four-plane team…

The team’s owner was former British Royal Airforce pilot Manx Kelly. Gary met him when she was flying on another team in Canada. She casually asked Kelly how to apply for his team.

GARY: He was very stand-offish. Very aloof. And he said, ‘They’re all British. They’re all male. They’re all ex-military…’

Unoffended and undeterred, Gary let her skill and teachable spirit speak for her. After he flew with her team for a few airshows, Kelly approached the young female pilot.

GARY: He said, 'You know we’re forming this team in Canada and you should try out for it.' And I was flabbergasted because of what he had told me. But he didn’t give me a break…

She made the team. And while on that squad, in 1973, Gary became the first woman in the world to fly the wing position—the most difficult spot on a formation aerobatic team.

Gary’s trip to a New Jersey airport so many summers ago propelled her into a career as one of America’s first full-time female aerobatic pilots. During her 35 years of airshow escapades, she performed with six airshows, flew on three-formation teams and even had a solo act.

At last count Gary has flown more than 90 different kinds of planes.

In 2009 she retired from the airshow circuit, but not from the air. Her bright yellow 1994 Piper Super Cub looks as shiny as the day she bought it.

AMBI: TAKING OFF

An airstrip divides her from her neighbors and their hangars.

GARY: I love seeing these bayous and these boats and see what people are doing...

Gary points out features in the map unfolding beneath her and defies the maxim that says “If God had intended man to fly, he would have given him wings.”

GARY: If he didn’t create us to fly, we wouldn’t be flying. He gave us imagination. And he gave us curiosity. And he gave us intellect. And he gave us the ability to observe and experiment. And, I don’t think we can do anything that God didn’t mean for us to do. I think we’re meant to fly.

After a career of aerobatic flying, what thrills Gary now?

GARY: Literally just being in the air. You can be in any kind of mood and the minute you lift off you feel this lift. You just, feel like you’re home. And then you make the landing. And no matter how difficult it is it’s a sense of accomplishment. I just feel like I belong up here.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Bonnie Pritchett, in the air over Houston, Texas.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Wednesday, May 5th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Nick Eicher.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

WORLD founder Joel Belz now on machines that have changed the world.

JOEL BELZ, FOUNDER: If Johannes Gutenberg’s humble printing press was a major cultural development of the last millennium, it seems appropriate to ask as a follow up: What other technologies might future historians look back and identify as similarly significant?

I have several suggestions. No one who knows of my love for printing will be surprised that my first choice is the Linotype machine. The common use of movable type was the great victory of Gutenberg’s era. But a German watchmaker who lived in Baltimore found a way to automate those millions of pieces of type. Ottmar Mergenthaler’s 1885 invention was both a technical and a cultural marvel.

Thomas Edison called Mergenthaler’s invention “the Eighth Wonder of the World.” But the Linotype’s most profound impact was on the newspapers, magazines, and books of the day. A daily newspaper’s front page, pre-Linotype, required as many as a dozen skilled typesetters. With the Linotype, that typically dropped to just one or two. Printing costs were dramatically reduced, and libraries flourished around the world.

It took five centuries to get from Gutenberg’s press to Mergenthaler’s typesetter. But my next culture-changer showed up just 100 years later. It was the tiny tabletop personal Apple computer known as the Macintosh. Yes, there were dozens of other candidates seeking the public’s approval for everything from word-processing to managing the family’s picture album, from keeping an eye on the church budget to organizing your family’s recipes. All this, keep in mind, was pre-Internet. Folks hadn’t got familiar yet with the PC world. We needed some patient help—and Apple’s Macintosh gained a reputation for making things simple.

Before, each font or size of type was described by a number. It was the same for every picture, or any aspect of layout. But with the Mac, the design and size of what you saw on the computer’s screen was exactly what your printer produced. Well, usually.

It was a profound change in thinking. Especially for students and tens of thousands of people in creative vocations, the Mac became the standard. That’s the gist of my argument that the Macintosh deserves to be seen as a standout of cultural change.

But there’s more—and too much to expand on here. The newest technology, by almost anyone’s telling, is the relatively tiny cell phone. What other invention has a creative and sovereign God chosen in our current culture to bring more extensive change? We may visit that discussion on future programs.

In the meantime, you may have your own insights on the matter. Your life experience may prompt you to suggest quite different candidates for the role of symbolizing such societal change. I’d love to hear from you—and especially if your email is 100 words or less and arrives on a Gutenberg press.

I’m Joel Belz.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: Unemployment in America. It isn’t necessarily a lack of jobs. Businesses are looking for workers but can’t attract them. It’s a side-effect of public policy, and we’ll tell you about it.

And, we’ll find out why Christian healthcare providers are worried about religious liberty under the Biden administration.

On Friday, we’ll have listener feedback, so if you’d like your comments considered, dial up our listener line, 202-709-9595.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

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