The World and Everything in It: May 29, 2025

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President Trump signs an executive order to cut drug prices. Can it work?

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Also white South African farmers seek asylum in the US, raising the question: When does targeted violence become genocide?

And a post-it note roils the Presbyterian Church in America:

TRUEMAN: At a minimum, public and private apologies to those named on the list are appropriate…

And WORLD commentator Cal Thomas says if you care about truth, start by cleaning up your grammar.

REICHARD: It’s Thursday, May 29th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

BROWN: And I’m Myrna Brown. Good morning!

REICHARD: Time for the news now with Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Federal court blocks Trump from imposing sweeping tariffs » A federal court has blocked President Trump from using emergency powers to impose sweeping tariffs, dealing a major blow to one of his key trade policies.

The U.S. Court of International Trade ruled that the 1977 International Emergency Powers Act does not give the president authority to regulate imports through tariffs.

The ruling does note that under a separate law … the president can still impose limited tariffs for up to 150 days on nations with which the US has a large trade deficit.

The White House is appealing the case, which may ultimately be decided at the Supreme Court.

Iran talks » President Trump says U.S. negotiators are making progress toward a nuclear deal with Iran.

TRUMP:  We are doing very well with Iran, and I think we're gonna see some, some, uh, something very sensible because there were only two outcomes. You know what the two outcomes is a, a smart outcome and there's a violent outcome, and, and I don't think anybody wants to see the second.

Speaking in the Oval Office, he said he believes a deal could come together—quote—"over the next couple of weeks."

He also acknowledged that he warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu against taking any actions that could threaten the ongoing talks.

The head of the UN’s nuclear watchdog agency, the IAEA, Raphael Grossi, says he sees cause for cautious optimism:

GROSSI:  The fact that they continue to meet and they continue after, uh, one round to say that there, there is an interest in, in, in going on, in having yet another meeting.

Iran is believed to be one fairly short technical step away from enriching uranium at weapons grade levels.

Russia-Ukraine latest » Russia is proposing a new round of peace talks with Ukraine in Turkey on Monday. The Kremlin says it plans to present an outline of its terms for a possible ceasefire deal.

Ukraine says it’s open to more negotiations, but it wants Moscow to deliver that outline before a new round of talks.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is calling for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire.

On Wednesday, Zelenskyy met with German Chancellor Freidrich Merz, who told reporters:

MERZ (translated): We will continue our military support and even increase it, so that Ukraine can continue to defend itself against this Russian aggression now and in the future.

Russia’s proposal for a new round of talks comes on the heels of some of the biggest aerial attacks against Ukraine since the start of the war.

Gaza latest » Meantime, in the Middle East, US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff says US officials are on the verge of sending out a new term sheet to outline a possible ceasefire between Israel and the Hamas terror group.

WITKOFF: The president is going to review it, and I have some very good feelings about getting to a long-term ceasefire and a long-term resolution, a peaceful resolution of that conflict.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel has killed senior Hamas leader Mohammed Sinwar in a strike two weeks ago.

And in Gaza, aid trucks are finally reaching residents after a weeks-long blockade by Israel, which voiced concerns about the Hamas terror group stealing supplies.

Missouri abortion ruling » Pro-life protections have been temporarily restored in Missouri after a state Supreme Court ruling. WORLD’s Benjamin Eicher has more.

BENJAMIN EICHER: The high court instructed a lower-court judge to lift two injunctions that had allowed abortions to continue. Circuit Judge Jerri Zhang blocked two pro-life laws, saying she believed pro-abortion groups would eventually win their lawsuit.

Now, the dispute is headed to trial in January.

In its ruling, the state Supreme Court said the judge used the wrong legal standard when granting those injunctions and must reconsider the decisions.

Republican Attorney General Andrew Bailey praised the move as a victory for women and children.

These pro-life measures, which took effect in 2022 allow abortion only in limited situations.

Meanwhile, Missouri voters approved a November ballot measure banning any restrictions on abortion before the baby can survive on its own outside the womb.

For WORLD, I’m Benjamin Eicher.

Duffy on Newark fixes » In New Jersey, flight cancellations and delays continue at Newark Liberty International Airport. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says a new runway is also set to open soon at the airport, which should help. But beyond that, it’s been a perfect storm of multiple factors, including air traffic control understaffing, and outdated tech and data lines, but:

DUFFY:  Verizon has laid a brand new fiber line between Philadelphia and New York. If it all goes well, we should be able to turn over to this new fiber line, uh, at the start of July.

Duffy has also warned that if air traffic control systems aren’t updated, many more airports could experience the same problems seen in Newark.

DUFFY:  I think this truly is a moment to look at, uh, what kind of system we're using, what kind of equipment we use, what kind of telecom we use.

The Trump administration is pushing a multi-year, $13 billion-dollar overhaul of the system.

I'm Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: addressing US drug prices.  Plus, when calling out “scandalizers” becomes a scandal itself. 

This is The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Thursday, the 29th of May.

Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

First up: bringing down the cost of prescription drugs.

Last week, the Department of Health and Human Services set new price targets for drug manufacturers. The goal? To bring US drug prices more in line with those in other wealthy countries. It’s part of President Trump’s “most-favored nation” executive order.

REICHARD: WORLD’s Mary Muncy reports on what this could mean for the pharmaceutical industry.

MARY MUNCY: Dee and Jean Vandergiesen are scrolling through their prescription app in Walmart in Sioux Center, Iowa.

DEE VANDERGIESEN: Blood pressure, for stomach, he has one for Crohn's.

JEAN VANDERGIESEN: Parkinson’s I take 19 pills. That's too many.

They have health insurance. But between the two of them, paying for their prescriptions is a solid chunk of their monthly budget.

JEAN VANDERGIESEN: Been retired for 14 years, and when we did that, then I. It looked like you had very sufficient amount. Now it don't look so good, because we could buy groceries in for about $60 a week. Now it's $120.

They’re not sure how much they pay each month because:

DEE VANDERGIESEN: When you need it, you need it, so you pay the price.

The Vandergiesens think drug prices are too high, and they’re not alone.

Last week, the Health and Human Services department started implementing President Donald Trump’s plan to lower American drug costs.

Trump says other countries put price controls on drug prices, and that that’s forcing drug companies to charge Americans more.

TRUMP: They were making us pay– They set a price and they said here’s what we’re going to pay… and anything else, charge America.

Trump’s “most-favored nation” policy is supposed to change that. The policy orders several departments to work together to ensure other countries don’t undercut American prices. Part of that is forcing manufacturers to sell pharmaceuticals to Americans at the same price they sell to other countries and cut out “middle-men.”

The Health and Human Services Department took the first step by outlining price targets for manufacturers to hit.

But some are worried the policy needs more thought.

JEREMY COUNTS: We are relying a lot on foreign governments to negotiate these prices with Most Favored Nations.

Jeremy Counts works with Pharmacists United for Truth and Transparency. He says Trump’s policy is a good first step, if it’s implemented correctly.

COUNTS: we could bring down drug costs over here, or we could see it skyrocket because they are negotiating kickbacks that they don't have to report back to the United States government, and so we get our drug prices tied to an inflated number.

Others worry the policy will artificially lower prices in the US.

JEREMY NIGHOHOSSIAN: For the most part, drug prices in other countries are set from the top down by the government.

Jeremy Nighohossian is an economist with the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

NIGHOHOSSIAN: They tend to set lower prices than what a market would determine.

And he says that means other countries experience shortages, or a delay in manufacturers introducing a drug in their country.

NIGHOHOSSIAN: In Japan and France, they have phrases for this, drug lag and drug loss that are completely foreign to American consumers, because one of the benefits of paying a market price is that shortages are not something we really have to worry about.

These price controls have also stifled other countries’ research and development, or R and D.

STEPHEN EZELL: The important thing to understand about America's life sciences industry is that it is the most R and D intensive industry in the entire world.

Stephen Ezell works with the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation.

He says US life science companies reinvest a quarter of their revenues into innovation.

EZELL: The reality is that if we want to pay the Greek or the Portuguese price for medicines, we're going to end up with the amount of drug innovation that comes out of places like Greece or Portugal, and that is very little.

Ezell says the real problem may not be the cost of the actual drug. While Americans often pay higher prices for brand-name drugs, they typically pay less for generics. Meaning that once a patent expires, the free market is able to balance out the system.

EZELL: From 2008 to 2023 over that time, American’s expenditures their total health care expenditures increased by 107% but their expenditures on drugs increased by only 23%.

Ezell believes trying to create transparency within the healthcare system may be a more effective route, and he wants to start with Pharmacy Benefit Managers, or PBMs.

PBMs bill themselves as a wholesale buyer, able to negotiate a lower price from drug manufacturers by buying in bulk. Then they pass those savings on to consumers. PBMs say they keep a small profit for themselves, but Ezell and other critics say there’s nothing small about it.

EZELL: Only 49 cents on every dollar that Americans spend on drugs actually goes to the companies making them.

How PBMs actually affect prices is hard to determine. They don’t publish much data, and the data they do publish is often hard to understand.

Economist Nighossian says in general, more transparency is better, but it's not unheard of for industries to keep their prices under wraps, or for intermediaries to work on behalf of another industry.

NIGHOHOSSIAN: Profits at PBMs are are not very high. Which is, which is a good sign. that they're not, you know, taking that they're not cheating anyone, that they're not overpricing or underpricing.

For now, it’s unclear how the government will enforce Trump’s “most-favored nation” policy, but innovation researcher Ezell says they should think carefully about how they incentivize drug companies.

He says there is a strong link between how much a company earns and the creation of new drugs, so the challenge is to build a system where consumers and companies can benefit from innovation.

EZELL: We can have price controls. We can pay less for drugs. But the choice is not between lower drug costs and lower drug company profits. The choice is between lower drug cost and fewer or not as good solutions for our children.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Mary Muncy.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It:

South Africa under the global spotlight.

Last week, President Trump had a testy meeting in the Oval Office with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. Trump played a video montage of South African elected officials calling for killing white farmers and seizing their land.

MALEMA: Shoot to kill, kill the boer, the farmer.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: The week before, a small group of white South Africans arrived in the US seeking asylum. President Trump told reporters.

TRUMP: It’s a genocide that’s taking place that you people don’t want to write about.

The South African government disputes the claim, though it admits that criminal violence is widespread. So, how bad are things in South Africa? WORLD Senior writer Emma Freire talked to several residents to find out.

EMMA FREIRE: With asylum programs on hold in the U.S., the arrival of white South Africans as refugees made news in America

PBS: Today, nearly 60 white South Africans were admitted into the United States

But it was possibly an even bigger story back in their homeland.

JOUBERT: I went to bed the night before with the airplane still having not departed.

Gideon Joubert is a private security consultant who lives in Cape Town.

JOUBERT: And then I opened up the news and there it was, right about just before work the next morning. And I thought, here we go.

Watching the news that morning reminded Joubert of 9/11 which happened when he was 15-years-old. He felt like the course of history was changing before his eyes.

JOUBERT: It is possibly one of the most significant, if not the most significant, but definitely one of the most significant events in Afrikaner history.

He hopes the shock of seeing South Africans as refugees finally jolts the government into undertaking reforms to make life better —for everyone.

Afrikaners, sometimes called boers, are white South Africans who began arriving from Holland, Germany, and France in the 1600s. They traditionally worked as farmers. Today, South Africa has a population of 60 million. About 5 million of those are white, and half of these are Afrikaners. Joubert is one of them.

JOUBERT: I can trace my family lineage here to 1681, when my ancestors arrived here as French Huguenots fleeing persecution from the French King and the Roman Catholic Church in France. At the time, it was that tumultuous era of the religious wars in France and elsewhere in Europe.

Afrikaners played a central role in establishing apartheid, the brutal system of institutional racial segregation and discrimination that was abolished in 1994.

Today, Afrikaners say they are the ones being discriminated against. And not just them, but other minority groups. Those include South Africans of Indian descent, which total about 1.5 million people.

Against the backdrop of racial tensions, Joubert says the country faces a dire economic situation.

JOUBERT: We have 28 million people on government welfare grants that they are dependent on to survive out of a total population of 60 million. And we only have about 7 million taxpayers.

He thinks his country is on the verge of becoming a failed state. But many South Africans are not ready to give up on their homeland. Anneke Van Der Walt is a wife and mother of four young children in Potchefstroom, a small city in the northwest of South Africa. She understands why some of her countrymen are seeking asylum in America, but she’s not planning to apply to join them.

ANNEKE: We hope that we can contribute to a better South Africa. We try to do good work and to help and spread the gospel.

Van Der Walt’s biggest concern is safety. Her neighborhood bands together to pay for private security. That’s a common arrangement for anyone in the lower middle class and upward and provides a small measure of safety from rampant crime. But the government has proposed new gun control legislation that would disarm most private security guards. Van Der Walt and her family are prepared to leave if they have to.

ANNEKE: If we have to give up our, our culture for safety of us, our children and the future of our children, we will probably have to do that. And we pray a lot that, that the Lord will bless this country rather than punish this country for, for excluding him in, in everything.

In his executive order pausing foreign aid, Trump zeroed in on a 2024 land expropriation law. That law allows the government to seize farm land, which is still largely in white hands. The South African Government says their policy is necessary to redress the injustices of Apartheid, but has not yet implemented it.

But the law empowers the government to seize other types of private property as well—without compensation. That has Joubert worried.

JOUBERT: This is any private property, including the contents of your bank account that the state can arbitrarily seize by just invoking an “it's in the public interest clause,” which is ill-defined and very open for abuse.

South Africa has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. And only a tiny number of those—estimates vary but don’t go higher than 60 a year—are murders of white farmers. Trump described the killings as “genocide.” Critics argued that the President was out of line to use the term. Joubert thinks Trump didn’t mean it literally.

JOUBERT: There is no actual genocide that meets the definition of what a genocide would be.

But he thinks Trump carefully selected that word to draw attention to the problems.

JOUBERT: I think if you look at previous historical genocides, a common thread and a common theme to them is that in the aftermath of them, for decades afterwards and sometimes centuries afterwards, a lot of people would say, you know, this was a great tragedy and a great atrocity. It could have been averted if more people just stood up and said something before it happened.

The Trump administration expects to welcome more South African refugees to America in months ahead.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Emma Freire.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: News anchor Olivia Jaquith of CBS 6 in Albany delivered the headlines last week like a pro and then some:

DUNN: We do have some breaking news this morning, literally—Olivia’s water broke and she is anchoring the news now in active labor.

Her co-anchor Julia Dunn made clear that this was Jaquith’s call. A producer held up a sign that read “Go 2 the hospital!” But she powered through all three hours on air.

JAQUITH: I’d rather be at work than at the hospital.

I get that part!

Only after signing off did she calmly head to the hospital, where she and her husband welcomed baby son Quincy.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Now that’s a real deadline delivery!

REICHARD: It’s The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Thursday, May 29th.

Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

Coming next on The World and Everything in It: controversy within the Presbyterian Church in America.

Last week, the denomination’s chief administrative officer Bryan Chapell revealed a list of names of men he says hurt the church’s reputation by attacking other Christians.He called them “scandalizers.” That revelation has triggered multiple appeals to investigate Chapell’s character, along with letters of concern, and many questions about how the PCA will handle the fallout. Reporter Zoe Miller has more.

ZOE MILLER: All it took was a small sticky note to set a controversy in motion.

BRYAN CHAPELL: Longing for relationships is up, depression is way up, anxiety is way up …

That’s Bryan Chapell, the Presbyterian Church in America’s stated clerk. He appeared on a recent episode of the Gospelbound podcast. The episode covered the challenges modern churches face with generational divides. The show’s host Collin Hansen brought up the subject of men who spend too much time performing for the applause of their peers by trying to scandalize others. And that was when Chapell brought up his list.

CHAPELL: Those are the names of the scandalizers, the people who have invested hours every day attacking others for their supposed lack of faithfulness, for their compromise…whose identity comes from scandalizing others. And every name on that list has either left his family, left the faith, or taken his life - every name on that list.

Chapell then briefly held up the sticky note. It was only on screen for a split second, and he says he didn’t intend for anyone to read it. But when a video of Hansen and Chapell recording the podcast was published, viewers were able to pause, zoom in, and read most of the names on the list.

Since the interview’s May 20th release date, Chapell’s list of so-called “scandalizers” has made the rounds on social media. It’s triggered multiple formal complaints against him, and drawn official letters of concern from sister Presbyterian denominations. Many people are asking the question: what should be done?

Some of the men on the list are pastors in good standing with the PCA or with other Presbyterian denominations. A number of them dispute Chapell’s characterization of them as “scandalizers.”

CARL TRUEMAN: I have no idea why my name appears on Dr. Chapell’s list.

Carl Trueman is a professor of Biblical and theological studies at Grove City College and an ordained pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. I asked him why he thought his name was on the list.

TRUEMAN: My writings, lectures, sermons, and podcasts are not characterized by attacks on other Christians.

Trueman told me that Chapell apologized to him privately.

TRUEMAN: But public actions have public consequences. The existence of and display of such a list is having a negative impact on the relationship between the PCA and other NAPARC denominations. As far as the PCA response goes, I’m sure that they are taking this seriously, and working hard towards a satisfactory resolution. At a minimum, public and private apologies to those named on the list are appropriate, because Dr. Chapell has caused genuine pain and distress for those named and their families.

Another name on the list is David Winecoff, a minister who died in 1993 in a mountain climbing accident. Winecoff’s friend, pastor Doug Hart, believes that the list was a serious offense against Winecoff and his family.

DOUG HART: He (Chapell) had made the statement that everybody on that list had either left the faith, their family, or taken their own life…and David never left his family, never left his faith, he was in good standing as a pastor, no charges against him or anything. And his family loved him dearly. So the only possible reason he could be on there is he’s suggesting that David took his own life, which grieved me as his friend.

Hart has since sent in a formal request to investigate Chapell’s Christian character on the basis of this list. In PCA polity, that’s called a 31-2 request.

HART: Well, you know, we talk a lot in the PCA about being able to disagree agreeably, and you know iron sharpens iron, and sparks fly, but the best thing to do is treat each other as brothers and not as enemies even when we differ. And so for David to be on the list of…whatever that was..just to me is remembering… To harbor that resentment that must be there is just injurious to our church.

The North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council, or NAPARC, is a group of Presbyterian churches connected by shared doctrine and fraternal bonds. Several men who appeared on Chapell’s list are elders in other NAPARC churches.

FRANK SMITH: I don’t think that the actions of an individual should affect fraternal relations…

That’s Frank Smith, a pastor in one of the sister denominations. He also appears on the list. Smith ran a newspaper in the early 2000s that covered some controversial PCA news. He thinks that may be the reason Chapell included his name. He believes that the PCA’s bond with its sister churches can be strengthened by properly handling this incident.

SMITH: As a matter of fact, assuming an appropriate response by the PCA, the outcome may very well help to effect stronger bonds.

Despite the seriousness of the incident, Smith feels sympathy for Chapell’s situation.

SMITH: Well, I am saddened by this current scandal. You know, it’s always difficult when someone by his own actions creates this kind of situation for himself, and particularly so in the latter stages of his career.

For Smith, the appropriate response to a situation like this is humility and reflection.

SMITH: What should our response be? It should be prayer, prayer for the person and his family…humility, willingness not only to forgive, but also willingness to recognize that there, but for the grace of God, go I. And of course, also with the hope that out of this can come a sweetness, out of bitter can come a sweetness.

Chapell is a member of the PCA’s administrative committee, and they’ll meet to discuss this issue next Friday.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Zoe Miller.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Thursday, May 29th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. The beginning of summer offers columnists the opportunity to address subjects they might otherwise avoid the rest of the year. Today WORLD commentator Cal Thomas takes a break from the culture wars and instead wages battle on a different front: his catalog of English language pet-peeves.

CAL THOMAS, COMMENTATOR: Inattention to proper English seems to be a subject few bother to address. I have a list of misused words and phrases that in the past might have labeled a person “uneducated.”

Here are just a handful of what could be hundreds, even thousands, added almost daily to my gallery of misspoken words.

People who appear on TV are frequently guilty of mangled English. One phrase that is especially annoying is: “As you can see.” Someone should remind them, yes, we CAN see … because it’s television.

“Obviously” is repeatedly used by some of the most experienced news anchors. If it is obvious, why are you telling me about it?

Why do reporters use words the rest of us don’t? No one says to their neighbor, “who are you voting for in the mayoral or gubernatorial election?” Only TV people say that. A “goober” is a chocolate covered nut or a label kids used to call phlegm when it was coughed up. And I can’t find the meaning of “natorial” anywhere. Mayor and governor will do just nicely.

And now for a quick list of everyday offenders. “Like” and “you know” are used as sentence fillers. Like what? If I know, why are you telling me?

“Here” and “there” are other unnecessary sentence place holders.

“At the end of the day” is a meaningless statement. Would that be standard or daylight time?

How about “All eyes are on…”? Really?

“Gearing up” is a substitute for preparing, or getting ready. But do people have gears?

Many politicians refer to: “The American people…” as if we are united in our beliefs. If we were, we wouldn't have two parties…or Independents.

Then there’s: “If you will.” Well, what if I won’t?

Why do so many young restaurant servers respond when you thank them by saying “no problem” instead of “you’re welcome”?

Airports have a language all their own. “Pre-boarding” is one favorite. You can get on before others, or board early, but you can’t pre-board. It’s an impossibility, like pre-existing.

And speaking of airport phrases that don’t actually mean anything…at each gate there’s a readout on the screen with a countdown clock labeled: “time to boarding.” It almost always expires before you are allowed on, assuming the plane is even at the gate. Eventually the screen changes to “boarding soon” … as if that clears things up. If it’s really delayed, the screen just goes blank.

That brings me to the instructions for my airplane seat – it must be returned to its “full, upright and locked position.” Isn’t that redundant?

A few more…“bombshell” used to refer to an especially attractive woman. Now it is used to describe almost everything…except an explosive device. Cliché.

“World changer” is a common label for an individual who apparently has powers no one else possesses. But if someone could change the world—would it not have been changed by now, presumably for the better?

And finally, if someone has “come under fire...” should we call the fire department?

Something really ought to be done about these words and phrases. The teaching of what was once called “proper English” apparently has been replaced by social agendas and a refusal to correct its misuse. It’s becoming obvious to anyone with ears to hear and eyes to see, you know.

I’m Cal Thomas.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Tomorrow: John Stonestreet is back to answer more questions from our WJI students. Collin Garbarino reviews the new Karate Kid Legends project. And Arsenio Orteza introduces us to a classical minimalist. That and more tomorrow.

I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

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