The World and Everything in It: March 31, 2023

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MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Good morning!

Today on Culture Friday, we’ll talk about the gender confusion that lies at the heart of the tragedy this week in Nashville.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Right, we’ll talk with Katie McCoy. She’s just written a book on gender confusion. It’s not due out for a few months, but she’ll bring us her expertise today.

Also today, arts and media editor Collin Garbarino will take us to the movies.

And, listener feedback.

BROWN: It’s Friday, March 31st. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

Up next, Anna Johansen Brown with today’s news.

ANNA JOHANSEN BROWN, NEWS ANCHOR: Trump » Former President Donald Trump will be the first former U.S. president to face criminal charges, after a grand jury voted to indict him.

The Manhattan district attorney has been investigating hush money payments Trump allegedly made to silence claims about extramarital affairs.

In a statement on Thursday, the former president called the indictment “political persecution” by Democrats.

Congresswoman Kat Cammack predicted the move will backfire for Trump’s opponents.

CAMMACK - I think Americans are going to resist this I think people who are on the fence about supporting another run from President Donald Trump, they're now saying you know what, I'm all in now. And again we know that Trump has a fighter he leans into the fight. He's not gonna go anywhere.

The exact charges against the former president have not been announced yet. Trump is expected to face arrest and arraignment in the coming days. 

Nashville » 

911 CALL: I’m hearing more shots in the upstairs hallway. I’m in the art room closet.

Authorities in Nashville have released the 9-1-1 calls from the shooting at The Covenant School earlier this week.

Six people died in the attack, including three children. Officers shot and killed the shooter within about 15 minutes of receiving the 9-1-1 calls.

The private, Christian school is associated with Covenant Presbyterian Church.

SOUND: [Protesters shouting]

Meanwhile, hundreds of demonstrators gathered in the Tennessee state capitol yesterday to call for stricter gun control.

Train fire » Cleanup from another train derailment is expected to take several days in Raymond, Minnesota.

Twenty-two cars derailed on Wednesday morning. About half of them were carrying ethanol, and four cars caught fire.

BNSF Railway Vice President Matthew Garland.

MATTHEW GARLAND: Ethanol will burn off and we’re monitoring the air and we’re monitoring all the conditions around the derailment site.

Representatives of the rail company traveled to Raymond following the incident, as did Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and other state and federal officials.

Residents within a half-mile radius of the site were told to evacuate but have since been allowed to return to their homes.  

Healthcare » A federal judge in Texas has overturned part of the Affordable Care Act. WORLD’s Josh Schumacher has more.

JOSH SCHUMACHER: The portion of the Affordable Care Act in question required insurance providers to cover preventive services. That includes screenings for cancer, diabetes and mental health and other services like HIV screenings.

The judge in the case also declared the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional about four years ago. The Supreme Court later overturned that decision.

The Biden administration is expected to appeal and seek a temporary hold on the ruling.

For WORLD, I’m Josh Schumacher.

Russia » The White House says that Russia may try to obtain weapons from North Korea in exchange for food.

The United States is sanctioning a Slovakian arms dealer accused of trying to broker the deal.

National Security Council spokesman John Kirby:

KIRBY: As part of this proposed deal, Russia would receive over two dozen kinds of weapons and munitions from Pyongyang. We also understand that Russia is seeking to send a delegation to North Korea and that Russia is offering North Korea food in exchange for munitions.

Kirby added that any agreement would violate numerous U-N Security Council resolutions.

He also acknowledged that North Korea has said it won’t sell weapons to Russia, but said the administration is still monitoring the situation.

WSJ reporter » Meanwhile, the Biden administration condemned Russian for arresting American journalist Evan Gershkovich on espionage charges.

He works for The Wall Street Journal, which denies the allegations.

U.S. State Department spokesman Vedant Patel:

PATEL: I would like to make it clear that it is not safe for US citizens to be in the Russian Federation, any US citizen reciting or traveling in Russia should depart immediately. As stated in our latest travel advisory.

The Russian intelligence agency FSB says Gershkovich was caught was trying to gather information on a Russian military complex.

Gershkovich is the first American reporter arrested in Russia since the Cold War. His latest report covered the Russian economy slowing down amid sanctions.

Pope recovering » The Vatican reports that Pope Francis is showing improvement after receiving antibiotics for bronchitis.

He was admitted to the hospital earlier this week after experiencing difficulty breathing for a few days.

The 86-year-old pope had part of a lung removed as a young man due to a respiratory infection, and he often speaks in a whisper.

I’m Anna Johansen Brown.

Straight ahead: Culture Friday with Katie McCoy.

Plus, Listener Feedback.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: It’s the 24th day of March 2023.

Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Myrna Brown.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I'm Nick Eicher. It's Culture Friday!

Joining us now is Katie McCoy. She’s director of women’s ministry at Texas Baptists. She holds a PhD in Systematic Theology from Southwestern Seminary, and she’s author of the forthcoming book To Be a Woman: The Confusion Over Female Identity and How Christians Can Respond.

It’ll be about three months before the book’s out, but we couldn’t wait to talk to her, given the sad, shocking events this week.

Katie, thank you for being here.

KATIE MCCOY, GUEST: Great to be with you all on really, though, such a heavy week.

EICHER: Katie, I know you’ve been following reports out of Nashville. There’s still a lot we do not know.

But what we want to talk about with you today is what we do know, which is we had another mass shooting this week, tragically, six lives taken. The killer came armed for confrontation with police that she fully expected, and she died in that confrontation.

One thing especially unusual here: Mass shootings are almost always committed by men. Since 1982, 96 percent of these attacks had male attackers. This was a female attacker, a young woman, 28 years old, who identified as a transgender male.

That’s well founded, even though in the early going, it was not.

Before Monday, she was completely unknown to police. She had no criminal record. She was an illustrator and graphic designer, she attended an art college.

Quoting from the chief of police: “We have a manifesto. We have some writings that we’re going over, that pertained to this date, the actual incident. We have a map drawn out of how this was all going to take place. There’s right now a theory that we may be able to talk about later, but it’s not confirmed. And so we’ll put that out as soon as we can.”

We would also later find out that the shooter had been under a doctor’s care for an emotional disorder. We also found out that her parents did not think she should have a weapon, that the one they believed she had, they believed she’d sold it.

So we know the killer was a woman, that she identified as a transgender male, that she lived with her parents, that this was a premeditated, targeted attack on a site she knew (because she had been a student there in the distant past). We’ve seen a photograph police provided of a smiling, petite young lady, and we’ve seen a social media picture which is a good bit different.

The subtitle on your book is The Confusion Over Female Identity, so from established facts we have here, isn’t that what we have here?

MCCOY: Absolutely. Case in point, how long did it take before we really knew the identity of the shooter? It was reported that this was a young girl or then it was a woman and then it was a male, it was a trans—it was so confusing, to understand what had even occurred. And in part because we live in a society right now that disconnects biology from gender, to the point that one's physical, biological sex has no bearing on one's identity. And that is part of why in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath, it was so confusing. And once I heard the confirmation that this was indeed a biological female who identified as trans, it brings up a host of questions. Among them were, as you mentioned, that emotional disorder. That is so very common among transgender persons. In fact, most of the time, when people are seeking a gender transition, it is to alleviate things like anxiety, depression, and other mental distress or emotional issues. And also, part of the reason why we see such a flood of detransitioners, is that they go through the hormonal, perhaps the surgical procedures and find that their anxiety and depression is still around, that all of the transition did not help their mental and emotional issues. And clearly, this woman had much more going on than just gender dysphoria and just an emotional disorder.

BROWN: Well, Katie, let me just say too, thanks for the preview copy of the book, Katie. It’s fascinating. But in it, you describe how women in the LGBTQ community are “pulled between a belief system anchoring sex and gender identity in a Creator and a cultural riptide sweeping them into confusion and, in many cases, irreparable harm.”

I wonder if the church sometimes adds to that confusion by adding a third wheel per se, and that third wheel would be the notion that God is ok with a woman choosing to identify as a man or vice-versa. Are you seeing the church being helpful or just muddying the waters?

MCCOY: The short answer is, yes, some churches are helpful, some churches are harmful. And that pull, that tug of war, happens in part because 80% of the LGBTQ community comes from a Christian or religious background. That means that they are in our churches or youth groups, our homeschool coops our Christian schools. And really, if you have teenagers and young adults with access to social media, even if they have Christian friends who all believe the same way that you do, that you perhaps have raised your son or daughter to believe, they're being introduced to these ideas. So one of the most confusing and harmful things, it's really just an extension of what we see from the last 10-15 years about confusion over what Scripture says over a biblical sexual ethic. And we have some people claiming to speak for God, who say that it is entirely possible to maintain a Christian faith, your Christian discipleship, and a transgender identity. Now, let me hasten to say, we're not talking about people who are Christians, and suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a very complex condition. It is an acute mental and emotional distress. Someone can still struggle with feeling out of sync between their mind and body, but live according to God's design. Part of the confusion that we're seeing, it goes down to a doctrine of humanity that is woefully deficient. And what did it mean to be created in the image of God? Is it only that we were made souls? Well, if it's not including something about the significance of our bodies, then why did Jesus come in human form? Why was he physically put to death, resurrected, physically ascended, and he is going to physically return? I think, God gives greater priority to the body than our culture does. And one of the things that we're seeing has infiltrated the church, sometimes it is out of deep concern for someone with gender dysphoria, but it is a blurring of these cultural beliefs, as though your Christian discipleship has no bearing on the body, has nothing to do with how you live in the physical world. And so we have some people in ministry in different churches, who are saying that you can be whatever you want to be. And so one of the things that we must reclaim is a full picture of what God says it means to be human, and how that affects our own Theology of the Body.

BROWN: Nick mentioned earlier the manifesto, and I do want to see that, and I agree it may shed some light. But we may never really know what was going through her mind when she pulled the trigger and changed so many lives, and stole so many.

Katie, there’s a chapter in your book that might give us some insight, and it startled me when I read it! You write about rapid onset gender dysphoria and how “the majority of adolescent girls who suddenly come out as trans are white and middle class.” You also write, “in a culture where your credibility is linked to your victim status, being a white, middle-class girl isn’t special.”

Now, imagine my surprise at reading that! But I do get it today.

So, lacking victim status, does that mean some people seek to become victims, and transgenderism is the perfect ticket to victim status?

And what’s going on in the trans community, these days of vengeance we hear about, that on the one hand you seek victimhood, but then you may say, I’m sick of being a victim, so I’ll lash out, and I’ll lash out violently. I hate to speculate, but is that beyond reasonable in this worldview?

MCCOY: To answer that, I think we have to look at the 40,000 foot view of our sociological moment. So, one of the things that we have in our culture today, we're very influenced by this idea of intersectionality. Now, intersectionality can be used in two ways. One way is descriptive, you're seeing how different categories of a person's being can make them more disadvantaged than someone who has a different set of categories. But the prescriptive way is what you're talking about. When someone has multiple statuses of a minority, intersectionality would say that they have a more pure perspective of what is true, and we are obligated to listen to them. And because, at the core of it, the problem of the human condition is power. Now, certainly we can see all throughout history, how power is corrupting. But we would also recognize that power itself is corrupting because of the corruption of the human heart. The problem that we have in our society today, among many other things, is that it views the majority as intrinsically oppressive of the minority. Translate that to what you're describing with our transgender moment that we're in right now, when you have young people who are growing up with this mindset, and you have cisgender, white, middle class, Christian teenagers, their only access to a minority status is the one that they can choose. And that is a gender minority. And what Lisa Littman, the researcher found, who coined that term, rapid onset gender dysphoria, she found that there were teen girls, who, once they inhabited this trans identity almost overnight, they became like a co-belligerent against other types of injustice. So it was a way to identify with what, frankly, is the currency of social value in our day today. It is what minority status Do you have? How can your voice be worthy of elevation? And really, what that would reflect is? How can you sort of etch out your own value in society today? It is a search for worth and meaning and significance and value, not because of the substance of what you're saying, but because you inhabit or identify with a culturally recognized oppressed group. So yes, what we're seeing this horrific headline about a day of vengeance, it's that this culmination of both minority status and anger at the majority. Now we would never be for someone to be bullied or mistreated, that should go without saying, but when I hear the trans community demand equality, I have to ask, what is this equality that they're looking for? We all have the equal right to be treated as human. But we do not have the equal right to define who we are separate from our biology and then demand that all of society conform to our self perception, that the difference that is is particularly pernicious among this transgender ideology. It not only has serious issues for one's belief about humanity, but it demands and punishes people who do not conform to their self perception and what they want the world to be and operate like.

EICHER: Katie McCoy is director of women’s ministry at Texas Baptists. She holds a PhD in Systematic Theology from Southwestern Seminary, and she’s author of a book due out in June: To Be a Woman: The Confusion Over Female Identity and How Christians Can Respond. I’m grateful that you could be with us and bear with us on these difficult questions and take your time and answer them with such care. Katie, thank you so much. We appreciate it and we will talk to you again soon.

MCCOY: Always great to be with you.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Friday, March 31st. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day. 

Good morning. I’m Myrna Brown.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

Coming next on The World and Everything in It: what’s new in theaters. Here’s arts and culture editor Collin Garbarino to talk about a couple of films debuting this weekend that offer some surprises.

COLLIN GARBARINO: Last weekend, John Wick: Chapter 4 topped the box office with a surprisingly strong 73 million dollars. The ultra-violent movie about a retired assassin waging war against the criminal underworld might repeat as No. 1 this weekend. But a new sword-and-sorcery movie hopes to steal the crown.

MUSIC: [“Wings of Time” by Tame Impala]

Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves is based on the Dungeons & Dragons tabletop role playing game. Despite being almost 50 years old, the game has never been more popular than it is today. It’s not surprising that D&D’s parent company Hasbro would want to capitalize on the recent surge in popularity with a feature film. What is a little surprising is that the movie isn’t just a corporate cash grab. It’s actually a smart adventure comedy.

DORIC: What exactly do you bring to this?

EDGIN: I’m a planner. I make plans.

DORIC: You’ve already made the plan, so…

EDGIN: If the existing plan fails, I make a new plan.

DORIC: So, you make plans that fail.

EDGIN: No.

HOLGA: He also plays the lute.

Similar to J.R.R. Tolkien’s Middle Earth, humans, elves, halflings, orcs, and wizards inhabit the world of Honor Among Thieves. The fate of the universe always seems to be at stake in fantasy films. But this movie doesn’t take itself so seriously. Honor Among Thieves is a heist movie—sort of like Oceans 11 meets Lord of the Rings. The movie is rated PG-13 for fantasy action and a few bad words intended for comic effect.

The hero, played with great comic timing by Chris Pine, must assemble a team, make a plan, and break into an impenetrable fortress. The heist’s execution is both inventive and delightful. But Honor Among Thieves isn’t the only surprising film debuting this weekend.

MUSIC: [His Only Son theme music]

Just in time for Holy Week, Angel Studios—the studio behind The Chosen TV series—debuts its first theatrical feature film, His Only Son.

His Only Son tells the story of Abraham and the events surrounding God’s command to sacrifice his son Isaac.

ABRAHAM: Lord, here I am.

GOD: Take now your son, you’re only son Isaac.

Abraham keeps the details of God’s message to himself, merely telling his wife Sarah he and Isaac must travel to Mount Moriah to sacrifice to the Lord. Sarah is reluctant to let her son go and convinces Abraham to take a couple of servants with him.

As the group walks through the dusty landscape, flashbacks to earlier events from Abraham’s life interrupt the narrative.

ABRAHAM: I saw God. The God. He appeared as a man before me. He spoke to me.

SARAH: What are you saying?

The journey is also interrupted a few times by extra-biblical ruffians, meant to add a little dramatic peril to the story.

RIDER: There’s a tribute to be paid. This road belongs to Abimelech, king of Philistia.

ABRAHAM: I know who owns this road. I have given your king plenty of tributes.

His Only Son is writer/director David Helling’s first feature film. For a first film made with a modest budget, it isn’t bad. I enjoyed many of the film's choices and interpretations. The lead actors playing Abraham and Sarah give credible performances.

SARAH: I have clung to you through every trial. Every day. Every week. Every month. Year after year. Waiting for what you claim the Lord has promised.

The movie also contains some beautiful cinematography. But the movie’s small budget and the director’s inexperience show up every so often.

For a feature film, the movie doesn’t contain enough people. On the journey, Abraham and Isaac pass the city of Hebron, but they don’t enter. City sets and crowd scenes would have cost too much. The movie also suffers from poor pacing. Some of the traveling scenes drag on too long. And the movie’s climax feels rushed.

Despite the movie’s limitations, the journey with Abraham might be worth taking.

ABRAHAM: The Lord himself came to me. He appeared before me. And in an instant, I was undone.

Mankind’s sin tortures Abraham. He’s broken over his own failings. The movie notes the patriarch’s adultery, lack of faith, and even his enslavement of others. Halfway through the film, the travelers have a theological discussion about the nature of sacrifice and atonement that sounds ripped from the pages of the New Testament.

ISAAC: How does the life of an animal measure up to the life of a man?

ABRAHAM: It cannot.

Though this is a story from the Old Testament, it makes for a good Easter movie. The film frames the narrative with the death of Jesus. It’s an overtly Christian film tying the symbols of sacrifice to the true sacrifice accomplished on the cross. The movie reminds us no one, not even Abraham the possessor of the covenant, can earn God’s favor. The Lord justifies his people through his own righteous substitute.

I’m Collin Garbarino.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Friday, March 31st. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Nick Eicher.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown. Up next, Listener Feedback. We begin today with some corrections. A few listeners wrote in to point out a mis-identified song that we included at the end of this month’s Ask the Editor. Listener Jonathan Howard lives in Atlanta and sent us this message:

HOWARD: I am so grateful for this podcast and the reliable source of news from a Biblical worldview. On Friday March 3rd, you closed the podcast and introduced the cover of the song “Create in Me a Clean Heart” as arranged by Terry Talbot. Terry Talbot does have an arrangement of that song, but it's actually with slightly different lyrics and then a different musical arrangement. The particular arrangement that was covered on the podcast is the arrangement by Keith Green.

Thanks Jonathan. Both are good songs, and we did confuse the two. 

The next correction comes from Mikeala Skelton from Hickory, North Carolina. She caught a factual error in our recent kicker about the Harry Potter toy owl stuck under the couch.

MIKEALA SKELTON: At the end of the story, Nick, says, "This is more of an Errol the owl thing, not a Hedwig the owl thing. It would never happen to him." If by him, he was referring to Hedwig, I just wanna clarify that Hedwig is a girl. I just wanted to call and make that correction. I really enjoy the podcast. Have an awesome day, week, month, year.

EICHER: Hey, I’m just a Muggle, so I did consult with an expert on Hedwig and Errol. What I neglected to fact-check was the sex of the creatures, and so that’s on me, Mikaela, obviously. Thanks for letting us know! And I hope you have an awesome day, week, month, year too!

While we’re talking about corrections, we just wanted to take a moment and identify an editing decision we didn’t make.

Last month we ran a three-part series on Baby Boxes and Safe Haven laws. Both sides of the debate had criticisms of each other—most of which is fair, and a matter of opinion.

But the mistake we made was airing a criticism that was an assertion of fact that one party had failed businesses. Upon review, we were not able to confirm the assertion made by one of the guests.

Judging businesses was beyond the scope of our story, and so we should have simply edited that criticism out. And we regret that we didn’t.

We’ve removed the reference from the piece.

BROWN: Alright, more comments from listeners: First, Duncan Homes from Fredericksburg, Texas, sent us this message after our recent Culture Friday segment on the Anglican church and its support of same-sex marriage.

DUNCAN HOLMES: Although I'm a member of and faithfully attend a church of another affiliation. I was a baptized and confirmed Episcopalian in an earlier time. Sadly, I didn't hear much gospel preaching or Bible teaching in the churches that I attended back then. So having observed the goings on in the Episcopal Church in the USA for some time, it comes as no surprise as to what's happening with the Church of England. And it's sad and outrageous. The only thing I can say is this from the Book of Common Prayer, Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy. Lord have mercy on us.

Moving now to Whitney Williams’ profile of a Bible smuggler. We got this email from a long-time listener:

He’s an Air Force pilot who was in North Korea two times, five nights in total. He says he did his daily Bible study with his English/Korean New Testament. He read aloud every morning in front of what he assumed was a two-way mirror. And at the end of his second trip, he gave the Bible to his handler. He went on to tell us that when he was on deployment to Turkey. He brought along 25 Turkish Bibles from American Bible Society. He ended this way:

I pray that God has used those Bibles for His Kingdom!

Well, amen, and we do, too!

EICHER: We received this email yesterday after our extended conversation with Kim Henderson and Lauren Canterberry who were in Nashville covering the aftermath of the shooting at the Christian school. This note is by Nathan Van Dyken, Luverne, Minnesota, and I’ll read a portion:

In a situation where the devil would love to see despair and despondency, you brought hope and solace. My prayers will continue to be with your team and World News Group as you seek to shine a light in the dark and still-darkening world.

Well, certainly pray for our reporters. Some of the things you see when you go out on a story stick with you, profoundly. It’s difficult work.

BROWN: And before we go this morning, just a quick heads up for a weekend listening opportunity from WORLD Radio. Les Sillars and the Doubletake team are hard at work on season two which will be ready in July. But over the next few months, Les will be occasionally presenting what he’s calling a “Singletake.” Here’s how he describes it:

LES SILLARS: Doubletake stories are usually 40 to 50 minutes long and they often involve a number of sources and people. A Singletake is a shorter story told by just one person. Usually about 20 minutes. Mostly you'll hear the person telling the story or questions from the reporter and sometimes we'll jump in with narration to provide some context. The stories themselves are ideas. We came across as we were working on season two of Doubletake, somebody would tell us about some amazing thing that happened to them, but it just didn't seem like it would work for a full episode. But these are definitely Doubletake level stories. When we pick stories for the show, we're looking for interesting people encountering big ideas and these stories. They fit. We plan to release four Singletakes between now and the start of season 2—one a month. We hope you'll check them out and that you'll follow Doubletake on your favorite podcast app.

So be sure to listen tomorrow to an incredible story of a Canadian woman who had two days to save her mother’s life.

EICHER: Well that’s it for this month’s Listener Feedback. Thanks to everyone who wrote and called. If you have comments to share with us you can send them to editor@wng.org. And if you’re writing, why not take a moment and record your comments on your phone’s voice memo app and send that along as well?

NICK EICHER, HOST: Well, it’s time to say thanks to the team members who helped put the program together this week:

Mary Reichard, David Bahnsen, Leah Savas, Caleb Bailey, A.S. Ibrahim, Onize Ohikere, Jeff Palomino, Ryan Bomberger, Kim Henderson, Lauren Canterberry, Anna Johansen Brown, Lynn Vincent, Cal Thomas, Katie McCoy, and Collin Garbarino.

Thanks also to our breaking news team: Kent Covington, Lynde Langdon, Steve Kloosterman, Mary Muncy, Josh Schumacher, Anna Mandin, and Elias Ferenczy.

And thanks also to the guys who stay up late to get the program to you early: Johnny Franklin and Carl Peetz.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Our producer is Harrison Watters with production assistance from Lillian Hamman, Benj Eicher, Emily Whitten, and Bekah McCallum.

Paul Butler is our Executive Producer.

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Remember to worship the Lord this weekend with your brothers and sisters in Christ! Lord willing, we’ll meet you right back here on Monday.

Go now in grace and peace.

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