The World and Everything in It: June 5, 2025

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MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

Ukraine takes out high tech Russian bombers using low-tech drones. How did they do it?

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Also a church fights city hall to keep its property.

And a pioneering organization trains people in “emotional first aid.”

ROMJUE: Music and art and beauty can be welcoming for people who have been through unspeakable things and can’t talk about it.

And commentator Cal Thomas on why the “big beautiful bill” misses the mark.

REICHARD: It’s Thursday, June 5th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

BROWN: And I’m Myrna Brown. Good morning!

REICHARD: Now the news. Here’s Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Trump travel restrictions » President Trump on Wednesday, citing Sunday’s terror attack in Boulder, signed an executive order to ban travel to the U.S. from 12 countries.

TRUMP: On my first day back in office. I directed the Secretary of State to perform a Security review of high-risk regions. and make recommendations for where restrictions should be imposed.

He said his administration chose those countries on criteria including: The "large-scale presence of terrorists. Failure to cooperate on visa security, persistently high rates of people overstaying their visas in the U.S., among other things.

On that list, nine countries located in the Middle East or Africa, as well as Afghanistan, Myanmar, and Haiti.

Zelesnskyy on Russian offer » President Trump says he spoke with Russian leader Vladimir Putin for more than an hour on Wednesday. He posted on Truth Social that the conversation was good, but that it wasn't likely to lead to an immediate peace with Ukraine.

State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce:

BRUCE: It is perhaps the least optimistic I've heard him regarding the nature of what was possible in a phone call and the peace or ceasefire with Ukraine, but this is part of, obviously, negotiations.

Trump said Putin plans to retaliate against Ukraine for its massive drone strike earlier this week. That strike destroyed dozens of Russian aircraft.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is rejecting Moscow’s proposal to end the war. He is still calling for face-to-face talks with Putin.

He said he does not believe Putin is interested in peace, but adds that a ceasefire agreement may still be possible…

ZELENSKYY:...if United States will stay strong and if Russia will be ready for some steps to peace.

Zelenskyy says Ukraine is not interested in any kind of deal that would ban its entry to NATO, or would require it to acknowledge Russia's right to any Ukrainian land it has annexed.

Canada-U.S. 'intensive' trade talks » Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is reporting steady progress toward new trade deals with many global partners. Bessent says the US is engaged in 18 active negotiations.

European Union officials just met with the US trade representative Jamieson Greer in Paris on Wednesday. And EU Trade Commissioner Maroš Šefčovič said talks with the US are "advancing in the right direction at pace."

SEFCOVIC:  Our goal, of course, is to maintain, uh, uh, the momentum. And, uh, we agree that after these technical talks … it will come again back, uh, to our video conferencing and assess the progress and, and chart the way forward.

He expressed optimism, but voiced displeasure over President Trump’s decision to double tariffs on foreign steel to 50%, saying such measures complicate negotiations.

CBO on GOP budget bill » On Capitol Hill, Republicans and Democrats are sparring over the GOP budget bill passed by the House which President Trump dubbed his ‘big beautiful bill.’

Democrats pounced after a report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected that the bill would add about two-and-a-half trillion dollars to the national debt over a decade and could endanger healthcare benefits for nearly 11-million Americans.

Democratic Congressman Ted Lieu said the job of the federal government …

LIEU:  Is to make the lives of Americans better, and clearly this big ugly bill is not going to do that.

But House Majority Leader Steve Scalise says the Congressional Budget Office has it wrong.

SCALISE:  You don't need to go back that far to see how wrong the CBO has been. When it comes time to make prognostications on economic growth, they've always been wrong and they've always ignored what tax cuts will do to grow the American economy.

Republican leaders argue that it's critical to pass the bill to, among other things, lock in President Trump’s 2017 tax cuts.

Musk’s criticism of GOP budget bill » But criticism of the GOP budget bill isn’t only coming from the other side of the aisle.

Elon Musk, who for several months led the Trump administration's efforts to slash government spending, has taken a public stand, calling the bill a—quote—"disgusting abomination" with bloated spending. And he’s urging Congress to kill it.

House Speaker Mike Johnson responded:

JOHNSON:  I think he's, he's flat wrong. I think he's, um, he's way off on this and I've told him as much, and, and, uh, I've said it publicly and privately. I'm very consistent in that.

Johnson argues that the bill would make the largest spending cut ever seen in a piece of legislation. That amount, he says, would be $1.6 trillion dollars.

Many Republicans also argue that more spending cuts would follow independent of this bill.

Japan population woes » New numbers from the Japanese government show that what the country’s prime minister refers to as “a silent emergency” is only getting worse. WORLD’s Benjamin Eicher has details.

BENJAMIN EICHER: Japan’s population is aging rapidly. It’s a problem leaders there have long recognized, but it’s not getting any better. In fact, new data show that the number of newborns in Japan just fell below 700,000 last year for the first time since the government began keeping records in 1899.

The decline comes about 15 years faster than the government predicted.

Last year’s figure is only about one-quarter of the peak of 2.7 million births in 1949 during the postwar baby boom.

Some analysts say younger people are reluctant to marry and raise children due to economic concern, as well as societal factors.

Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba has promised to promote more family-friendly measures.

For WORLD, I’m Benjamin Eicher.

I'm Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: how Ukraine’s low tech battle strategy may change the war. Plus, standing up against local government overreach.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Thursday, the 5th of June.

This is WORLD Radio. Thank you for listening. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

First up on The World and Everything in It, a surprise attack deep inside Russia.

Bombers on airstrips across Russia exploded in a coordinated attack on Sunday. When the smoke cleared it wasn’t tanks or fighter jets behind the assault: it was drones. Ukrainian officials say the operation took 18 months to plan and hit targets thousands of miles away.

Russia struck back hours later, launching heavy attacks ahead of rare face to face talks in Istanbul on Monday. That meeting didn’t last long.

REICHARD: Joining us now to talk about the drone strike is George Barros. He leads research on Russia for the Institute for the Study of War. He previously advised the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Russia and Ukraine.

George, Good morning.

GEORGE BARROS: Hi, Mary. Good morning. Thank you so much for having me.

REICHARD: So glad you're here. Well, give us the rundown, if you would, what damage did Ukraine do and what did it cost them to stage this attack?

BARROS: Absolutely. So as of now, we are still clarifying the battle damage assessment, as many of the actual sites are still covered by clouds, so satellite centers can't see it all. But from what we know, the Ukrainians claim that they've taken out upwards of 40 Russian strategic bombers and other strategic aircraft such as airborne command and control craft. U.S. intelligence sources reportedly assessed that the Ukrainians took up to, got at least confirmed 20 such bombers. From what we can see from open source intelligence, we're confirming at least the destruction of 10 or 11 of those bombers. But again, that's not that doesn't mean that they haven't hit more. We're still waiting for the clouds to clear so clouds to clear.

These bombers are used to lob air launched cruise missiles against Ukrainian cities, and the Russians have been using them in this capacity for months. They're also high value targets. Many of these bombers, such as the Tupolev Tu-95 they've not been in serial production since the 90s, and it's very difficult to replace them, and in many cases, the Russians operated fewer than assessed 30 or 40 such aircraft in operation for the airborne command and control, fewer than 10 of those. So to lose even just a couple of those is a significant loss to Russia's Air Force.

They also play an important role in Russia's nuclear triad. These are some of the craft that are used to deliver Russia's air-launch nuclear tipped missiles, and so, along with the Russian ground base nuclear weapons and our submarine launched nuclear weapons, these are important in that regards as well.

REICHARD: Now we know that this isn't the first time Ukraine has successfully struck Russia with drones, but this one does stick out in the manner. What do we know about how Ukraine pulled this off?

BARROS: Yeah. So this attack was spectacular insofar as the range was very deep. Some of these air air bases were in the Russian high Arctic. They were in Siberia, upwards of 4000 kilometers far away from the actual fighting in Ukraine. And so that's what made this attack so impressive, Ukrainian intelligence successfully smuggled in false shipping containers that were carried by Russian commercial truckers to drop off points close to the actual air bases. When these false shipping containers got close to the air bases, the roofs popped up and several remotely piloted and also partially AI enabled drones flew out and then closed the final 20 kilometers or so to go get to the airfields and take out all these bombers. It's really the range, the distance, that is impressive here, nowhere in Russia is safe. The Russians had previously redeployed these bombers from air bases that were closer to Ukraine, further away, as the Ukrainians were using longer range missiles, but now the security of distance is no longer a safety net.

REICHARD: You're an expert in warfare and history of warfare, so let me ask you this. Some people are calling this Russia's Pearl Harbor. Others are comparing it to Israel's exploding pager attack on Hezbollah. How significant would you say this strike is in the history of warfare?

BARROS: In the history of warfare. It's very significant. Look, when we've talked about these FPV drones in Ukraine, we typically thought about those at the lowest level of war, the tactical level of warfare, sort of troops-on-troops in combat with each other, using the basic tools that soldiers have to take each other out. But these bombers the Russians took out, these are strategic assets. I mean, this is at the level of warfare of the entire state's resources to wage war and project power globally. And so what we've seen here is the Ukrainians marry up a very simple tool that's used by the everyday war fighter at the front line to be able to cause effects at the strategic level. And that is very interesting. I'd be hesitant to call it Pearl Harbor. I would, I would note that Pearl Harbor was an unprecedented attack from Imperial Japan against the United States, which was not a belligerent. Of course, this is a Ukrainian attack against Russia that has begun a war of conquest against Ukraine, and been waging it for three years. So that's a little bit of an apples and oranges. But from a military science perspective, it's very incredible what the Ukrainians can achieve with these cheap drones.

REICHARD: What notes do you think the U.S. should take from this attack in terms of how we fight and what we need to be on guard for?

BARROS: Any air base that is not secured, that doesn't have hard shelters, for hangars, for aircraft that doesn't have electronic warfare countermeasures is liable to attack. Insider threats are real. Nation state threats are real, simply having a fence around an airfield and posting up a sign that says you're not allowed to fly drones in the vicinity, that's not going to cut it. So there's a massive force protection requirement.

What we also need to realize is that the old way of doing business is currently out of date. Drone warfare is revolutionizing and transforming all of the operational concepts and doctrine for how basic war fighting tasks are done. And currently the U.S. military and NATO, we are not prepared to fight the kind of war that the Russians and the Ukrainians are currently fighting with drones. We are actually, I think, generationally behind the Russian and Ukrainians in military innovation here and the U.S. Army must really go back to the textbooks and rethink the doctrine. There is no single military unit within the U.S. Army, no tank unit, no mechanized infantry unit that currently knows how do you breach an enemy prepared defense in depth, when they also have these drones that can destroy all of your breaching vehicles, that can destroy your tanks before they even get within 10 kilometers of the front line, just as how tanks revolutionized warfare in the 20th century, or how bows and arrows and firearms revolutionized the way that knights in armor used to fight. We need to think about, how do drones revolutionize the future mode of fighting?

REICHARD: George Barros is Russia team and Geospatial Intelligence Team Lead for the Institute for the Study of war. George, thanks so much for joining us.

BARROS: Thank you very much for having me, Mary. Appreciate it.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: a church fights to keep its property.

Church leaders want to build shelters for the homeless in a town that doesn’t have any shelters. But the local zoning board isn’t budging.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Now, the city is threatening to seize the land using eminent domain. The church and community members are pushing back, accusing officials of retaliation and infringing on religious freedom. WORLD’s Lauren Canterberry has the story.

LAUREN CANTERBERRY: At a heated council meeting in Toms River, New Jersey, Christ Episcopal Church fights to keep the local government from taking its land away. Councilman James Quinlisk has some choice words to say about the threat.

QUINLISK: There’s no way on God’s green earth that anybody should vote for this ordinance.

The order in question was announced in April. City officials unexpectedly introduced the ordinance to purchase or seize church land through “eminent domain.”

Under the law, the government can forcibly acquire private property for public use. But only if it notifies the property owner of the intent to take the property. And they also have to offer fair market value compensation.

The ordinance threatens six properties, including Christ Episcopal’s nearly 11-acre parcel. Mayor Daniel Rodrick has grand plans for the five lots on the waterfront of the Toms River. He envisions building a park, pickleball courts, and public river access. And even though the church is about half a mile away, and not attached to the other properties, he says its large parking lot is an attractive feature.

The church had no idea the land was about to be appropriated… until one day before the meeting, when a resident told them what was on the agenda.

Councilman Thomas Nivison sided with the church at the meeting….

NIVISON: I still think we should table it. I’ll second it.

The mayor and other township officials say they are within their rights to acquire the land because a park qualifies as a public purpose.

But some suspect that the town is running afoul of First Amendment protections that prohibit the government from interfering with religious exercise. And it wouldn’t be the first time the town tried to curb religious practices.

The township had previously used zoning codes to severely limit where houses of worship could operate. There was a lawsuit, and they settled the allegations in 2021. Toms River was required to revise its zoning code to reduce restrictions on religious buildings.

During the April meeting, Councilman Quinlisk accused Rodrick of dragging the city back into a fight over religious liberties.

QUINLISK: This is setting up the town for yet another RLUIPA lawsuit. One that I don’t think he understands the scale of.

Mayor Rodrick insists the ordinance was not created to stop people from exercising their faith. But legal experts say the church can still challenge the ordinance in state or federal court by claiming the government had discriminatory intent.

And after fiery debate, the council members voted 4-3 to pass the measure. It’s up for a second and final reading next month.

In a letter to her congregation after the vote, the church’s rector Lisa Hoffman assured members that the church was not for sale. New Jersey Bishop Sally French condemned the council’s move, saying she was saddened to see officials prioritize pickleball over helping those in need. Since the meeting, a petition created by the church has received more than 8,400 signatures and a GoFundMe has raised more than $21,000 for the church’s legal fees.

The vote comes as the church is seeking approval to build a homeless shelter on its property. That request has drawn months of public debate as residents have questioned the safety of a shelter located in a residential neighborhood.

George McAuliffe lives in Toms River, and recently attended yet another zoning board meeting to discuss building the shelter.

MCAULIFFE: The homeless crisis in Ocean County cries out for a comprehensive solution which includes more affordable housing, shelter, mental health and drug addiction counseling. But organized together and located in a place that does not disrupt the entire community.

Christopher Goble spoke at that same meeting to advocate for the shelter. Unlike most of the attendees, Goble doesn’t not have an address in the township. Instead, he is part of the homeless population in the area.

GOBLE: I initially planned to come here tonight with statistics and numbers but I quickly realized it wouldn’t matter. The truth is that there are people in this room that don’t even believe homeless people are people.

But with the threat of eminent domain looming, the church is struggling to see its plans through.

Harvey York is a lawyer representing the church in its fight to keep their land. He believes the ordinance is direct retaliation for the church’s plan to house the homeless. He pointed to the township’s history of discriminating against religious institutions as evidence.

YORK: Now they’re going after the Christ Episcopal Church because the church is doing what churches do - providing for the homeless, the needy, and those who desire help.

As the church awaits the zoning board’s decision next week, York said he is hopeful the request will pass. And if it does not, he has advised the church to file a lawsuit seeking a court order to build the shelter anyway. In regards to the eminent domain ordinance, York is optimistic.

YORK: I am hoping that one of the four council people who voted to approve the ordinance on first reading will change their mind, and there will not be enough votes to proceed.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Lauren Canterberry.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: A grocery store in Thailand had a surprise shopper this week. One with tusks and a trunk!

The wild elephant is well known to local rangers. He even has a name: Plai Biang Lek [ply bee-ung lek] He wandered in from the edge of a national park and raided the shelves for a sandwich, bananas, and rice crackers. Total bill: around $25 in US dollars.

It took a few minutes to escort the pachyderm out, leaving behind a mess and a good story.

As forests shrink in size, Thailand’s elephants are going to town more often, sometimes with tragic results.

This time, though? Just an unpaid tab.

It’s The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Thursday, June 5th.

Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.  Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: helping others.

More than 122 million people were displaced last year, according to the United Nations. Many fled war, terrorism, or disaster—traumas that leave deep emotional scars.

REICHARD: Most will never have access to the care they need. But in Seattle, a group of Christians is equipping a new kind of first responder. WORLD’s Jenny Lind Schmitt attended one of their workshops in Switzerland and brings us their story.

JENNY LIND SCHMITT: In a sun-filled conference room 20 people from all over Europe sway and wave colored silk scarves in rhythm to music playing on a portable speaker. The fabric floats lightly over the sunbeams flowing through big south-facing windows.

Abruptly the music changes to a peppy pop song. Participants giggle as they adjust how the scarves move, sending them jerking around to the beat.

At first, some feel awkward dancing around with scarves. That’s the point. It helps participants understand how their physical and emotional states are connected. ^ And it’s one of several activities designed for what’s known as “emotional first aid.”

Curtis Romjue leads the organization putting on today’s training. It’s called First Aid Arts.

ROMJUE: First Aid Arts is teaching lay people how to facilitate arts-based activities so that people can respond to toxic stress and post traumatic stress in healthy and effective ways.

Romjue co-founded First Aid Arts with his wife Grace in 2010.

In college, the Romjues had a band. It partnered with International Justice Mission, or IJM. At IJM projects in Latin America the Romjues saw firsthand how music helped survivors of modern slavery.

ROMJUE: And especially in non-Western cultures where talk therapy counseling is really a foreign concept, but where the arts are indigenous to every culture on the planet. Music and art and beauty can be welcoming for people that have been through unspeakable things and can't talk about it.

But art or music therapists don’t often work in the developing or war-torn countries where people experience the most trauma. Many times, those caring for former victims are lay church members. And they have no access to formal training.

As the Romjues struggled to address that problem, they met Kathy Stout-Labauve. She headed up IJM’s program to care for survivors.

ROMJUE: And what she said is, we need basically first aid, a first aid version of using music and art for mental health. And that's why our organization is called First Aid Arts. You need to make it for lay people.

The Romjues also got help from several members of their church: a former president of World Vision and Dan Allender, a pioneer in gospel-centered trauma and abuse therapy.

ROMJUE: And so it seemed like God maybe thought this was worth pursuing.

The Romjues sought out world leaders in art and music therapy and trauma care. They asked them to recommend the best activities that would be easy for lay care workers to learn and use. And of those, they then looked for exercises that could easily cross language and cultural barriers.

Now they teach them to emotional first-responders around the world. Today they’re training people who serve displaced communities across Europe.

The exercises are so simple, they’re easy to dismiss: Focused breathing while drawing the petals of a flower. Moving your body to music, alone or as part of a group. Imagining and drawing a calm place.

The exercises are fun, and the group often ends up laughing together. But trainers Laura and Bryan are careful to explain the brain science behind each activity, and how each exercise affects mental and physical states.

LAURA LANSER: What are the physical sensations in your body in your green zone?

Bryan Bedson is the lead trainer for First Aid Arts. When he first met Curtis Romjue, he was intrigued by the project. But his training in talk therapy as a family counselor made him skeptical.

BEDSON: I love the arts, but it’s too simple. It’s like coloring and drawing and simple things. How is this going to help? I just spent two years in this Master’s program…I was skeptical to say the least.

But he started using some of the exercises with children who weren’t able to talk about their situations. The simple activities brought profound behavioral change.

BEDSON: And I saw this happen so many times that I started thinking, ‘Man, these tools are effective, there’s something else going on here.’

As he dug into the brain research, Bedson became more and more convinced of how the First Aid Arts approach could work.

BEDSON: I love getting to get in and give lay care providers and people with very limited resources a tool that they can use right now in the moment to regulate, to breathe. And we know that stabilization is highly effective for preventing the potential for PTSD or other longer-term symptoms to develop too.

Back in the meeting hall, big sheets of paper cover long tables. The participants are paired off. With felt pens on the paper they play follow the leader, copying each other’s drawings. Without saying a word, participants make connections, and the room breaks into laughter.

Beth Horn is creating a PhD project focused on children and trauma. She wants to use these exercises to care for the kids participating in her research.

HORN: …we could do breathing, we could do Shake It Out. I could give them a minute to draw.

Several attendees work with refugee or disadvantaged communities. Three Christian counselors came from Ukraine. It’s part of what Curtis Romjue envisioned years ago: The global church equipped to care well for hurting people.

ROMJUE: As one of our refugee trainees said, that our experience together, engaging the arts in community, reminded her that life is still beautiful, even though she had just have had to flee her her hometown in Odessa, and doesn't know when or If she'll be able to go back. And so that's been very meaningful to me, that we get to bring light and hope and beauty into some dark places.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Jenny Lind Schmitt in Seewis, Switzerland.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Thursday, June 5th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

MARY REICHARD, HOST:  And I’m Mary Reichard. President Trump’s “big beautiful bill” —is it more sizzle than steak? Here’s WORLD commentator Cal Thomas.

CAL THOMAS: After many years living in and covering Washington, I’ve learned that if you don’t trust politicians you will never be disappointed.

President Trump and the House Republican leadership promised that what Trump called “the one, big, beautiful bill” would, among other things, reduce the $36 trillion dollar federal debt. No less an expert than the non-politician Elon Musk told CBS News:

MUSK: I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit.

Musk’s remarks came as his special government employee term expired. Under his leadership, DOGE exposed billions of dollars in government waste, fraud and abuse. Many of those proposed cuts can’t be found in the big, beautiful bill as Federal judges are blocking some of them. That only adds to the problem, allowing the deficit and debt to increase.

Massive debt is a relatively new phenomenon. According to U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data, the last time the federal government had a balanced budget was in 2001. Before that, balanced budgets were achieved in 1969, 1998, 1999 and 2000. It’s not impossible to balance the budget. What is lacking is the will.

The bill certainly is big, more than 11-hundred pages as now written. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it’s worth a second and third look. That large a bill means many won’t read it, which is what politicians no doubt hope will happen. It’s how they sneak through spending they otherwise might not be able to defend if it were known.

The bill is now before the Senate, which is likely to make major changes. It does include some revenue enhancements and spending cuts—but not nearly enough. The Tax Foundation is not impressed by the hype from the president and House Republican leaders. It writes: “Rather than making the most pro-growth features permanent, the bill spends far too much money on political gimmicks and carveouts, resulting in a package that provides a modest boost to the economy but at a huge fiscal cost.”

As if the tax code isn’t long and complicated enough, this bill makes it even more so. Again, the Tax Foundation analysis says “(The bill sends) taxpayers through a maze of new rules and compliance costs that in many cases probably outweigh any potential tax benefits. No tax on tips, overtime, and car loans comes with various conditions and guard rails that, if enacted, will likely require hundreds of pages of IRS guidance to interpret.”

The federal tax code is already 6,871 pages long. It’s so complex that the Treasury Department’s interpretation of the code brings the page count to 75,000. Do we really want more complexity?

What about Trump’s promise of no tax on Social Security benefits? The Wall Street Journal describes the bill a “half measure” … giving seniors “a temporary extra deduction of $4 thousand dollars.” The report goes on to say that “this alternative… would leave many people still paying income taxes on Social Security benefits.”

A flat tax and mandating balanced budgets except in wartime, is the answer to all of this. It would simplify everything and end the frustration many feel each April 15th, trying to understand forms and regulations that make a foreign language you haven’t studied seem easier to understand.

That isn’t likely to happen, as Members of Congress have used the tax code and spending for decades to favor certain constituencies that help keep them in office. As long as that is the primary goal of so many politicians, the bills they pass are likely to remain big, but more ugly than beautiful.

I’m Cal Thomas.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Tomorrow: John Stonestreet joins us for Culture Friday. And, WORLD’s music critic Arsenio Orteza checks out a new album from a keyboardist turned pastor, who’s still making music worth hearing. That and more tomorrow.

I’m Mary Reichard.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.

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