The World and Everything in It: June 3, 2025

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

Regulating AI! For child-safety advocates, it’s an urgent priority.

ESTES: We have to put a line in the sand now, because they will keep going until someone stops them.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Also today, NPR sues President Trump, saying cutting funding cuts free speech.

And a former university administrator speaks out after losing his job over gender ideology.

JOSEPHSON: I was told not to come to various faculty meetings. People didn't want to hear what I was going to say, even though I wasn't a rabble rouser by any means.

And WORLD Opinions contributor Carl Trueman on “Pride month.”

REICHARD: It’s Tuesday, June 3rd. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Time for news now with Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Colorado attack » The man accused of carrying out what the FBI is calling a terror attack in Colorado on Sunday is now facing numerous federal and state felony charges.

Those include 16 counts of attempted murder and a federal hate crime charge.

U.S. Attorney Bishop Grewell says the suspect is 45-year-old Egyptian national Mohamed Sabry Soliman.

GREWELL:  Mr. Soliman stated that he had been planning this attack for a year, and he acted because he hated what he called the Zionist group.

Soliman allegedly attacked a group of peaceful demonstrators who had gathered to raise awareness about Israeli hostages in Gaza.

FBI special agent Mark Michalek says it was clearly a targeted terror attack.

MICHALEK:  Witnesses are reporting that the subject used a makeshift flame thrower and threw an incendiary device into the crowd. The suspect was heard to yell free Palestine during the attack.

Local authorities say victims suffered injuries ranging from minor to very serious.

DHS officials say Soliman came to the United States in 2022 on a B2 visa and illegally overstayed that visa, which expired in 2023.

CO attack reaction » That attack in Boulder, Colorado has drawn swift condemnation from Washington to Israel. On Capitol Hill, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Monday:

SCHUMER:  It was an elderly group of people peacefully calling for the release of hostages held by Hamas, brutally attacked on the Jewish holiday of Shavuot.

And Republican Sen. John Thune added …

THUNE:  There is no place for this kind of violence in our society, and we must forcefully condemn antisemitism and do everything we can to stand with and protect our Jewish neighbors.

Meantime, Israeli Ambassador to the UN Danny Danon expressed gratitude for the solidarity, but he said more must be done to combat antisemitism in America.

DANON:  We appreciate the, the world's, the statements, the declarations, but now it's time for action.

The attack in Colorado came less than two weeks after two Israeli embassy staffers were gunned down in front of a Jewish museum in Washington.

Russia/Ukraine talks » Negotiators from Russia and Ukraine gathered in Istanbul again on Monday to resume peace talks, but not much to show for it so far.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told reporters:

ZELENSKYY:  The starting point should be a ceasefire and humanitarian actions, the release of prisoners and the return of abducted children.

Both sides agreed to exchange the bodies of 6,000 fallen soldiers and seriously wounded troops:

ZELENSKYY: They exchanged documents and we are preparing a new release of prisoners of the war.

But aside from that, no real progress to report on Monday.

The Ukrainian delegation said Russia presented a memo outlining Russia’s terms for ending the war. Officials in Kyiv said they’ll need a week to review the document.

Ukraine has previously rejected many of Moscow’s demands in the past, such as giving up Ukrainian land now occupied by Russian forces, declaring neutrality, and abandoning NATO ambitions.

Ukraine drone strike » Meantime, Ukraine landed a serious blow against Russia’s strategic arsenal with a surprise drone attack. WORLD’s Benjamin Eicher has more.

BENJAMIN EICHER: President Zelenskyy described the covert operation as one for the “history books.”

Ukraine says it damaged or destroyed nearly a third of Russia’s strategic bomber fleet on Sunday.

And it reportedly did that with cheaply made drones carefully sneaked across the border over the span of 18 months. The drones were then launched at the same time from hidden trucks near the targeted airbases.

The attack encapsulates Ukraine’s wartime strategy. Outnumbered, outgunned, and dependent on Western partners, military commanders have sought innovative and cost-effective ways to land serious punches in the war.

For WORLD, I’m Benjamin Eicher.

ICE Boston arrests » Federal authorities say Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested more than 14-hundred accused illegal immigrants in Massachusetts, including some accused of serious crimes.

The effort was dubbed "Operation Patriot", and US Attorney for the District of Massachusetts Leah Foley said Monday:

FOLEY:  Those arrested included individuals who pumped deadly narcotics into our neighborhoods. Trafficked firearms for transnational criminal organizations, defrauded the government benefit programs, and in some cases preyed on vulnerable children.

Democrats in Boston have accused the Trump administration of sewing fear. But Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons fired back:

LYONS:  Boston's my hometown, and it really shocks me that officials all over Massachusetts would rather release sex offenders, fentanyl dealers, drug dealers, human traffickers, and child rapists back into the neighborhoods.

Democratic Governor Maura Healey is criticizing the operation after ICE agents arrested an 18-year-old high school student heading to volleyball practice over the weekend.

Starmer announces submarine production » The U.K. will manufacture new nuclear-powered attack submarines. And it plans to build an army ready to fight a war in Europe as part of a boost to military spending.

Prime Minister Keir Starmer says going forward, “war-fighting readiness” will be the “central purpose” of British armed forces.

STARMER: When we are being directly threatened by states with advanced military forces, the most effective way to deter them is to be ready … and frankly, to show them that we're ready to deliver peace through strength.

The buildup is designed to send a message to Moscow.

It’s also meant to signal to Washington that the UK is stepping up and pulling its weight within the NATO alliance.

Starmer says U.K. defense spending will hit 2.5% of GDP by 2027 and will aim for 3% by 2034.

I'm Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: should the government regulate artificial intelligence? Plus, the battle over tax-payer funding for national public radio and PBS.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Tuesday, the 3rd of June.

This is WORLD Radio and we’re so glad you’ve joined us today. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

First up on The World and Everything in It, moving the guardrails for artificial intelligence.

This week, the Senate takes up President Trump’s budget proposal. It’s more than a thousand pages on taxes and spending. But buried in the fine print is a clause that would prevent states over the next decade from enforcing their own AI laws.

REICHARD: Supporters say it’s about streamlining innovation. Others say it could affect efforts to protect children.

With writing and reporting from Harrison Watters in Washington, here is WORLD’s Anna Johnansen Brown.

ANNA JOHANSEN BROWN: Before tackling his newest project, Tim Estes developed tools to track down terrorists and traffickers. Now, he’s working on making AI safe for children.

ESTES: So many of the applications today that parents allow their kids to use, I don't think they fully realize, like, how much they have been engineered to addict them and to amuse their attention, and then how much they're left wide open into various harms.

Estes founded AngelQ to develop an AI-powered web browser. It adapts and filters the internet to children in age-appropriate ways.

But he knows not all AI companies have noble intentions.

ESTES: There comes a competition between companies to make it more and more engaging, and the kids are gonna get strip mined, you know, for their attention.

In May, Estes joined researchers from the Heat Initiative and Social Media Victims Law Center to publish a statement. It called for federal guidelines in developing AI tools.

ESTES: We have to put a line in the sand now, because they will keep going until someone stops them. Unfortunately, they've had a decade of driving forward, promising to self-regulate, and we've seen in social networking that is a joke.

Some of the statement’s proposals appear in a piece of legislation recently put forward in the Senate. In May, Tennessee Senator Marsha Blackburn reintroduced the Kids Online Safety Act. The bill aims to hold social media platforms and other internet companies accountable for harmful content, and push them to take steps to protect minors online.

But first, lawmakers have a different piece of legislation on the table, a budget reconciliation bill. It contains a decade-long moratorium on state laws that limit or restrict AI systems.

YOST: Ten years is an eternity.

Dave Yost is Attorney General for the state of Ohio. He joined nearly 40 other state Attorneys General calling on Congress to delete the AI policy.

They note that the bill would upend hundreds of pending or enacted laws about AI-generated content and data privacy.

Yost says Congress has a legitimate interest in regulating interstate commerce, but blocking states from regulating AI goes too far.

YOST: If Congress means to create a national standard, they need to do that, not just try to tell the states that they may not act to protect their citizens.

The White House sees it a little differently.

Venture capitalist David Sacks serves as President Trump’s top advisor on AI. Over the weekend, he talked about the risks of AI on his business podcast.

SACKS: I would say that China winning the AI race is a huge risk. I don't really want to see a CCP AI running the world. And if you hobble our own innovation, our own AI efforts, in the name of stomping out every possibility of X risk, then you probably end up losing the AI race to China because they're not going to abide by those same regulations.

In January, President Trump revoked a 2023 order from President Biden that he said put too much red tape around AI development. He’s since called for greater freedom for AI companies to develop models to rival those developed by China.

Tech developer Tim Estes says clearing red tape does not have to come at the expense of removing guardrails.

ESTES: I think America is big enough and thoughtful enough to actually have amazing, revolutionary AI that has to satisfy basic safety concerns. Just like having the best planes in the world with safety has not stopped us.

Even some generally in favor of deregulation are worried. Wes Hodges is Acting Director of the Center for Technology and the Human Person at the Heritage Foundation.

HODGES: Unless they're hiding something behind the curtain, it seems like it is taking away the protections without offering you know, that federal standard in return, and that does concern me.

Last month, Hodges joined Tim Estes and other groups calling for federal guidelines. This bill is not what he expected.

HODGES: Suddenly, anything that targets an algorithm or AI, depending on, you know, the definitions of this language that we're discussing, suddenly are would be stopped, would not be able to be enforced.

Senate Republicans are split on regulating AI. Texas Senator Ted Cruz has called for a light touch. Here he is during a Commerce subcommittee hearing in May.

CRUZ: Do we go down the path that embraces our history of entrepreneurial freedom and technological innovation? Or do we adopt the command and control policies of Europe?

Meanwhile, Missouri Senator Josh Hawley has said he will do everything he can to kill the AI provision before the bill goes to President Trump’s desk.

With Senators back from recess, committees will get to work reviewing the budget reconciliation bill this week. Ohio Attorney general Dave Yost expects Senators to receive a lot of feedback from their constituents.

YOST: AGS are talking to their Congress people, just like the lobbyists for big tech are talking with Congress folks.

Tim Estes hopes lawmakers will weigh the benefits of developing AI carefully alongside the costs of user safety.

ESTES: This is very strictly capitalism at the expense of kids and at the expense of adults too, running amok.

For WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen Brown.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: a high-stakes showdown between National Public Radio and the Trump administration.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: This month, the president issued an executive order to cut off federal funding for public media, and last week, NPR sued to keep the money flowing.

WORLD’s Mary Muncy reports.

ANGIE WITT: I think around here, is it 90.3 FM, I think, or 90.1 close to that.

MARY MUNCY: In Sioux Center, Iowa, Angie Witt gets her news from the radio. She’s concerned about President Donald Trump’s order.

WITT: I'll lose listening to programs that I really enjoy, and then I really trust Public Radio, and so then I'll have to search for some other news source that isn't going to be skewed or biased one way or another.

But not everyone believes Public Radio is unbiased.

JACKIE: I, you know, take everything with a grain of salt.

Jackie listens to National Public Radio, or NPR, when she’s driving.

JACKIE: I think it'd be sad, but I mean, I get most of my news from internet so … and I don't have a TV so I'm kind of irregular that way. But I don't think the government should be funding things like that.

And Trump agrees. His order is called “ending taxpayer subsidization of biased media.”

For the past few years, Congress has appointed more than $500 million dollars to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, or CPB. CPB puts money toward TV and radio programming, and stations can apply for grants. They also pay for music licenses and provide system support.

The executive order says CPB must stop funding NPR and the Public Broadcasting Service, or PBS.

NORMAN: We're about 18% funded from CPB.

Heather Norman is the president of the Illinois Public Broadcasting Council and the general manager of Tri States Public Radio in Macomb, Illinois, a university town.

NORMAN: So you could use them for salary support. You could use them to pay for national programming. You know, it's really up to you what you do.

Norman’s station uses CPB funding for national programming. That’s things like a jazz program out of Indiana, classical music out of Chicago, or national news from NPR. In other words, a lot of the station’s programming.

So, if Norman doesn’t get the grant money from CPB, they’ll have less to spend on their own local reporting and maintaining their infrastructure. Infrastructure that’s important in emergencies.

NORMAN: All the public radio stations are part of a federal system, so if there was ever a national emergency, it is our system that that information would first go out on.

After Trump’s order, public media stations started fundraising to fill the gap. So far, Norman says it’s been going well, but:

NORMAN: Our grant is about 18% of our budget. Are they going to be able to make up that 18%? Likely not.

Norman sees that as a reason to keep government funding coming. Others think that means people don’t actually value it as much as they say they do.

SAUL: If a news organization can't stand up on its own, then I don't think the government should just supplement it.

Isaac Saul runs an independent newsletter called Tangle. He’s written about fairness in the media and how to incentivize accurate journalism.

SAUL: 80% of our revenue comes from memberships. The other 20% comes from advertising donations, the occasional event. And that membership revenue allows us to really stay true to our mission.

In other words, Tangle doesn’t have to worry about an investor, an advertiser, or the government pulling their funding over something they say. Instead, they have to deliver on their promises to their audience.

SAUL: News organizations jobs, generally speaking, especially in the world of politics and government, are to cover the agencies that are now funding them. So there's an inherent conflict of interest there.

Whether the government should stop funding public media is one thing. But what about whether it can? David Gibbs is the general council for the National Center for Life and Liberty.

GIBBS: NPR and a number of their stations in Colorado have sued and argued that that is an illegal act for a number of reasons.

NPR’s case cites a few reasons why it believes the order shouldn’t stand.

GIBBS: One reason is just that it was authorized through Congress, and under our Constitution, the Congress is the one that is to control programs and funding.

So, the question is: can the executive branch reverse what Congress has done? Gibbs says probably not.

GIBBS: But then a major issue that is being raised by NPR and others is that it is a violation of the First Amendment free speech under the Constitution.

In the executive order, Trump specifically calls out NPR and PBS for being biased. NPR says Trump is punishing them because he doesn’t like what they say, calling it viewpoint discrimination.

GIBBS: And when you go to specific government actions attacking the viewpoint of a speaker or a media outlet, the judges and the courts tend to give that the highest level of First Amendment protection.

Gibbs says the government will likely argue that it's not censoring, it's just taking away funding. Something that it has every right to do.

GIBBS: The government is very protected in how they handle discretionary spending. The government runs into great limitation when they start targeting individual institutions or people because of their viewpoint.

Gibbs says if Congress had acted to reduce or eliminate funding as part of its budget cuts, it would be a lot harder for NPR to make a viewpoint discrimination case.

Trump’s order says “which viewpoints NPR and PBS promote does not matter,” only that they inaccurately portray current events. But Gibbs says Trump calling out those platforms on social media may stymie his plans.

But, for now, the order stands, and if NPR loses, CPB will stop funding NPR and PBS by the end of the month.

GIBBS: Certainly, as people of faith, want good speech, healthy speech, wholesome speech. But when you start protecting speech based on whether you like it or not, you do begin down a slippery slope that could have consequences that no one truly intends.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Mary Muncy.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Sounds impossible, but true: The grandson of President John Tyler—born during the George Washington presidency—has just passed away during Trump 47.

Here’s the generational math: President Tyler had a son at age 63. That son became a dad at 75, and that boy—Harrison Ruffin Tyler—made it well into 2025: age 96.

Three generations—two-plus centuries. The archive audio from CBS: 

TYLER: My grandfather was born in 1790. My father was born in 1853. I was born in 1928. And so that’s how we get to where we are.

He did speak to the family habit of late-in-life arrows in the quiver.

TYLER: I got one wife who’s still going strong and that’s enough. We’re not going that route again. [laughs]

It’s The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Tuesday, June 3rd.

Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: bad psychology.

About 10 years ago, child psychologist Dr. Allan Josephson began raising concerns about a sudden rise in children identifying as the opposite sex. That and the rush to respond to it with so-called gender-affirming care. When Dr. Josephson shared those views publicly, he was demoted, then dismissed from his post at the University of Louisville.

REICHARD: Now, years later, the university is paying the price. WORLD Reporter Travis Kircher has the story.

TRAVIS KIRCHER: The University of Louisville School of Medicine’s pediatrics department sits in the heart of downtown Louisville. It’s part of U of L’s effort to become a premier, nationally recognized metropolitan research university and to teach the next generation of doctors and nurses.

But in 2003, the school’s Pediatric Psychiatry and Psychology division was struggling. That’s why the school hired Dr. Allan Josephson to become its chief.

JOSEPHSON: By then, I developed a national reputation in family therapy, family work, family assistance, and they wanted someone like that, but also someone who had leadership skills. And by then…

Josephson says he was hired to put the school’s child psychology and psychiatry division on the map…In his 14 years of leadership, the division quadrupled the size of its faculty, and expanded its training, services, and national profile.. Things were changing for the better. Meanwhile, Dr. Josephson was noticing another change, this one in younger patients visiting the clinic:

JOSEPHSON: This issue kept coming up again and again and again…

Boys thought they were girls, girls thought they were boys. Josephson said this was something new.

JOSEPHSON: It wasn't always there and that's a fundamental thing to understanding this whole thing. It was virtually non existent 15 years ago. We didn't see any of these kids...then, probably about 10 years ago, it began to pop up all over the place.

The medical community began to use a new term “rapid-onset gender dysphoria.”

JOSEPHSON: Groups of girls…would show up together—that they all had it. I mean, if it weren't so serious, it would be laughable... that's why many of us strongly believe this does not have biological origins. This is psychological and social origins.

Josephson favored a therapeutic approach to treat minors and adolescents with gender dysphoria. But the medical community was rapidly embracing puberty blockers…then hormone therapy…and even, surgical treatment to mask sex characteristics.

Josephson said he saw the effects of so-called gender-affirming care as permanent, drastic, and dangerous for minors. In October 2017, he and three other pediatric specialists spoke out against the approach in a Washington forum hosted by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation.

JOSEPHSON: Parents, children need help. And they're not getting help because of this phenomenon. And I’m not gonna use the word “abuse,” but…

Back home, that got people talking..

JOSEPHSON: And there were colleagues in the university who saw it and didn't like what I said.

Court documents show that two weeks after the forum, the director of U of L’s LGBT Center emailed the dean of the School of Medicine. He wrote that Josephson’s presentation, “raised his professional profile as someone who denies transgender identity.” The email went on to accuse Josephson of ethical violations.

Another concern was about a federal case in which Josephson had agreed to testify as an expert witness. The case involved which school bathrooms trans-identifying students should use. Josephson says his faith in Christ—and in objective science—moved him to want to testify.

JOSEPHSON: The truth is that we were made in God's image. There were made men and women, that we have a biological truth to the universe. First, and if you just try to change that, you're going against God's law.

But court records show Josephson's colleagues were complaining behind his back. An assistant professor in Josephson's own division alerted the director of an LGBT Center at the school...to let her know about Josephson's upcoming testimony. The director called the idea ugly and concerning.

Josephson said no one approached him directly.

JOSEPHSON: No one ever talked to me. I never had anyone sit down with me and said, “What is going on with your teaching? I've been hearing things.” Nobody did that.

But less than two months after the Heritage presentation, Josephson received an official letter from his boss: It demanded he resign as division chief…or be removed. Josephson offered his resignation the next day. He was demoted to what he characterizes as a junior faculty member.

JOSEPHSON: I was removed from my position of leadership, was taken away from chief of child psychiatry, which was a big deal. I was nationally known for this. I'd worked hard, gotten recognition, we’d built a division.

Dr. Jennifer Le ultimately took Josephson's place and continues to serve as the division's chief. In an email after his resignation, Le told colleagues that in her words, the bus was moving in the right direction—and they needed to figure out who wanted on...or needed to get off.

Josephson said he felt betrayed by his colleagues. At the same time, some in his office supported him–but only privately.

JOSEPHSON: I'd have people come into my office quietly, look to the side, close the door behind them, and essentially say something like this: “Doctor, you know, I really agree with you. I think your ideas are good, but I can't say it publicly. I just can't speak out.” And they're, of course, fearing their jobs…

In 2019, the school allowed Josephson’s contract to expire. Court documents show the school claimed he wasn’t fulfilling the demands of his workloads. He was without a job. He sued the School of Medicine…alleging his demotion violated his First Amendment right to freedom of speech, as well as his 14th Amendment rights to due process and equal protection. In April, the school agreed to pay him $1.6 million dollars.

Alliance Defending Freedom Attorney Tyson Langhofer represented Josephson. He says most of Josephson’s coworkers who were indignant over Josephson’s appearance at the Heritage Foundation forum…never even bothered to watch it.

LANGHOFER: We asked them in depositions, what did you object to? They couldn't name it because they didn't watch his remarks. They simply knew that it didn’t align with the party line.

Both Langhofer and Josephson insist that the next generation of healthcare workers should be taught by doctors—not activists.

JOSEPHSON: Talking with a lot of young parents these days, where children are moving on, they'll say, “I'm not sure I want to send my kid to a university when they’re like that.” What do you say to that, you know?

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Travis Kircher. In Louisville, Kentucky.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Tuesday, June 3rd. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. Up next, what we choose to celebrate.

Veterans get a day. Martin Luther King Jr. gets a day. The Pilgrims get a long weekend. But the LGBTQ movement? It gets an entire month. What is the message? Here’s WORLD Opinions contributor Carl Trueman.

CARL TRUEMAN: How a society marks time reflects what it thinks is important. The 30-day allowance given to Pride is no exception. It is clearly considered very important indeed. Simple math suggests it’s 30 times more so than MLK—making the claim improbable that the LGBTQ community is somehow marginalized.

Pride month has become a reminder over the years for many Christians that we are strangers in an increasingly strange land. Values such as sexual continence, public modesty, and the need to protect children from garish displays of promiscuity have been in short supply for many years. Pride month exemplifies that.

Yet there does seem to have been a shift. Three years ago, I was in Toronto in June. The Pride flag was everywhere, far more visible than that of Canada itself. The same was true when a week or two later I walked through Philadelphia. Any visitor from another planet could have been forgiven for thinking it was the values of the LGBTQ community that provided the unifying principle of the culture, not some shared national narrative. And yet in the two years since, the month’s sexual radicalism seems to have become much more muted.

One reason is likely the fact that the T, the trans issue, was always a step too far. It flew in the face of common sense, and it intruded into everyone’s lives in ways that gay marriage did not. The experiences of Target and Budweiser revealed the public relations problem. People who had no objection to two men living together in a sexual relationship might still have very strong opinions about other things. Like their daughter’s privacy being compromised, or sports being reduced to nonsense by third-rate male swimmers defeating top female competitors, or male rapists being allowed in women’s prisons like children given a free-hand in the candy store. Add to that the way in which the issue has been used to attack parental rights. The presence of the T in the Pride alliance became a terrible public relations liability.

Whether the trend of Pride month being more low-key and less ubiquitous continues remains to be seen. We can only hope that it does so. But as Christians we must also ask whether some of this is due to developments that are less encouraging than a dose of sanity on the trans issue. It may well be that the sound and fury is dying down because so much of that which it was intended to achieve has been accomplished.

Gay marriage did not destroy the world as we know it. That’s because marriage had been destroyed long ago with the advent of no-fault divorce. It turned the institution into a sentimental bond, not a relationship designed for both companionship and procreation. It downgraded children, making them peripheral to any normative understanding of the marital union. And that made the necessarily sterile notion of gay marriage entirely plausible. It also reinforced the acceptability, even desirability, of IVF and surrogacy. All of these things are now normalized, and all raise very serious challenges for Christians.

As we head into another Pride month, we can hope this year will continue the trend of becoming more low-key. A less pornified public square benefits us all. But if it does so, it would be premature to assume that this is unmitigated good news. It might simply indicate that so much of Pride’s ambitions have become an intuitive part of our culture and that orthodox Christian attitudes are even more outlandish than they were before.

I’m Carl Trueman.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: Washington Wednesday. WORLD’s Leo Briceno on the performance of health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. That and more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

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