The World and Everything in It: July 23, 2024
Congress questions Secret Service director about the assassination attempt, a software update causes worldwide disruption, and the ministry of midwives. Plus, Janie B. Cheaney on a proper utopia and the Tuesday morning news
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MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning! The head of the Secret Service faces the House Oversight Committee.
COMER: The Secret Service has a zero-fail mission but it failed on July 13th and in the days leading up to the rally.
And it just got worse from there. We have a report.
NICK EICHER, HOST: Also today, a massive outage exposes a weakness in global technology. We’ll talk with an expert.
And later an alternative to the maternity ward.
AUDIO: The midwifery model is trusting in the design of the Creator.
And WORLD commentator Janie B. Cheaney says the problem with utopias is they don’t even work in fiction.
REICHARD: It’s Tuesday, July 23rd. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.
EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!
REICHARD: Time now for news with Paul Butler.
AUDIO : [Gavel] I want to welcome everyone here today. Without objection, the chair may declare a recess at any time.
PAUL BUTLER, NEWS ANCHOR: Secret Service hearing » House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer gaveling in a hearing to examine the security failures that almost led to the assassination of former President Donald Trump.
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle took center stage at that hearing testifying to her own agency’s role in the breakdown:
CHEATLE: The Secret Service's solemn mission is to protect our nation's leaders. On July 13th, we failed. As the director of the United States Secret Service, I take full responsibility for any security lapse of our agency.
Cheatle went on to admit that the Secret Service was repeatedly notified that there was a suspicious person in the area, but made no efforts to halt the rally.
Committee members had tough questions for Cheatle, but she dodged many of them saying the FBI investigation is still ongoing. GOP Congresswoman Lisa McClain said she wasn’t impressed by Cheatle’s responses.
MCCLAIN: The Secret Service has a leadership problem, and it falls on you. And although I appreciate your hollow words that the buck stops here, I was actually hoping for some answers.
And not all of the criticism came from Republicans. Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez questioned why Cheatle has been so slow to provide answers to Congress.
CORTEZ: The notion of a report coming out in 60 days when the threat environment is so high in the United States, irrespective of party, is not acceptable.
Republican Congressman Mark Green said in his view, there’s only one appropriate response to the investigation: a change of leadership.
GREEN: If you're an elite unit, which the Secret Service should be, that's what happens when you screw up. You're fired. And she needs to go.
Cheatle remains defiant saying she has no intention to voluntarily resign.
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Homeland Security House Committee tours the site of Trump rally » Meanwhile, the House Homeland Security Committee on Monday visited the Pennsylvania site first hand to learn what may have led to the security failures.
The ten members were briefed on repeated requests by Trump’s security detail for additional resources requests that top officials at the Secret Service reportedly denied.
Mississippi Republican Representative Michael Guest:
GUEST: Those lack of resources required secret service to depend more heavily on local law enforcement. And we know that the secret service failed to secure a strategic location with a direct line of sight to where the president was speaking.
Democrat Representative Glenn Ivey of Maryland said what he saw raises a lot of additional questions.
IVEY: I think there's a lot of issues here that probably strongly suggested we never should have had the event here to start with…I think we definitely want to make sure we investigate those and get to the bottom of what happened that day.
During a press conference after the tour, many of the representatives said they were ready to add their voices calling for Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle’s resignation.
Support coalescing around Harris » It’s been a busy couple of days for Vice President Kamala Harris—officially launching her presidential campaign and raking in $81 million within the first 24 hours.
The Biden campaign team rebranded its website Monday to feature a “Harris for President” logo and merchandise featuring the vice president. Harris visited campaign staff at headquarters in Delaware yesterday.
With Biden out of the presidential race many leading Democrats are now lining up to throw their support behind the current vice president as the Democratic nominee.
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro told reporters yesterday that Harris is the perfect choice:
SHAPIRO: Not only because of how honorably she has served in the past, but how absolutely ready she is to be president and to be the standard bearer for our Party.
Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear says he’s also firmly behind the vice president and touted a personal phone call he received from her Sunday.
BESHEAR: I pledged my support to her, and the rest of that conversation, I said would stay between us we have a trust and we're able to exchange ideas and give advice oftentimes, it's her giving me advice, sometimes it's me giving her advice, but it meant it meant the world to have a direct call.
Other Harris supporters include House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, and California Governor Gavin Newsom.
Some Democratic leaders are remaining silent though. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and current Speaker Hakeem Jeffries have yet to endorse Harris.
Harris VP » If Vice President Kamala Harris replaces President Biden at the top of the ticket, that begs the question: Who replaces Harris as the vice presidential nominee?
Some momentum is growing behind Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly.
Rhode Island delegate Kristen Peters-Hamlin is among those backing Kelly for several reasons:
HAMLIN: Arizona is a swing state. He's done very well in Arizona, attracting Latinos and suburban women who are key to winning this election.
She said the center-left senator could help appeal to more moderate voters, a possible counterbalance to Harris’ hard left ideology. And …
HAMLIN: Replacing him in the Senate would be easy because of the Constitution in Arizona, which requires that it be from the same party.
Other top names in the rumor mill include Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear and Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro.
Israel update » The Israel Defense Forces are ordering Palestinian civilians to evacuate the southern refuge city of Khan Yunis ahead of an operation against Hamas terrorists in southern Gaza.
IDF intel shows terrorist infrastructure in the designated humanitarian area and significant terror activity, including rocket attacks launched from the region.
The operation comes as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu heads to D.C. to address Congress and meet with President Biden.
NETANYAHU: I will tell my friends on both sides of the aisle that regardless who the American people choose as their next president, Israel remains America's indispensable and strong ally in the Middle East.
The prime minister is looking to anchor bipartisan support for Israel ahead of a potential power shift this fall.
I’m Paul Butler.
Straight ahead: The Secret Service in the hot seat. Plus, the rise of home births in America.
This is The World and Everything in It.
MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Tuesday the 23rd of July. You’re listening to WORLD Radio and we thank you for joining us today. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.
NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.
First up on The World and Everything in It: the Secret Service facing some accountability for the biggest fail in four decades.
The House Oversight Committee yesterday grilled Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle …
Republicans and Democrats alike peppered Cheatle. They had questions about her agency’s failure to prevent a would-be assassin from opening fire on former President Donald Trump.
Cheatle said she took responsibility for the failure, but side-stepped numerous questions.
REICHARD: Here now with more from that hearing is WORLD Radio’s Mary Muncy.
JAMES COMER: The Secret Service has a zero-fail mission and it failed on July 13th.....
MARY MUNCY: Representative James Comer told the House Oversight Committee that lawmakers are concerned the Secret Service lacks the “proper management” to protect their charges.
COMER: A little over a week ago, Americans watched in horror as a shooter attempted to assassinate President Donald J. Trump at a campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Thomas Crooks fired from the roof of a building about 400 feet away. He shot Trump in the ear, killed one rallygoer, and injured two others.
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle said that she takes responsibility, but said she would not resign.
KIMBERLY CHEATLE: I think that I am the best person to lead the Secret Service at this time.
Comer questioned Cheatle on why no one had secured the building Crooks shot from.
COMER: Wasn’t that building within the perimeter that should be secured. Do we agree with that?
CHEATLE: The building was outside the perimeter on the day of the visit. But again, that is one of the things that during the investigation we want to take a look at and determine whether or not other decisions should have been made.
Other lawmakers asked why Trump’s Secret Service detail allowed him to take the stage after local law enforcement identified a suspicious person about 20 minutes before his speech.
But Cheatle made a distinction between a threat and a suspicious person.
CHEATLE: If the detail had been passed information that there was a threat, the detail would never have brought the former president out onto stage.
Cheatle says law enforcement tried and failed to find Crooks before the shooting.
Lawmakers also questioned Cheatle about the weapons Crooks used, whether Cheatle’s hiring practices led to a lack of talented agents, and what she is using taxpayer dollars for.
There were also several questions that Cheatle said she couldn’t answer until the Secret Service and the FBI’s investigations are complete and that could take months.
So, in the meantime, how are events like the Butler rally supposed to be protected, and did the Secret Service take adequate precautions?
JEFF JAMES: Every site we went to there was a suspicious person.
Jeff James is a security adviser and a retired Secret Service Agent. He served on former President George W. Bush’s detail.
JAMES: You'd hear local law enforcement call it out, or our people would call it out, and we would send agents out to talk to that person. That's one of the disappointing things that happened last Saturday was that local law enforcement deemed this person suspicious, but nobody ever went over to him.
But James says the fact that there was someone deemed suspicious doesn’t necessarily mean that person has the means or intent to act.
JAMES: It's a very fine line, because if you run out there and grab the president by the back of his suit jacket and yank him off the stage, and you're wrong, it's incredibly embarrassing for the President. Embarrassing for you and but I gotta say, in big picture terms, it doesn't take much.
James says during his 22 years as a Secret Service agent his teams stopped several known assassination plots.
JAMES: The other part of it is, you don't know how many attacks you stop just by your presence.
But when it’s an outdoor space, it gets hard to have a presence everywhere.
JAMES: Heavy mortars can shoot from 9000 yards away. Medium mortars can shoot from 4000 yards away, and guess what? There is nothing you can do to stop it.
James didn’t secure the event in Butler, so he doesn’t know what went into establishing the perimeter. But he says eventually a team has to stop expanding the perimeter and rely on snipers and local law enforcement to secure the area.
Even if the Secret Service did take every precaution, this incident will likely prompt changes, like what happened after the attempt on Ronald Reagan’s life in 1981.
THOMAS BAKER: The Secret Service changed a lot of their procedures after that.
Thomas Baker was the first FBI agent on the scene after that assassination attempt and the author of The Fall of the FBI.
Though people today might know a president or candidate is speaking somewhere, the itinerary isn’t published in the paper like it used to be.
BAKER: At these fixed locations, like a hotel where a president or some other protected person is talking, they started using metal detectors, then screen everybody coming in, in the crowd, through metal detectors.
During the hearing, Cheatle said the agency is already working on its own changes and that the Secret Service will release its report on what happened in about two months.
James isn’t sure replacing Cheatle would fix underlying problems, and he’ll be looking for whether the problem is systemic or a one-time security lapse.
JAMES: The possibility for a historic shift that would have affected American history for decades was literally one inch. I just want to make sure we don't lose sight of the of the tragedy that happened and the possible, you know, historic relevance of that moment.
Reporting for WORLD I’m Mary Muncy.
MARY REICHARD, HOST: Up next, global technology on the fritz.
On Friday, Microsoft computer systems around the world went down, and airline, bank, and hospital workers watched their screens turn blue with error messages. That kicked off all sorts of problems from canceled flights to delayed medical prescriptions.
NICK EICHER, HOST: The culprit was not a cyberattack or power failure, but a systems update glitch. The company responsible is a cybersecurity firm called CrowdStrike.
Joining us now to talk about what went wrong is Mark Montgomery. He’s an expert on cybersecurity at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
REICHARD: Mark, good morning.
MARK MONTGOMERY: Good morning, and thank you for having me.
REICHARD: Well, we’re so glad you’re here. What can you tell us about CrowdStrike, the software company at the center of this story?
MONTGOMERY: CrowdStrike is a pretty well-respected cybersecurity company. They build some of the cybersecurity tools you'll find in our .mil or our military domain, our intelligence community domains, as well as in, you know, three or 400 of the Fortune 500 companies. So I mean, they're really a ubiquitous company with a large global footprint, and a reputation normally for a high level security, reliability and performance.
REICHARD: What do we know so far about why this software update went so wrong?
MONTGOMERY: What strikes me is likely that this was, you know, a bad patch. I think that's what we're starting to understand, which is a, you know, a routine, automated push of edited software into existing cybersecurity systems. This one very specifically, you know, was impacted Windows because of how Windows accepts changes in, and that more greatly impacted them. But you know, basically what it is is human error, but it's human error that really reveals the vulnerability and the fragility of our overall cybersecurity networks in the United States and among our developed allies and partners.
REICHARD: Well, speaking to that, I mean this glitch affected a lot of companies and services. What other changes would industries need to make to avoid problems like this in the future?
MONTGOMERY: I think most companies got to take a very questioning attitude towards automatic updates right now. The idea that something is not getting a kind of due diligence on the customer end, and I think customers over time have become used to this system where patches come in, they're validated by the cybersecurity company providing them, and they allow the systems to self-deploy. There's going to be a much more questioning attitude towards that type of process and procedures going forward.
REICHARD: Is there any other aspect of the story that you think warrants more attention from the general public?
MONTGOMERY: I think you have to combine this story with a story we heard about three months ago called Volt Typhoon. Volt Typhoon was a Chinese operation to install malware in our national critical infrastructures, you know, rail, ports, aviation, electrical power grids, financial services, water. The intelligence community, our intelligence community reported that it happened in Guam, Hawaii, the West Coast of the United States—trust me, China has a map, they know there's a Midwest and an East Coast, you know, this malware is positioned in those networks as well. So we got a little taste of the impact of malware in this unintended cyber incident, and we know that our adversary is thinking about, how do you properly employ that to do the maximum damage to the United States ability to either, as I said earlier, conduct, military mobility of our forces, but also economic productivity, so that we can compete during a crisis or contingency, or even public health and safety, so people lose faith in the credibility, credibility of the government to provide basic services? All of that is at risk because of our fragile network system that has insufficient security and reliability built into it, and until we fix that, you know, I think events like this CrowdStrike problem or the previous Microsoft problems are going to repeat themselves.
REICHARD: It does seem especially scary that we have a generation that doesn't remember what it was like before we had all these conveniences, and then you have my generation who doesn't know what to do when these conveniences fail. So how do we fix that?
MONTGOMERY: Well, you know, you're not the only person thinking that way. Two congressmen, you know, two weeks ago, Representative Crenshaw and Magaziner from Texas and Rhode Island, Republican and Democrat, actually put in a piece of legislation asking the government, what's it take to go back to manual? And they were talking very specifically to the electrical power grid, but you can apply this to almost any major critical infrastructure. What's it take if we have a significant takedown of our cyber networks in an industry or infrastructure? That's a fair question to ask. Some of us have been asking that question about how do we do what's called continuity economy. How do we continue the economy running after major cyber attack? How do we rapidly restore systems? Maybe the answer is you go back to manual. Now I'll tell you, the problem with manual is, manual requires people, and the people that did that manual work, 25-30 years ago are long gone from the industry. So when the industry has to shift from automatic to manual, there's not a workforce present to do it.
REICHARD: Final question here, then…what can businesses and individuals do about all of this?
MONTGOMERY: You know, first, at a personal level you do need to be protecting yourselves against cyber intrusions. Make sure you have good passwords. Make sure you have good multi-factor authentication. Make sure you don't answer emails from Nigerian princes, right? Don't commit to a phishing problem. But when you think about businesses, what can they do? It's about resilience. It's about assuming bad stuff is going to happen, then once it happens, how do I rapidly recover, not in days or weeks, but minutes or hours? How do I get my system or how does my company gets its system up and running rapidly? One, to save money, two, for reputational damage, and three, to provide that service that our customers and our country expects. So, building that resilience, building that redundancy, building that reliability, that's what businesses need to be doing.
REICHARD: Mark Montgomery is senior director of the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Mark, thanks so much for your time!
MONTGOMERY: Thank you for having me, Mary.
NICK EICHER, HOST: Before Sunday afternoon things were getting desperate for the Democrats. You could almost imagine they wanted literally anybody else. Thankfully for them Kamala Harris was available, because the other candidate was too …
ELSE: My name is Literally Anybody Else, and I'm running for President of the United States.
This could almost be a who’s-on-first routine. Who you voting for?
MARY REICHARD, HOST: Anybody Else.
EICHER: Figuratively?
REICHARD: No, Literally.
EICHER: But seriously, Mr. Else is the former Mr. Ebey, Dustin Ebey, military vet and middle-school math teacher. He literally went to court and petitioned for a name change, and now he’s out in the streets courting the electorate.
ELSE: Howdy, sir! Who ya votin’ for? Literally Anybody Else for President! It’s a real item!
You know, this is pretty smart. People do say I’d vote for literally anybody else. They just have never met him.
ELSE: We don’t have a “neither” option on the ballot, and this kind of fills that role.
So far he’s not showing up in the polls, but he might get some write-ins come election day.
It’s The World and Everything in It.
NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Tuesday, July 23rd. Good morning and thanks for listening. I’m Nick Eicher.
MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.
Coming next on The World and Everything in It: Giving birth at home.
It’s becoming more popular. A team of Christian midwives in South Carolina is taking on the opportunities and challenges that come with growing demand.
Here’s World Journalism Institute graduate Abigail Hofland.
ABIGAIL HOFLAND: Amy Redman loves telling the story of the first home birth she attended:
REDMAN: …because it was a couple who did not know the Lord. They were in a biker gang actually, and the midwife I was training with at the time was a believer.
Redman was open about her faith and developed a friendship with the parents. Six months after their baby was born, she stopped in for a visit.
REDMAN: And they were completely different people. What the dad said to me was, ‘When it was just the two of us, we were willing to take a chance on heaven and hell and eternity, but when the Lord gave us a baby – another soul that we were entrusted with – we wanted to know if God was real and if heaven and hell were real because we were now responsible for a child. And they came to know the Lord.
It’s an experience that has stuck with her over the years.
REDMAN: Starting a family and bringing a child into the world, is a time when people are going to sit back and start thinking.
From the start of her career, Redman enjoyed walking with families through that time. But after about 25 years working solo, she found the on-call lifestyle to be draining and unsustainable.
REDMAN: So the burnout rate among midwives is huge, the divorce rate among midwives is high—even among believing midwives, and so we wanted something different.
In 2022, she and some fellow midwives started a team practice called Beloved Birth Midwifery. One of those midwives is Elizabeth Randolph.
RANDOLPH: You know, I had taken a long hiatus from midwifery because of the burnout and because of needing to focus on my family and really being able to be part of this practice, was a very necessary thing for me to even be able to consider coming back to midwifery.
Randolph now delivers babies when she’s not homeschooling her 6 kids. She says this is possible because of how the team structures commitments. Redman says working in shifts is pivotal:
REDMAN: We were looking specifically to create a model that allows us to keep our priorities in the order of followers of Jesus first and foremost, wives and mamas, second, and midwives third, but that gave our clients good, loving, consistent care.
Home births in America make up just 1 percent of all deliveries. But that number is growing. In South Carolina, home deliveries recently climbed 25% in just two years. The clientele has changed too. Midwife Karla Costner says home birth families used to be on the fringe.
COSTNER: And now it's, you know, we have a lot of nurses and PAs and we have a lot of medical people coming to the home birth scenario.
People choose home birth for different reasons. Some have seen or experienced birth trauma. Others want a little more autonomy than hospitals provide. Redman says all are drawn to the midwifery model of low intervention and personalized care. For her, the approach is a no brainer:
COSTNER: We can really come around the moms that were fearful of being a mom or weren’t necessarily prepared to have another baby and we can say look how beautiful this gift is, you’re doing a good job, keep up the great work, and really encourage them in that.
The midwives at Beloved Birth say faith comes through their fingertips. And clients can feel it.
MILLIGAN: And to know that it’s my sister in Christ whose attending my birth. And she cares about this child as a soul and about me as a soul, not just as a client.
Shannon Milligan is a Christian mom who delivered a baby with Beloved Birth before coming onboard as an office assistant.
MILLIGAN: Their expertise was absolutely vital, but it went further to have that kinship, you know, a sisterhood.
Supporting clients through labor and delivery is always the midwives’ top priority, but they say the postpartum period is where the bulk of ministry happens. Midwife Karla Costner says it’s a space these midwives fill well.
REDMAN: The midwifery model is trusting in the design of the Creator and recognizing that the more we as humans intervene and the more we mess with a process and change it, the more we increase risks.
The midwives at Beloved Birth are unashamedly pro-life. This comes out in their website and conversation, and they say it tends to attract like-minded families.
REDMAN: But we are working right now with somebody who walking into a crisis pregnancy center and seeing the ultrasound and seeing that heartbeat and that baby is what made her go, oh yes, this is a baby, and this is my baby, and I'll do whatever it takes, and we are able to minister to this mom. And it's been beautiful.
Redman says prayer is a big part of every labor and delivery, but it’s important during the pregnancy, too. She often asks moms how the team of midwives can be praying for them.
REDMAN: And the range of answers, you know, sometimes they're like, well, that's it, and other times, it will bring up things that they're struggling with, or insecurities or fears or anxieties, but sometimes It brings up things that we can fix on a clinical midwifery level that would not come up in normal conversation.
Midwives say their work is a mix of traditional wisdom and modern technique. But it’s not practical skills that make the biggest difference.
REDMAN: I feel like I’m a better midwife today, not because of 29 years of experience, but I’m a better midwife today because when you keep your priorities straight, and keep God first and family second, you serve from a rested, peaceful place.
Reporting for WORLD, I’m Abigail Hofland.
MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Tuesday, July 23rd. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.
NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Here’s WORLD commentator Janie B. Cheaney on utopian fantasies.
JANIE B. CHEANEY: A Quillette article by Ewan Morrison called “The Problem with Utopias” caught my attention and stirred my latent late-sixties hippie. The yearning to “get ourselves back to the garden,” as Joni Mitchell put it, is as old as time. But with the discovery of a New World in 1492, fictional idealism exploded, from Sir Thomas More’s speculative Utopia to Edward Bellamy’s 1892 novel Looking Backward. Some of these were best-sellers, but as literature, they’re all duds.
In his article Morrison asks why we can’t make utopia work even in fiction. Simple answer: no plot. What storyline there is follows an outsider finding his way to some hidden region whose inhabitants live in harmony with nature and each other. There’s no war, no crime, no exploitation, and, in the case of Charlotte Gilman’s Herland, no men. For pages and pages, the protagonist interrogates a wise and patient guide. At the end he must decide whether to stay or return to his own evil time with news of a better world.
In a word, boring. Morrison writes, “Utopian fiction fails because it is fundamentally at odds with human psychology and the human condition.” Fundamentally, we all know it.
But that doesn’t keep dreamers from dreaming of pure equality in an unpolluted, war-free world. We hear echoes of it during every general-election campaign season. Robert Owen, who founded the (short-lived) New Harmony commune on the Wabash River in 1824, wrote that the only thing holding humanity in its miserable state was a failure of imagination. Protestors and stump speakers of today insist it’s a failure of political will. Four thousand years of human history tells us otherwise: if fictional utopias are boring, political ones are both boring and deadly.
Enlightenment idealism led to the French Reign of Terror. Racial idealism fueled the Third Reich. Communist idealism spurred Stalin’s gulag and Mao’s purges. “You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs” is a proverb dating from Enlightenment times, to which anyone at any time could ask, “Where’s the omelet?”
Human sin explains a lot but leaves open the question of why God allowed us to fall in the first place. It’s a question Elwin Ransom, the protagonist of C.S. Lewis’s Perelandra, ponders while witnessing another potential fall in another world. Why open a door to the tragedy of human history and go to such lengths to redeem it all?
What if humanity’s naïve infancy in the garden and our tortuous adolescence ever since are part of a utopian tale, never boring or stale, that only full-grown adults can enjoy? We’re living the true story of real consequences in a complex, gripping plot. Once we reach the happy ending, we’ll want to read it again and again. To God, the story is worth the pain. By that time, we’ll agree with him.
I’m Janie B. Cheaney.
NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: Washington Wednesday. We’ll talk about the new Democratic presidential ticket. And a controversial strategy to reduce overdose deaths. That and more tomorrow.
I’m Nick Eicher.
MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.
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