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MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Good morning!
Today on Culture Friday: Minneapolis feels familiar—but are we reliving 2020 all over again?
NICK EICHER, HOST: John Stonestreet is standing by to talk about it.
Also today—fewer explosions, more character… though the government still thinks he’s dangerous.
AUDIO: The Department of Damage Control considers Simon Williams an extraordinary threat.
Collin Garbarino with Wonder Man.
And later, Listener Feedback.
BROWN: It’s Friday, January 30th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.
EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!
BROWN: Up next, Kent Covington with today’s news.
KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Government funding » Lawmakers in Washington are scrambling to avoid a partial government shutdown just hours from now.
Funding for key agencies is set to expire when the clock strikes midnight.
The fight centers on funding for the Department of Homeland Security after a pair of fatal shootings in Minnesota involving federal immigration agents.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer:
SCHUMER: Enough is enough. This is a moment of truth for the United States of America.
Senate Democrats blocked a funding package as they demand changes to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
But Republican Sen. David McCormick counters:
MCCORMICK: This won't affect the funding for ICE at all. This is gonna affect FEMA and the Coast Guard and the Secret Service.
ICE already received $75 billion dollars in funding from the legislation President Trump referred to as the “one big beautiful bill.”
Fellow GOP Sen. James Lankford says Republicans are okay with many of the proposed changes for ICE:
LANKFORD: More body-worn cameras on federal agents, deescalation training, all. We're fine with all of those things that that's not an issue that all been negotiated. Then Democrats after last weekend said, Nope, we're gonna shut the government down. We're closing down FEMA. We're closing down TSA. We're closing down the Coast Guard.
But negotiators could be closing in on a plan that would buy extra time for talks.
Under the proposal, temporary funding would keep DHS going for about two weeks while Republicans and Democrats debate changes tied to immigration enforcement. The rest of the government would stay funded through September.
Noem impeachment push » And Democratic leaders say they’re determined to see Homeland Security Sec. Kristi Noem removed from office, one way or another, after those fatal shootings in Minnesota.
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries:
JEFFRIES: We intend to proceed with impeachment proceedings if Kristi Noem is not fired. Kristi Noem is a complete and total embarrassment. She's a disgrace.
President Trump has given no indication that he plans to ask for Noem’s resignation.
Secretary Noem plans to testify before Congress in March about the department's crackdown on illegal immigration, as well as those two fatal shootings.
Minnesota latest » Meantime, tensions remain high in Minneapolis.
President Trump recently assigned border czar Tom Homan to the Twin Cities area to oversee the immigration enforcement there. Homan met with the Democratic Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz this week:
HOMAN: He has clarified for me that county jails may notify ICE of the release dates of criminal public safety risks, so ICE can take custody of them.
Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey was also a part of that meeting, and Homan says it went well. But publicly, Frey continues to joust with the Trump administration, calling for ICE to leave the city.
FREY: It is less safe when we have roving bands of agents marching down the street just looking for somebody who might be concerned.
But administration officials say Frey focuses on symptoms of the problem and ignores the real disease, which they say is sanctuary city policies. They say the more Frey cooperates, the less need there will be for federal agents in Minneapolis.
Ukraine latest » President Trump told reporters Thursday that he's optimistic that the war between Russia and Ukraine may soon come to an end. Trump said he made a personal appeal to Russia’s Vladimir Putin for a temporary pause in attacks against Ukraine’s infrastructure:
TRUMP: I personally asked President Putin not to fire on Kyiv and the cities and towns for a week, during this extraordinary--it's not just cold, it's extraordinarily cold. Record-setting cold.
Trump said Putin agreed to that provision, but the Kremlin hasn’t confirmed that.
At a cabinet meeting yesterday, U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff was also optimistic:
WITKOFF: We have a security protocol agreement that's largely finished, a prosperity agreement that's largely finished, and I think the people of Ukraine are now hopeful and expectant that we're hopefully gonna deliver a peace deal sometime soon.
But both Russia and Ukraine say major differences remain unresolved.
Venezuela airspace » President Trump says the U.S. is reopening commercial airspace over Venezuela and allowing commercial flights to resume. That came after a phone call with the country’s acting leader Delcy Rodriguez.
TRUMP: I just spoke to the president of Venezuela. Informed, informed her that we're gonna be opening up all commercial airspace over Venezuela. American citizens will be very shortly able to go to Venezuela…
Trump added that it will be safe to travel there. Officially, however, the State Department’s warning to U.S. citizens not to travel there has yet to be lifted.
American Airlines said it plans to resume daily nonstop service from the U.S., marking the first such flights since 2019.
President Trump has signaled that U.S. relations with Venezuela are improving significantly under Rodriguez’s leadership. She assumed power after U.S. forces forcibly removed and arrested former dictator Nicolas Maduro.
San Jose Title IX » Education Secretary Linda McMahon says San Jose State University will be held accountable after an investigation found that the school violated Title IX protections for female athletes. WORLD’s Benjamin Eicher reports:
BENJAMIN EICHER: The department released findings this week from a nearly year-long investigation after the school allowed a male athlete to compete on a woman’s volleyball team.
Investigators found that when he was recruited in 2022, coaches were instructed not to tell players that the recruit was biologically male.
For a time, players unknowingly shared locker rooms and hotel rooms with him.
Once the student’s sex became known, a number of opposing teams forfeited games against San Jose over safety concerns.
The investigation also found that the school retaliated against players and coaches who spoke out about male athlvetes being permitted in women’s competitions.
Education officials determined that the school threatened athletes’ safety and undermined competition.
For WORLD, I’m Benjamin Eicher.
I'm Kent Covington.
Straight ahead: Culture Friday with John Stonestreet. Plus, Collin Garbarino reviews the new Marvel streaming series Wonder Man.
This is The World and Everything in It.
MYRNA BROWN, HOST: It’s Friday, January 30th. Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Myrna Brown.
NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Joining us now is John Stonestreet, President of the Colson Center and host of the Breakpoint Podcast. Good morning, John.
JOHN STONESTREET: Good morning.
EICHER: John, what’s happening in Minneapolis right now—with federal immigration agents and clashes on the streets—how one describes those things tends to reveal where one’s assumptions begin. Some describe these as “protests,” others as interference with immigration enforcement. In both cases, there’s polarization, partial video narratives, and people deciding what happened before all the facts are in.
Go back six years. The same city, Minneapolis, was at the center of heated debates over George Floyd and policing. So now, after two people were killed by federal officers, many are saying this “feels like 2020 all over again”—not just unrest, but snap judgments and deep divides.
So John, from your vantage point, what does this moment tell us about whether we actually learned anything? Or are we just doing 2020 all over again?
STONESTREET: I think that’s an accurate take—that we’re doing 2020 over again. There was no evidence that we learned lessons after 2020. We still are infected as a culture with what I’ve called, in other places, the critical theory mood—just kind of seeing everything through these divisions between groupings of people—where the mistakes in immigration policy over past administrations have to now be reckoned with.
And we’re also seeing that that critical theory mood that I mentioned a second ago is live and active in the way many people think, not just on the left—although it’s most obvious, I think, from the left—but on the right. You know, there’s the idea that if an ICE officer did it, then it must have been done right.
And I think what we have is two incidents where American citizens were killed. That’s tragic. That should always be tragic. And we shouldn’t immediately decide to make the victim some kind of terrible person up front without knowing all the details any more than we should make the shooter that way.
But we haven’t learned any of those lessons. I mean, we’re back to calling everybody Nazis, and we’re back to justifying violence. And it reveals something beyond the events themselves—the deep brokenness, the deep lawlessness that are affecting our ability to know what actually happened.
When you’re dealing with such a broken situation—dealing with criminals, trying to get them out of the country—then you have a big mess we shouldn’t expect when you also have a group of agitation that’s taking place at a whole other level than just protest. Protesting is absolutely a protected right. The kind of things that we have seen create an environment where, of course, something’s going to go wrong.
Of course, people are going to do—we shouldn’t excuse it. We shouldn’t say that if someone is killed unjustly, then just because they’re on our side, then it’s okay. But you can’t also just look at the event. Both sides have looked for specific anecdotes to prove that they’re right.
And so it’s just a mess. And the reporting of the events reveal just as much about the kind of culture we have as the events themselves.
EICHER: So, John, just to clarify: Had we learned lessons from 2020, what would they have been, and how might the current situation be different?
STONESTREET: Well, I think one of the lessons we can learn is not to be duped by media reports of virtue immediately from people who actually are being kind of coordinated, orchestrated, funded, and sent out on various missions.
The second lesson is that you have to keep the law in a lawful way. And when you allow a situation to get to such a high level of stress as this one has in that city, you’re creating the situation where there’s going to be a misfire, there’s going to be a mistake, and you’re creating anger.
And we ought not assume that law enforcement officials are perfect any more than we should assume that protesters are perfect, right? I mean, that’s what I mean when I say the critical theory mood. We have to understand good and evil. We have to understand right and wrong. And instead, we’re divvying it out by groups of people, and then the math doesn’t work, and our simple analysis doesn’t really explain it.
We have to get the immigration issue in hand. The Trump administration is doing something that it has every right to do, but it doesn’t have a right to do it in every way that it has.
And so we’re going to have political calculations in light of particularly the second shooting, which doesn’t seem to be justified, and whether that means it will embolden those who are trying to hold the whole process hostage or not—that’s a great question. That’s usually what happens, right? I mean, isn’t that kind of how we got in the mess to begin with?
The immigration process was held hostage, and the deportation process was held hostage. And so now here we are, and that’s the way cultures can break down.
And so that’s what I mean in terms of the lessons learned. And it’s going to be really hard to go forward. At the same time, the administration is trying to get immigration in hand in all kinds of places, not just in Minnesota, and we don’t have the same stories coming out of other places. So that should tell us something.
BROWN: John, I want to shift gears and talk about a new campaign you’re involved in that was announced this week—it’s called the Greater Than campaign.
It brings together a number of well-known voices, including Katy Faust, Albert Mohler, Jim Daly from Focus on the Family, Allie Beth Stuckey, and others.
The campaign is aimed at re-centering the conversation about marriage and family around the needs of children. Since this is so new, tell us more about what the campaign is and why you think this moment calls for it.
STONESTREET: Well, I don’t know if I resemble that remark or not, or deserve to be in the category with many of the others that have jumped into this campaign.
In a sense, this is just following the pro-life playbook after Roe v. Wade. The idea here is that Roe poisoned everything, and so has Obergefell. Sometimes law is actually upstream from changing people’s hearts and minds.
And yet, we have seen some cracks in that myth of unfettered progress toward full acceptance of marriage equality, or all the other taglines that we’ve heard in the years since Obergefell.
And I think Katie has effectively put her finger on why it is that people are increasingly uncomfortable with so-called same-sex marriage—that we’ve seen how it has really undermined the rights and well-being of children, especially the rights of children to their mom and dad.
As I say in the video, moms don’t dad and dads don’t mom. That’s the one thing we know from research. Kids need both.
And so what’s the goal? The goal is to make it both illegal and unthinkable. And right now it’s both—right now, same-sex marriage, so-called same-sex marriage. And I say that because it’s not marriage.
Of course, the Obergefell decision was largely decided out of thinking that marriage was something malleable. It was really a bad process, because we heard demands for so-called marriage equality without ever deciding what marriage was. So how do you have something that’s equal to if you don’t know what it is to begin with?
And the whole point of Greater Than—it’s a direct counter to that idea of equality. In fact, if you look at the logo for the Greater Than campaign, something that I’m really fond of, it takes that old equal sign that became a meme and was posted on everybody’s social media for so long and turns it into a greater-than sign.
Because what we’re saying is kids are greater than adult desire, and kids have been treated as less than.
So I’m excited about this campaign. We’ve all signed up for the long haul. This isn’t going to be something that’s solved by this time next year or the next year or the next year. We know how long it took to overturn Roe. We know after we overturned Roe how much cultural baggage remains even now. And the same thing is true here with Obergefell.
So it’s a big thing to overturn Obergefell. It’ll be hard, and then it’ll take even longer to unravel the cultural destruction that it has wrought. And that’s what the movement’s about.
BROWN: John, I’m struck by the comparison to Roe v. Wade—where reversing the decision mattered, but didn’t by itself change the culture. Even setting aside whether the same could happen with Obergefell, there’s a lot of cultural work that still has to happen beyond the legal questions, don’t you think?
STONESTREET: Yeah, that’s right. Well, we need a kid-centric way of thinking.
And that’s the thing about marriage, is that marriage was designed by God to be life-giving. In other words, the point of marriage for Adam wasn’t Eve, and the point of marriage for Eve wasn’t Adam. And that’s how we treat marriage today, and that’s what I mean when I say we elevate adult desire.
So the inherent connection between marriage and procreation is built into the fabric of the universe. The more we have elevated the rights of adults to be able to do whatever they want, be whoever they want, behave however they want, the more we have victimized children, right?
I mean, we say this all the time—ideas have consequences. Bad ideas have victims. The disproportionate victims of the sexual revolution have been children.
Every stage of the sexual revolution has come along with a promise. It’s a myth, it’s a lie, but it’s been promised the kids will be fine. Kids aren’t fine. They haven’t been fine in a long time. They weren’t fine with no-fault divorce. They weren’t fine with cohabitation. They haven’t been fine when it comes to intentionally single parenthood.
And for the Christian who’s wondering whether they should join this campaign, every single Christian community that we have history of, when they confronted a pagan society, it was always protecting kids. I can’t think of a Christian community that didn’t feel like their calling was to protect kids.
And so when Christians turn around and say—like one youth pastor said to my co-author, Brett Kunkel, back in 2015—“same-sex marriage, oh, that ship has sailed, I’m not even going to talk about that anymore,” that is an abdication of duty. That’s an abandoning of the children.
And I think we’ve actually done that for the last 10 years. And it’s time to get on the right track.
BROWN: We’re running long, but just quickly: Have Christians ever actually done this well before—pushing back against cultural norms that harm children?
STONESTREET: You know, there are wonderful models throughout history of Christians taking on cultural norms that victimize children—foot binding, child prostitution, child sacrifice; pre-Victorian England, getting kids out of the machines when they were tied to the machines during the early Industrial Revolution; sending them to school, universal education.
There’s all kinds of examples of protecting children. And of course, the pro-life movement is an example of this.
The first Christians went out into the wilderness and saved the kids, especially the little girls who had been abandoned just to die, because that was a completely normal thing to do—just like so-called same-sex marriage has become completely normal in our time and place.
EICHER: John Stonestreet is president of the Colson Center and host of the Breakpoint podcast. Thanks, John.
STONESTREET: Thank you both.
MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Friday, January 30th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.
Good morning. I’m Myrna Brown.
NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.
Coming next on The World and Everything in It: a possible cure for superhero fatigue.
Marvel Studios is trying something different. Instead of raising the stakes, Marvel might be lowering them. Here’s WORLD arts and culture editor Collin Garbarino on Wonder Man.
COLLIN GARBARINO: I’ve been complaining about the bloated staleness of the Marvel Cinematic Universe for years now. But a decade ago, Marvel Studios was churning out one hit after another. The franchise stayed fresh by tweaking its superhero films, pushing them into different genres. We got spy thrillers, space operas, and heist movies. What we haven’t gotten up to now is Hollywood’s favorite genre: stories about Hollywood itself. That all changes with the MCU’s new series on Disney+ Wonder Man.
VON KOVAK: Human and spectacular. That’s where this film needs to live.
In the comic books, Wonder Man is a guy using superpowers to become an actor who does his own stunts. This eight-episode TV series takes the character in a different direction. Yahya Abdul-Mateen stars as Simon Williams, a struggling actor hoping to get his big break. He has superpowers, but he has to keep them hidden. Hollywood studios won’t hire enhanced individuals because the cost of superhero-related liability insurance is too high.
But Simon’s life as a failed actor starts to change the day he meets Trevor Slattery played by the incomparable Ben Kingsley.
SIMON: But I remember you from that omnibus episode you did in the 70s. You played Edgar Allan Poe. “The Need for Nightmare.”
TREVOR: Well, well, well… Not too many people remember that old gem, including me.
Trevor’s a washed-up British actor who’s led a checkered life. His most memorable role was when he pretended to be a terrorist called the Mandarin.
TREVOR: And whatever theories you’ve seen on Reddit are totally false. I had nothing to do with Pizzagate. I’m not a member of the Illuminati. And I did not have my hands replaced with baby hands.
Trevor becomes a mentor to Simon. And the two actors attempt to land roles in a new superhero movie directed by a legendary and eccentric filmmaker.
At its heart this TV series is a buddy comedy. The anxious and insecure Simon and the laidback, oblivious Trevor make an entertaining odd couple. Simon imagines elaborate backstories for his characters and agonizes over finding the right tone and inflection. Trevor’s the kind of actor who advises against overthinking things.
TREVOR: When you’re in there, blow every last bit of air out of your lungs hard and fast. With no air in your lungs your body will go into shock, shut down your frontal lobes, so… no more logic getting in the way.
But navigating auditions—and relationships with prickly agents—aren’t our protagonists’ only problems. A government agency tasked with controlling superheroes is falling behind on its quotas, and its determined to find enough evidence on Simon to put him in prison.
AGENT: The Department of Damage Control considers Simon Williams an extraordinary threat.
Wonder Man is rated TV-14 for occasional foul language. The series has no sensuality. But every now and then folks make references to Trevor’s dissolute past.
BARTENDER: And a Virgin Mary with extra horseradish.
TREVOR: Thirteen years sober.
BARTENDER: Congrats.
TREVOR: Thank you.
Perhaps the most surprising thing about Wonder Man is how little violence there is. This is the kind of show you watch for the dialogue, not the spectacle. Showrunner Destin Daniel Cretton, who directed the Shang Chi movie, has created a series that feels grounded in reality. Simon isn’t going to punch his way out of his problems. Instead, he wins by working hard, taking good advice, and learning to trust family and friends. Cretton allows the series to find its natural conclusion. Don’t expect the CGI smackdown you find at the end of just about every other superhero show.
TREVOR: Are you going to use super speed, or what?
SIMON: I’m gonna use my car, Trevor!
TREVOR: Does that mean you do or do not have super speed?
SIMON: Let’s go!
The most unbelievable aspect of this show might be that a director is actually attempting to make a superhero movie on a soundstage in Los Angeles. It’s been a long time since studios could afford to film in Hollywood.
Simon might have superpowers, but Wonder Man is character driven, which, in my opinion, makes it one of the best MCU TV series.
Also homework isn’t necessary to appreciate this show. You can watch Iron Man 3 and Shang Chi to get Trevor’s backstory, if you want. But the series stands on its own. It isn’t tied into that convoluted Avengers multiverse.
It’s more concerned with gently poking fun at the foibles of Hollywood while expressing its love for filmmaking. Expect to see a couple of surprising guest stars playing themselves.
But really, the show’s greatest strength is that it’s honest about the superhero fatigue that audiences have been feeling. Wonder Man provides some sly commentary on the state of the genre, suggesting that people care more about human stories than they do computer-generated extravaganzas. I’m happy to say the series doesn’t merely prescribe the cure for superhero fatigue, it embodies it.
VON KOVAK: The world is going to fall in love with the two of you.
I’m Collin Garbarino.
MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Finally today, the last Friday of the month. Time now for Listener Feedback.
NICK EICHER, HOST: Jeb Rice is a physician in Fishers, Indiana and he has a critique of a Culture Friday segment in which we discussed New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s comments on the so-called “warmth of collectivism.”
JEB RICE, MD: I love John Stonestreet. I love the way he thinks. But I did not believe he articulated the problem. Effectively, the problem with collectivism is that humans were created to respond to incentive, and collectivism removes incentive. [W]hen that incentive to do well, or the incentive to work hard or the incentive to succeed, every study that's been done shows when those incentives are removed, people do not do well. Humans need incentive. God knows that as Christians, our incentive is to honor Jesus by doing our jobs with excellence. And when incentives are removed, then no one does their job with excellence and society fails at that point. Thanks for what you guys do.
Medical doctor?! That’s spoken like an economist. Love it!
BROWN: Several people commented on our report on the change in U.S. nutrition guidelines.
BRONSON ARMSTRONG: This is Bronson Armstrong calling from Orlean, Virginia. I really enjoyed today's reporting on nutrition and health. Of particular interest was the observation towards the end where Mary noted the debate on Ortica protein solely plant based, or whether we could get it for meat from animals. I see the origins of that debate consistent with Scripture. Genesis, one, verses 29 and 30, we are given plants with seeds to eat as food. In addition, after the flood in Genesis nine, verses three and four, we are given meat from animals to eat. Both are good sources of protein, and yes, I do enjoy a good steak. I think the debate on which protein is better will continue on. Thank you and keep up the good work..
NATHAN HOWELL: This is Nathan Howell. I'm a Professor of Environmental Engineering at West Texas A and M. I appreciated in the story how you went and examined the viewpoints of multiple physicians, because I think that illustrates something that's that's really true, that there is a lot of debate about what exactly nutrition should be for what kind of people, and how do you advance the various nutrition goals that exist, and that's it's just the truth.. I am not a physician or a health expert. I can't speak to the health differences on plant and animal based proteins, but I do think it's important that people know that there are environmental differences in plant and animal based protein and there's there's hardly any way to get around the fact that more resources of every kind are required to generate animal protein than plant protein. The health differences may be independent of this, but in any decision, there's trade offs, and if there's been a concern in the environmental world for a long time about more people getting a higher level of living and thereby demanding more protein, and specifically animal-based protein.
EICHER: And thanks to you both. I’m with Bronson on that. I love a good steak, too.
BROWN: And this next listener really loves a great value on his plate, sending in this comment about our team report on Wednesday on the government’s $3 dollar meal:
SCOTT ROBERTS: Hey, this is Scott Roberts. I was very impressed with all the different people doing the doing the work to see, to actually prove what the health and human services are saying. Good job, guys. Thanks.
Finally, we always like to hear about what parts of the world The World and Everything in It is reaching. This month we heard from Sarah Coors:
SARAH COORS: Hi, World News Group. I just wanted to thank you for your very professional and well rounded news reporting. I work in Asia, and it helps me keep in touch with what's going on in America, but also how it impacts the rest of the world, and also how what's happening around the world is is impacting my home country. So thank you so much for all that you do, for your just heartfelt and very personal touches to all the stories. It really makes me feel like I'm part of part of the family. Thank you so much. Blessings to you in this New Year. Bye.
EICHER: Good to hear from you and blessings to you, too.
BROWN: Thank you to everyone who wrote and called this month. We’d love to hear from you as well. If you’d like to comment on a recent segment, send us a recorded message or email to: editor@wng.org.
EICHER: You can also phone it in: 202-709-9595. And that’s this month’s Listener Feedback.
NICK EICHER, HOST: Well, time now to name the crew who helped out with this week’s programs:
Jenny Rough, David Bahnsen, Mary Reichard, Travis Kircher, Kim Henderson, Maria Baer, Carolina Lumetta, Hunter Baker, Onize Oduah, Daniel Darling, Mary Muncy, Lauren Canterberry, Emma Eicher, Cal Thomas, John Stonestreet, and Collin Garbarino.
Thanks also to our breaking news crew: Kent Covington, Mark Mellinger, Steve Kloosterman, Travis Kircher, Daniel Devine, and Christina Grube.
And thanks to the Twilight Techs, working each night to serve the program bright and early: Benj Eicher and Carl Peetz.
Harrison Watters is Washington producer, Kristen Flavin is features editor, Lindsay Mast is producer, I’m executive producer Nick Eicher.
MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown.
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