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The World and Everything in It - February 8, 2022

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WORLD Radio - The World and Everything in It - February 8, 2022

The unreliability of prenatal genetic tests; Canada’s Freedom Convoy; and a pastor who found Christ in China and now ministers in the United States. Plus: commentary from Janie B. Cheaney, and the Tuesday morning news.


MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

Prenatal testing is easy and widespread, but not as accurate as first thought and it’s putting many expectant parents through unnecessary stress.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Also today that “Freedom Convoy” in Canada: authorities call it an unmanageable siege, supporters say they’re standing up to government overreach. We’ll talk today with a lawyer for the protesters.

Plus we’ll introduce you to a Chinese banker turned pastor.

And WORLD commentator Janie B. Cheaney on the identity our Creator gives.

REICHARD: It’s Tuesday, February 8th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Now here’s Kent Covington with today’s news.


KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Biden, German chancellor issue united warning to Russia » President Biden emerged from a meeting with Germany’s new leader at the White House on Monday and renewed his warning to Moscow. He said if Russia further invades Ukraine …

BIDEN: Then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.

Nord Stream 2 is a major Russia-to-Germany gas pipeline project.

Biden said that would only be part of the price Russia would pay if it invades.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz agreed. Scholz does speak English, but on Monday he addressed reporters in German. He’s heard here through an interpreter.

SCHOLZ: If there was a military aggression against Ukraine, this will entail severe consequences that we have agreed upon together, severe sanctions that we have worked on together, so there will be a high price for Russia.

Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops near Ukraine’s border, adding military might almost daily.

In Sholz’s first visit to the White House, Biden said the two leaders also discussed China and the challenge it poses to international order.

Macron meets with Putin in Moscow amid Russia-Ukraine tensions » Meantime in Moscow, French President Emmanuel Macron sat down with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kremlin.

Macron said his hope was to help de-escalate tensions and that he made proposals of—quote—"concrete security guarantees" to Putin.

Macron is meeting with leaders in Ukraine today.

AUDIO: [PUTIN SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN]

For his part, Putin once more denied any intention to invade Ukraine. And he again accused the West of ignoring Russia’s security concerns.

Putin said he would soon send a response to NATO and Washington, adding “I don't think that our dialogue is over.”

Chinese tennis star denies making abuse complaint » The three-time Olympian and high-ranking Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai now says she never accused a Chinese government official of sexual assault. That’s what she told a French sports newspaper this week. But the Chinese government controlled the interview. WORLD’s Kristen Flavin has more.

KRISTEN FLAVIN, REPORTER: A Chinese Olympic Committee official required the paper to submit questions in advance and then loomed over Peng Shuai’s shoulder during the interview.

During the hour-long conversation, Peng recanted her sexual assault allegation. She also downplayed concerns about her three-week disappearance from the public eye in November.

When asked if authorities retaliated against her for going public about the assault on social media, Peng repeated a party line, saying sports and politics should not mix.

At age 36, Peng said she is retiring from professional competition, citing COVID-19 and multiple knee injuries.

Over the weekend, Peng also had dinner with International Olympics Committee president Thomas Bach. He said the organization will keep in touch with her but will not pass judgment on whether officials should open an investigation into her allegations.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kristen Flavin.

Governor ending New Jersey’s school mask mandate » New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy says his state will soon lift its COVID-19 mask requirement in schools. The Democratic governor called it “a huge step back to normalcy for our kids.”

MURPHY: We can responsibly take this step given the continuing drop in new cases and hospitalizations from omicron and with all the evidence projecting a continued decline over the coming weeks.

The statewide mandate will end on Monday, March 7th. But individual school districts will be free to keep mask mandates in place longer if they choose to.

New Jersey is one of a dozen states with mask mandates in schools.

The omicron variant fueled a spike in infections over the holidays with the wave peaking in mid-January. But Murphy said since last week, cases in his state are down 50 percent and hospitalizations have dropped by one-third.

Omicron is also loosening its grip most everywhere else in the United States. Health experts are hopeful that the pandemic may be about to enter a new phase in which the virus becomes like the flu—an ever-present but manageable threat.

Frontier bids $2.9 billion for rival budget airline Spirit » Frontier Airlines is bidding nearly $3 billion dollars for its low-cost rival Spirit Airlines. WORLD’s Anna Johansen Brown has that story.

ANNA JOHANSEN BROWN, REPORTER: Frontier and Spirit Airlines are the big dogs in the smaller ultra-low-cost air travel niche.

Antitrust regulators will put the proposed $2.9 billion deal under a microscope. But the Frontier-Spirit combination would rank only fifth among U.S. airlines in passenger-carrying capacity and seventh in revenue.

Frontier and Spirit are pitching their merger as a counterbalance to American, Delta, United, and Southwest, which together control about 80 percent of the U.S. market.

The airlines claim a merger would create jobs and create new routes that aren’t currently served by ultra-low-cost carriers, resulting in big savings for travelers.

Airlines are struggling to recover as the pandemic stretches into a third year. Frontier and Spirit both reported Monday that they suffered big fourth-quarter losses.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen Brown.

I’m Kent Covington. Straight ahead: false positives in prenatal testing.

Plus, the limits of identity. 

This is The World and Everything in It.


MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Tuesday, the 8th of February, 2022.

We’re glad you’ve joined us for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. First up: prenatal testing.

It has come a long way since the first ultrasound back in the 1950s. New screening tests allow technicians to evaluate a pregnancy in its earliest stages—looking for potentially serious medical problems.

REICHARD: These new tests for chromosome disorders can produce accurate results with a simple blood draw. And more widespread testing means more positive results that can put expectant parents on edge. But experts increasingly warn these tests are frequently wrong.

WORLD’s Lauren Dunn reports.

LAUREN DUNN, REPORTER: A few weeks ago, Storey Gibson got a call from her doctor with results from a prenatal screening test. Gibson was 16 weeks pregnant. The doctor told her the screening showed her baby was at high risk for Turner syndrome.

GIBSON: So I said, What is Turner Syndrome? And she said, Well, she just won't be able to have children. And she'll be short in stature. And I said, Oh, so it's a girl. And, you know, because she didn't even tell me what the gender was at the time. So she said, Google it, it might make you feel a little better. And I was like, okay, so I started Googling. And the more I Googled, the more my heart sank. Because those are not the only two issues that these children have.

Gibson’s doctor said her daughter had a 96 percent chance of having the disorder. She referred her to another hospital for follow-up testing. That included an ultrasound and amniocentesis, a test that looks at a sample of the amniotic fluid. At Gibson’s ultrasound, two doctors said her daughter didn’t show signs of Turner syndrome. Gibson’s husband asked the doctors if false positives were common.

GIBSON: And both of those doctors said, ‘All the time, we see them all the time come back false positive’…I finally felt a little bit of hope.

Noninvasive prenatal testing relies on a blood sample taken from the mother to check for possible genetic disorders in the baby. While the screening tests have shown greater accuracy for Down syndrome and Trisomy 18, their track record for rarer conditions is not as good. According to one recent analysis, positive results for disorders like DiGeorge syndrome and Prader-Willi syndrome can be wrong anywhere from 80 percent to 93 percent of the time. While false positives are common, false negatives are rare.

Dr. Donna Harrison is an OBGYN who heads the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. She says parents need to realize these are screening tests, not diagnostic tests.

HARRISON: It's a test that says, ‘Are you in a higher risk group,’ but it does not answer the question, do I actually have a problem? Or does my baby actually have the problem?

As in Gibson’s case, doctors often refer moms with positive screening results for more accurate diagnostic testing. But in a 2014 study, just over 6 percent of mothers who got an adverse test result from early screenings chose to have an abortion without even verifying the results through diagnostic testing.

HARRISON: Even the best prenatal genetic tests, they’re simply tests and tests can be wrong.

With results like that, is prenatal screening ethical? Jason Thacker directs the research institute at the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention.

THACKER: The testing itself isn't wrong, but what kind of doors does it open? And what kind of questions should we be asking and addressing?

Thacker says parents can have good reasons to pursue screening and testing, such as preparing for the child’s possible medical needs. But he urges Christians to remember that no screening or testing results ever change a child’s value.

THACKER: Often in our society, your value, worth, and dignity is tied to what you do, it's tied to your utility. This is called utilitarian ethics. Well, a Christian understanding of ethics, specifically in terms of bioethics, is saying, ‘No, you're created in God's image.’ Everyone is an image bearer to reflect and to refract who God is in this world. And so that means our worth and our dignity isn't tied to our utility. It's tied to the image. It's tied to how God made us.

Katie Waalkes and her husband Mark first learned their unborn child might have developmental problems when Katie was 30 weeks along. Doctors thought their baby would have heart problems, but they weren’t sure why. Their daughter was born two weeks early in August 2012 and spent 10 days in the hospital before going home.

WAALKES: We did have a little bit of a heads up that something was happening. And so because of that we were able to have specialists in the hospital, the day she was born, like right away.

Mark and Katie’s daughter was eventually diagnosed with DiGeorge syndrome, a chromosomal disorder that causes a wide range of medical needs. Some of her symptoms have included heart problems, hearing loss, arthritis, and anxiety.

The Waalkes’ had never opted for screening tests for their older children. But since their daughter’s birth, they have chosen to do prenatal testing with subsequent pregnancies.

WAALKES: And so it kind of changed our perspective, in the sense after that, if we were like, okay, it still does not change our actions or our heart or our behavior towards this child whatsoever. But it might be able to help us line up the medical professionals that we need.

Waalkes says their now 9-year-old daughter is “doing great” and “loving life,” despite dealing with several medical challenges.

WAALKES: We tell her that every single day – we tell all of our kids that – God doesn't make mistakes, and you are fearfully and wonderfully made. No matter what kind of quirks the world might point out, no matter what genetic disorders or diagnosis you might have, God doesn't make mistakes. And to understand that he is and has already used this in her life, to bring Him glory has been so comforting.

Storey Gibson had her amniocentesis last month. A few days later, the genetics counselor called to let her know her daughter does not have Turner syndrome. The earlier screening result was a false positive, and her daughter is healthy.

GIBSON: This is truly a screening, it is not a diagnosis. This does not mean your baby truly has whatever screening has been given a high risk for. I just feel the doctors need to better explain it to these mamas-to-be, new moms-to-be and that there is hope. I wish someone could have told me that.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Lauren Dunn.


NICK EICHER, HOST: Up next: the battle over COVID-19 restrictions and freedom of speech in Canada.

The capital city, Ottawa, declared a state of emergency this week as protests continue in the streets.

Thousands of protesters and more than 500 trucks and vehicles have descended on downtown Ottawa in what is being called the “Freedom Convoy.” They’re demonstrating against vaccine mandates and other restrictions on truck drivers—demonstrations that include loud, blaring horns and disruption of traffic, what the city’s police chief calls a “siege” that he cannot manage.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: But some say the government and law enforcement are going too far in their policing of the demonstrations, infringing on the rights of protesters.

The Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom is mounting legal challenges to what it calls government overreach.

Joining us now to talk about this is Allison Pejovic. She is a lawyer with the Justice Center, and she joins us now. Allison, good morning!

ALLISON PEJOVIC, GUEST: Good morning. 

REICHARD: We’ll get to the protests in just a moment. But as we mentioned, the vaccine mandates for truck drivers sparked this movement in the first place. What exactly does the government require?

PEJOVIC: Well, it requires any Canadian truck drivers who are re-entering Canada from the U.S. to be double vaccinated. And if they're not, they have to go into quarantine which causes problems for them being in quarantine for two weeks, and it's very difficult for them to work. And of course, you guys have got a similar mandate as well—Canadian truckers who are not vaccinated can't cross the border south. So we've got issues on both sides of the border.

REICHARD: Ottawa police have arrested I think seven people and fined more than 100 people in what it called “demonstration-related enforcement.” It sounds like at least some of the arrests were justified … for property damage and things like that. But what restrictions are police placing on protesters that you believe do cross the line?

PEJOVIC: Well, I mean, right now they've started to seize fuel for the truckers and in Canada, it's very cold. And the truckers are using this fuel that people are kindly bringing in for them to keep warm. They sleep in the top of their trucks and they need that at nighttime to keep warm. And the police are now confiscating all fuel that they can find. So that's extreme government overreach to now start fining anyone or arresting people for assisting with this protest. And of course, the protest is protected under Canada's constitution. We have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and section two protects their rights to freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful assembly.

REICHARD: You mentioned earlier protections for speech under the Canadian Constitution. What is your legal argument here that these enforcement measures violate the rights of these protesters?

PEJOVIC: Well, really, what we're going to be doing is bringing a legal challenge to the overall mandate, and the vaccine mandate for the truckers and that it violates their right to bodily autonomy, violates their right to privacy—those are protected rights under the charter. So the bigger picture here is the mandate. In terms of the protest itself and any government measures that interfere with a peaceful protest is a violation of the right to assemble peacefully under the charter and to express themselves. And under the legal test, the government has to show demonstrable evidence proving why it's necessary to get rid of and infringe on these peaceful protests. So there's a legal test there that has to be met. And so, you know, we've had many protests in Canada that the government has sort of let go on like Black Lives Matter and indigenous people sometimes will have protested on railways in Canada. But, you know, we've got some very hardworking truckers here in Ottawa and the government is really coming down hard on them and calling them violent when I can tell you—I was on the ground in Ottawa this weekend—there's no violence. There are people playing hockey. There are little kids in bouncy castles. The vibe there is one of love and happiness and being together and people are fighting for freedom and that's really what's going on on the ground. The claim that this is dangerous and violent, it's just not. There's no evidence of that, and no evidence has been provided of that.

REICHARD: Allison, speaking more broadly about COVID restrictions in Canada, can give us an overview of what restrictions remain in your country and which of those is the Justice Centre involved in challenging?

PEJOVIC: Right now, I mean, we've had lockdowns pretty constantly throughout for the last two years. The government brings some freedoms back and lifts some restrictions. And then, you know, months later brings them back in. I know, in the U.S,. you have different states doing different things. And some states are wide open, like Texas and Florida. And some states are locked down pretty hard like California and New York. But in Canada, it's been uniform pretty much across the whole country with, you know, minor differences. But we've been locked down where, you know, in Ontario restaurants were closed recently, they’re just starting to reopen.

It's really the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. Vaccinated people can go into church with no restrictions, they can go into restaurants with no restrictions where restaurants are open, and the unvaccinated in most of the country if not all of the country, they they're not allowed to go to restaurants, go to gyms, get on an airplane. So because Canada is connected to the United States, but no other country by land, if Canadians want to leave the country, because President Biden has the mandate at the land border, any unvaccinated person who wants to leave the country can't drive south, even if they want to go to Mexico, they can't drive south. And they can't get on a plane because now you need a vaccination proof to get on a plane. And they can't get on a boat because that's also been prohibited. So they can't leave the country. And that's very troubling. So our legal team has launched a very important legal challenge to the federal vaccine mandate for travelers. And it's really critical that we win that one because again, as I said, Canadians who are unvaccinated are now prisoners in their own country.

REICHARD: Final question here, Allison: do you think the protest in Ottawa is a reflection of the attitude of a large part of Canadian society? Are Canadians really getting sick and tired of the government’s approach to COVID?

PEJOVIC: You know, it's an interesting question because this protest started with the convoy coming from British Columbia traveling through our main number one highway, which goes through the main cities across Canada. And as soon as the convoy started to pass through the major cities going eastward to Ottawa, all of these people, supporters came out of nowhere. And I think what happened was there were people who were quietly supporting freedoms and were against the mandates, whether they were vaccinated or not, and they came out and were visible. And when people become visible, other people join them. And it just became this movement where it's now okay to come out and say I actually support the truckers and what they're standing for. And then you have the poll coming out that 54 percent of Canadians are not actually in favor of these mandates anymore and these restrictions. So that was a big change. So we can see the majority of Canadians are tired of this and they want it to end.

REICHARD: Allison Pejovic has been our guest. Allison, thanks so much!

PEJOVIC: Thank you so much. Take care.


NICK EICHER, HOST: Everybody loves a good yard sale. Sometimes you can find a real bargain!

A bookstore owner in Boston knows about that first hand. He thought he had come across a piece of rare art, so he sought out a well-known art collector and asked him to have a look at a drawing that his friend picked up at a local yard sale for $30.

He suspected it might be an original by a German Renaissance artist by the name of Albrecht Dürer.

The art expert was skeptical at first, but intrigued enough to put in quite a bit of effort to verify its authenticity.

And now three years later, it does indeed appear to be the real deal.

The drawing is thought to date back to the year 1503.

Estimated value: $10 million dollars and maybe five times that!

Regardless, what we can be sure of is this, it’s worth a lot more than the $30 sale price.

How’s that for a yard sale find?!

It’s The World and Everything in It.


MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Tuesday, February 8th. You’re listening to WORLD Radio, and we’re so glad you are!

Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: The Winter Olympics in Beijing have brought Chinese persecution of Christians into the conversation once again.

WORLD Senior Correspondent Kim Henderson met up with a Chinese pastor in this country who remembers how it used to be in China before the crackdown.

KIM HENDERSON, SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Just last year, Todd Nettleton of Voice of the Martyrs told reporters about the crackdown on Christians in China.

NEWSCAST: What we say in 2021 is that everywhere in China there is intense persecution of Christians. There is intense efforts to control the church…

But it hasn’t always been that way. Things were more open when Dawson Zhang was a young man.

ZHANG: Twenty years ago, I worked in a bank. So I had good salary and real easy job. But I, my heart feel empty.

Zhang tried to fill the empty space in his heart with work. He got involved in a business startup. But his business partners did him wrong.

ZHANG: I felt so frustrated, so, so mad. I think about what's the meaning of life, what I'm living for?

He walked along a street he’d been down hundreds of times, but this time he noticed a church. And words posted on its gate.

ZHANG: That says, everybody has souls, everybody would face the judgment after death. So I never heard about this teaching. My teacher, my parents, my friends, they told me there's no God. People will become nobody, nothing after you die.

Zhang stopped to read the post on the gate. Every line of it.

ZHANG: They said the way to destruction, to death is wide. And the way to eternal life is narrow. And so if you win the whole world but lose your life, what's the benefit for you?

He didn’t know these were the words of Scripture, but he knew they were meant for him.

ZHANG: I continued reading. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to Heaven except by me.” So I'm so excited. I'm so blessed to know about Jesus.

He was excited enough to burst into that church office.

ZHANG: I said, “Hey, boss, manager, if I want to join your organization, OK. How much should I pay?” He said, “OK, well, our church is free for the gospel. Gospel is free for everybody . . .”

And Dawson’s Zhang’s life changed. Dramatically and totally.

Zhang later immigrated to Canada, then to the United States. He was at the Billy Graham Training Center in Asheville, North Carolina, when he heard Asian evangelist Stephen Tong speak.

AUDIO: [STEPHEN TONG]

ZHANG: He called to the audience, “So who wants to become a full time minister or pastor in the future? Come out and stand on stage…”

Zhang went on to earn a Masters of Divinity from Moody Bible Institute and helped plant a church in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. They conducted services in Mandarin Chinese.

ZHANG: The congregation mainly from local Chinese restaurants. Some from faculty at the University of Southern Mississippi. And some are a housewife. And the husband may be American . . .

The church plant was successful. Leaders in the state Baptist convention congratulated them on their fifth anniversary.

AUDIO: [HATTIESBURG CONGRATS]

But it wasn’t all smooth sailing. When the congregation purchased land to build a sanctuary, their neighbor wasn’t happy about it. He was a soldier in the Vietnam War.

ZHANG: He don't like Asian people. Because the war maybe. I understand Chinese and Vietnamese look alike. But we are Christian. We are persecuted by Chinese, by Chinese Communist Army, by Chinese government.

The neighbor made things difficult. He put an old TV and other garbage along the property line. The church built a fence. And when the neighbor passed away, his son moved into the house.

ZHANG: We talk to each other. We can make friends with his son.

AUDIO: [ZHANG PREACHING]

Today, Zhang pastors Montgomery Chinese Christian Church. He arrived in Alabama in 2019 with a noble goal: Reunifying a church split. Zhang first got to know both congregations.

ZHANG: So I am working hard from both sides and join one for Bible study. Join another group for worship service on Sundays.

Then on Easter Day 2020, they launched the new church. They’ve got about 40 people coming for services.

And fellowship is building, too.

AUDIO: [EXERCISE CLASS]

On this cold winter day, ladies come together to exercise using videos with hymns sung in Chinese.

AUDIO: [CONVERSATION IN CHINESE]

The church is in the country. Houses are few and far between. There’s a cattle yard across the road. It’s a far different scene from that street where Zhang first heard the gospel.

ZHANG: This building is 100 years old. They have a certificate in there, is a historical site. [KH: But you’re building history here now.] Yeah. God is making His story - ‘History’ equals ‘His Story’ . . .

Zhang knows people without Christ have empty hearts just like he did, whether they’re in Alabama or in his homeland, with its growing restrictions. He’s part of a program that offers video training to pastors in China. That’s paused because the current environment is so difficult. But he hopes the day will come when he can offer that training in person. In China.

ZHANG: In China now, all the churches are closed. The Bible is taken away, maybe burned, very difficult time in China, so we pray for them. And we try to find some way to reach them. Another way, maybe by internet or by something, by social media, to reach local Chinese pastors. To minister is really, now it's very hard.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kim Henderson in Montgomery, Alabama.


NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Tuesday, February 8th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. Here’s WORLD commentator Janie B. Cheaney on the difference between “identity,” that is to say, something we choose, and “personhood,” that is to say, what God chooses.

JANIE B. CHEANEY, COMMENTATOR: If “down the rabbit hole” is an apt comparison for anything, it’s the Gender Wiki website. This is a waystation for young adults and teens trying to locate themselves on the gender spectrum, with 249 varieties to choose from. For example, Antigender is the opposite of a specific gender while not being that gender. Gardenian is a gender identity that blooms and dies in cycles. A Tarantula is one who feels genderless with a strong female energy.

At least one skeptic in the comments section wonders if people are just making stuff up, to which a true believer replies, quote, “People don’t make up genders, they make up gender labels. Female and male are made up labels.”

Pronouns can be made up, too. Tetrisgender people, who develop their identity incrementally over time, may choose the pronouns block, blockim, and blockself. You’re not likely to meet a Tetrisgender at Walmart, but apparently it’s a thing.

Anyone over 40 could have a lot of fun with 249 genders, flags, and pronouns. But it’s no laughing matter for young people trying to figure out who they are in a confused and confusing world. The real tragedy is some may be so intent on crafting identities that they’ve let go of personhood.

Identity, as we now understand it, is the skin color or sexuality or any other marker, chosen as a primary definition. And it’s inherently limiting. I could “identify” as a woman, an American, and a septuagenarian, but none of those would express who I am as a person.

Personhood is bestowed. The factors that shape us most are the things we did not choose—beginning with being itself. I had nothing to do with my birth, or my parents or grandparents, or my race or country. I didn’t ordain my family’s income or the myocarditis that nearly ended my life at age 12. I couldn’t control what the grownups thought I should learn in school and church, but they, in turn, couldn’t control what I actually learned. The person I became is very different from my siblings, as they are from me. I’m a bottomless being that no one but God can fully plumb.

As Psalm 139:15 says, “My frame was not hidden from you when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth”

Skin color describes a person, but it’s not the person. Transgender feelings may be real, but not definitional. Personhood escapes easy classification: what we are remains essentially mysterious, known fully to God alone.

Identity turns inward; personhood expands outward. The saints described in Hebrews 11 and the saints of today share one trait in common: our eyes are fixed on things unseen. We seek not a handcrafted identity, but God’s promise fulfilled—fully and finally in us, when we see him as he is.

I’m Janie B. Cheaney.


NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: Russia and Ukraine. We’ll analyze the U.S. response to the growing likelihood of invasion.

That and much more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.

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