The World and Everything in It: August 31, 2023

PREROLL: The World and Everything in It is made possible by listeners like me. Hi, I'm Nathan Flack, and I serve the Lord as an officer in the U.S. Air Force. My family and I are celebrating several milestones this weekend. Sunday, September 3rd marks my parents 40th wedding anniversary. My older sister's 18th wedding anniversary and my younger sister's wedding day. What a joy it is to celebrate the gift of marriage as a family. I hope you enjoy today's program.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Good morning! Weight-loss drugs are all the rage right now, but how do they work, and do they really help?

AUDIO: These medications are powerful. And it's not just because you want to look good, it's because they're saving lives.

PAUL BUTLER, HOST: Also, the rise and fall of mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin. Plus, how a woman living as a man had a change of heart.

AUDIO: They called me into the office and they said, "Who are you really?" And I said to them, "I'm a, I'm a man who used to be a woman." And they're like, "we love you. We just can't have you going here."

And WORLD commentator Cal Thomas on why border policies are overwhelming so-called sanctuary cities.

BROWN: It’s Thursday, August 31st. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

BUTLER: And I’m Paul Butler. Good morning!

BROWN: Up next, Kent Covington with today’s news.

SOUND: [Hurricane]

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Hurricane southeast » Idalia is now roaring up the eastern seaboard of the United States after tearing through Georgia and then South Carolina overnight.

North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper said Wednesday:

COOPER: I have authorized National Guard activation, which means soldiers and vehicles are staged in key areas, ready to deploy when and if they’re needed.

Cooper said swiftwater rescue teams were also standing by with boats and helicopters.

Forecasters have predicted that the storm will make a right turn today into deeper Atlantic waters.

Hurricane Florida » Meantime, in Florida, workers are clearing fallen trees and debris from roadways as power crews work overtime to turn the lights back on in thousands of homes.

Gov. Ron DeSantis:

DESNATIS: Today, I was able to visit Taylor County where Hurricane Idalia made landfall. We clearly have significant damage throughout the Big Bend region.

Idalia slammed the Gulf Coast Wednesday with 125 mph winds.

And high winds snapped trees in half, while shredding street signs, sending sheet metal flying.

The massive storm surge swamped coastal homes and washed away vehicles.

Hawaii fire response » President Biden also said Wednesday that amid the hurricane response, his administration has not forgotten about Hawaii.

He said he’s directing almost a $100 million dollars of infrastructure funding to the state … following deadly wildfires.

BIDEN: It’ll mean stronger material. It means burying these lines that transmit the electricity underground. It’s more expensive to do that. But where possible, we should put them underground. They’re safest.

Three weeks after fires devastated parts of Maui, hundreds of residents remain missing … with at least 115 confirmed deaths.

North Korea launch » The White House says North Korea may be close to sealing a deal to sell weapons and munitions to Russia.

National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby:

KIRBY : Now, under these potential deals, Russia would receive significant quantities and multiple types of munitions from the DPRK, which the Russian military plans to use in the Ukraine.

Meanwhile North Korea launched at least two short-range ballistic missiles into its eastern waters yesterday as the U.S. and South Korea carried out joint military drills on the Korean Peninsula.

Gabon coup » In Central Africa, top military commanders have seized control of the coastal nation of Gabon. Military leaders rejected results of a recent vote that reelected President Ali Bongo Ondimba.

They claimed the results were not legitimate and placed the president under house arrest.

The European Union’s foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell says the EU is very concerned about growing upheaval and anti-Western sentiment in the region.

BORRELL: The whole area, starting with Central African Republic, then Mali, then Burkina Faso, now Niger, Gabon — it’s in a very difficult situation.

The takeover in Gabon comes roughly one month after a military coup in Niger.

Actors strike » The cast of hit series “Breaking Bad” reunited this week, not on television screens, but on a picket line.

Actor Bryan Cranston said actors and writers were left with no choice but to strike.

CRANSTON: They don’t and will not ever just go, you know what, I don’t think this is being fair to those people. I’m going to pay them more. It’s just not what they do.

With traditional television, actors and writers get so-called residual paychecks when their shows air in reruns.

But Cranston’s Breaking Bad co-star Aaron Paul says in the age of Netflix:

PAUL: I think a lot of these streamers, the know that they have been getting away with not paying people just fair wage, and now it’s time to pony up.

Writers hit the picket line in May, and actors joined them two months later.

Major studios claim they’ve already made fair offers to both unions, including the biggest boost in minimum pay in 35 years for writers.

I'm Kent Covington.

The plane crash that was anything but an accident. Plus, a de-transitioner’s conversion story.

This is The World and Everything in It.

PAUL BUTLER, HOST:  It’s Thursday, August 31st, 2023. Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Paul Butler.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown. First up today: On a wing and a dare.

The Wagner Group is a mercenary force tens of thousands strong that does the bidding of some of the world’s most ruthless regimes—primarily Russia.

BUTLER: The group’s former leader was one of few in Russia willing to stand up to President Vladimir Putin and the nation’s Ministry of Defense. You’ll hear us refer to that as MOD. In June, Prigozhin marched forces out of Ukraine and across the Russian border. They headed toward Moscow to protest fighting conditions in Ukraine. Prigozhin and Putin worked out an apparent truce, but many wondered how long it would last.

BROWN: The answer to that came last week, when Prigozhin was killed in a plane crash in Russia that most experts agree was not an accident.

Here now is Mary Reichard interviewing John Hardie. He is a policy analyst on Russia at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

MARY REICHARD: John, welcome.

JOHN HARDIE, GUEST: Good to be with you.

REICHARD: John, let’s set the scene. Who was Yevgeny Prigozhin, and how did he rise to such a position of power?

HARDIE: Sure, so he's actually a former convict himself, so not only has he recruited thousands of convicts to fight in Ukraine, he is one himself. He rose in business with catering contracts for state entities, the Kremlin and M.O.D. Eventually was entrusted with the Wagner group. It was created by Russian military intelligence and MOD. So in that role he's done a variety of dirty work for the Kremlin. So social media troll farms are a good example. Your listeners may remember the 2016 presidential election where Russia interfered. His internet research agency was a key organization in that. He was a man who had a finger in a lot of pies. A lot of, as I said, during work through the Kremlin, I think over the course of the war in Ukraine, especially, he saw his star rise. And he had a really intense rivalry with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, and the chief of the Russian General Staff, and he's a person who seems to harbor grudges, and take these rivalries very seriously, just in personal terms. And I think eventually, he just sort of let those rivalries get the best of him and lead him to do something, meaning the mutiny. He really didn't think through the consequences. And ultimately, that led to his demise last week.

REICHARD: In the days since Prigozhin’s plane went down, President Biden and numerous commentators said it was inevitable. Why are they saying that?

HARDIE: Oh, I think if your listeners remember, after the mutiny, in June, there was sort of an uneasy agreement announced by the Kremlin, where Wagner fighters were supposed to go to Belarus, or they could be kind of demobilized and retire, or they could sign contracts with the MOD. You know, looking back in time, that deal didn't really seem tenable. In the long term, it didn't really address Wagner's future, or Prigozhin's role, and it just didn't seem likely that Prigozhin could be allowed to continue to exercise his role in. Wagner, so it's just my opinion, at the time, I thought the Kremlin would eventually try to sideline Prigozhin. Obviously, they ended up doing so by killing him. I think for Putin to allow Prigozhin to continue to live and especially to continue to exercise his role in Wagner sort of undermined his own image in his regime. And so Prigozhin just just had to go. Putin sort of alluded to this in his you might call it any eulogy for Prigozhin, saying he appreciated Prigozhin's achievements and contributions to Russia. But he made essentially choices that left Putin with no choice. I'm kind of reading between the lines of what Putin said, but I think that's the gist.

REICHARD: The Wagner group has troops in action across the globe—Ukraine, Belarus, and West Africa, to name a few places. What happens to those forces now that Prigozhin is dead?

HARDIE: Right, that really is the million dollar question. In the aftermath of the mutiny, it seems like the modus vivendi was Wagner would continue in Africa. It for now would not have a role in Ukraine. It would be allowed to continue its its work in Africa, which from the Russian state is very useful because it spreads Russian influence and interests on the cheap without the Russian MOD having to deploy troops there itself to do those roles. So I think that Wagner, in some form, or fashion will probably persist. But it does seem like since the mutiny happened, that Russian state has been trying to reassert its primacy place in Africa.

REICHARD: Prigozhin supported the war in Ukraine, but sharply criticized Putin’s leadership. Now, similar criticisms are coming from another former general, Igor Strelkov. He’s described Putin’s leadership style as, his words, “cowardly mediocrity.” And he’s in prison and ordered to stay there. That raises two questions: first, how strong is Putin’s real hold on power in Russia? And second, if Putin were somehow deposed, is there a chance an even more ruthless leader would take his place?

HARDIE: So this guy, Strelkov, it's his callsign, former FSB officer named Igor Girkin. He played a key role in in 2014, the initial unrest and invasion of Ukraine and has since become a sort of commentator and political activist far right political activists, ultra-patriotic, as he'd call it. He was imprisoned for for his comments against Putin in general. He's sort of a doom and gloom guy about the Russian war effort. There are others like him. I think his arrest does signal that the Kremlin is worried about not only potential liberal activists for like Navalny, who's been imprisoned, but also the threat from the right. I think for now, Putin's place seems fairly secure, although I think his credibility and his regime's credibility in general was weakened by its apparent helplessness in the face of the Wagner mutiny.

REICHARD: John, it’s great having you back on the program. Thank you so much!

HARDIE: Thank you. 

PAUL BUTLER, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It:

Weight-loss drugs.

AUDIO: We’re learning more about the first weight loss drug approved by the FDA in seven years.

AUDIO: Today I am doing a video follow up about Ozempic.

AUDIO: Could a diabetes drug be a game changer for weight loss?

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Wegovy and Ozempic have caught the attention of influencers and news outlets in recent months, leading to viral stories about the success and sometimes the abuse of these drugs.

The weight-loss drug category is now so hot that analysts at Morgan Stanley are seeing investments soar in companies developing similar drugs. At the same time, investments in other health treatments—like drugs for heart disease or sleep apnea machines—are dropping.

BUTLER: Are these drugs just the latest weight-loss fad, or are they a breakthrough in treating obesity?

WORLD’s Mary Muncy reports.

SOUND: [Gym activity]

MARY MUNCY, REPORTER: Diet and exercise are the traditional ways to lose weight, but that wasn’t working for Sabra Smith.

SABRA SMITH: I have been a yo-yo dieter, all my life since basically, I was 12 years old.

By New Year’s Eve of 2021, she was the heaviest she’d ever been. She knew she knew something needed to change.

She considered bariatric surgery, but she was scared of it. Then she found a program where doctors combine genetic testing with exercise, dieting, and medication if it’s necessary.

SMITH: But one of the things that I learned was that I was not imagining it.

Smith discovered she had a genetic disorder where her body isn’t good at telling her when she’s satisfied and not hungry anymore. And that line between hungry and satisfied matters a lot when navigating obesity versus malnutrition.

Smith typically avoids pharmaceutical treatments unless it’s absolutely necessary, but she decided this was one of those times.

So, her doctors prescribed a drug to help her feel full longer.

That drug is called Wegovy, the brand name form of an injectable medication known as semaglutide. This medication was originally created to help people with Type 2 diabetes by stimulating the pancreas to produce insulin.

At that time, semaglutide was sold under the name Ozempic. But when its creator Novo Nordisk realized that the medication also helped people lose weight, they applied for FDA approval to market it as an obesity drug. 

Dr. Lydia Alexander specializes in obesity and lifestyle medicine. She’s also the incoming president of the Obesity Medicine Association.

She explains that the drug works by mimicking a hormone called GLP-1.

LYDIA ALEXANDER: And when they do that, they increase satiety. So that person is receiving the signaling that they are full and-and the food noise is going away.

The hormone also stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin and slows down digestion so people stay full longer.

There have been various versions of these drugs since 2005, but none have been this effective or convenient. And rival drug makers have taken notice.

Eli Lilly is developing a new drug called tirzepatide under the brand name Mounjaro. Studies show it could help people lose about 26 percent of their weight by adding another hormone to GLP-1. That hormone further suppresses appetite and helps burn fat. The results are about the same as bariatric surgery.

ALEXANDER: These medications are powerful. And it's not just because you want to look good, it's because they're saving lives.

When someone is at an unhealthy weight, they could end up with conditions like insulin resistance, high blood pressure, or high cholesterol, just to name a few.

ALEXANDER: So if we treat the roots instead of the fruits of all the chronic conditions that we're trying to manage, over time, heart disease, and so forth, that instead of playing Whack a Mole with each one of these, we're able to, you know, to treat the root cause and improve people's health.

But these drugs are likely not the cure for obesity.

GILES YEO: My name is Giles Yeo, and I am a professor of Molecular neuroendocrinology at the University of Cambridge.

Yeo says these drugs help bridge the gap between what diet and exercise can do, and what bariatric surgery can do.

YEO: So I do think we are at a an inflection point in in, you know, the history of obesity research, so to speak, in being able to treat obesity and I say the word treat as opposed to prevent because these drugs are not going to prevent obesity.

There are several reasons for this. For one, these drugs don’t fix a hormone imbalance, so once someone is on them, they have to keep taking them to maintain the effect. And even though semaglutide has been around for a while, this particular formulation of it hasn’t. So doctors don’t know what all of the long-term side effects could be.

Right now, one of the most common side effects is nausea, but other rarer ones are popping up as millions of people take the drug.

Another problem is that the market can’t handle the demand of those millions of people right now, pushing the drug out of some people’s price range.

Yeo says there is plenty of semaglutide, but the manufacturers creating the delivery system can’t keep up with demand.

YEO: But as more and more of these drugs hit the market, then I think the price will begin to drop, and then we will get people who really need it getting it.

Even as these drugs become more widely available, Yeo adds that this isn’t the end of obesity.

YEO: These drugs are wonderful for treating obesity. We still need to tackle our diet, our health, our exercise, our poverty, and educating our kids.

Sabra Smith has lost another 100 pounds while on Wegovy. And with the drug’s help, she plans to keep the weight off. But she says she’s still exercising and dieting. She wants the drug to help her maintain a healthy weight, not enable an unhealthy lifestyle.

SMITH: It helps, it can help. It's just like any other medication it has to be really well thought out. It has to be needed and it has to be respected.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Mary Muncy.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Well, you know guys lose their wallets all the time, and the pocket- sized money holders end up in all sorts of places. Audio here from WDAY-TV:

DENNEY: The odds of ever, ever finding a billfold in there, hooking a billfold in 20 foot water, I don't think there would be a number.

That's Jim Denney. He’s a farmer from Iowa who thought he’d never see his wallet again. He lost it on a fishing expedition a year ago while in Minnesota.

A year later, 14-year- old Connor Halsa is fishing on the same lake and hooks Denny's wallet! Of course, it’s soaked with water, moss and two-thousand dollars worth of cash! They also find Denney's business card.

HALSA: My dad said, we should give it to the person, so I told him we should, too.

And they did! Denney offered Halsa reward money, but the high school freshman turned it down. But, what Denney gave him instead was a whole lot more valuable.

DENNEY: I would take Conner for a grandson any day and I'd fight for him anyday.

BUTLER: That is priceless!

BROWN: It’s The World and Everything in It.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Thursday, August 31st. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day. Good morning. I’m Myrna Brown.

PAUL BUTLER, HOST: And I’m Paul Butler. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: A de-transitioner’s conversion story.

Now a quick word to parents: this is a story of redemption. That means there’s an encouraging ending, but the journey to get there includes difficult details that may be too heavy for younger listeners. So you might want to skip ahead seven minutes or hit pause and come back later.

BROWN: Earlier this month, we reported on a hearing in Congress about the ethics of so-called gender affirming care. Supporters claimed that kids who don’t feel at home in their bodies need medical interventions in order to avoid bitter outcomes. But opponents made the case that cross-sex hormone injections and surgeries are bitter outcomes themselves, leading to life-long regret.

BUTLER: This worldview conflict isn’t just happening at the national political level. It’s also happening in communities across the country, including Christian churches.

WORLD Intern Aidan Johnston has our story.

AIDAN JOHNSTON, REPORTER: From a young age, KathyGrace Duncan thought something was wrong with her.

KATHYGRACE DUNCAN: So, um, my story starts when, before I went to kindergarten, so like three, four, I believed I was born into the wrong body. I believe that I should have been born a boy.

KathyGrace says she learned to hate her femininity after she saw her father verbally abuse her mother.

KATHYGRACE: I didn't have the tools to understand what was happening. So I took away that women were weak, women were hated, and women were vulnerable.

The solution seemed obvious: KathyGrace would live as a boy.

KATHYGRACE: So I made a vow at a very early age, and I'm going to be the man my dad is not, and I'm going to rescue women.

Between 2016 and 2019, the number of gender transition surgeries in the U.S. nearly tripled. More and more people are trying to change their gender, but many are admitting that it didn’t work

Walt Heyer lived as a woman for a number of years before returning to life as a man. Now, he helps those who have come to regret transgender procedures. Heyer says that childhood abuse is typical among those who come to him for help.

WALT HEYER: And so 100% of the people I work with all fit into some adverse childhood experience.

If you're a child who has a parent that's been incarcerated. If you're a child who has a parent that's an alcoholic or drug addict. If you're a child who has had a divorce between mom and dad, that was traumatizing.

KathyGrace suffered similar traumatic experiences. In addition to her father abusing her mother, she was molested at a young age by another family member.

When KathyGrace was 16, she began leading a double life. After school, she would dress up as a boy and take other girls out on dates. Three years later, KathyGrace started taking testosterone and began living as a man full time.

KATHYGRACE: So there was hair loss, you know, I had male pattern baldness. And also, my voice deepened. You know, I filled out muscularly wise, I worked out a lot. So, you know, filled out that way. And I had a beard, you know.

This year, multiple women who had treatments like KathyGrace stepped forward to sue their doctors. They say those gender-transition procedures were medical malpractice. Chloe Cole filed her lawsuit in February.

CHLOE COLE: Starting at the age of 13 was when I was placed on puberty blockers, and then a month after that I was put on testosterone. And at 15, the summer just after my sophomore year of high school ended, was when I underwent the mastectomy.

Kayla Lovedahl followed with her own lawsuit in June, then Prisha Mosley and Soren Aldaco in July. The women say their doctors provided things like puberty blockers, testosterone, and surgeries all to make them feel more like men. They believe these so-called treatments are actually medical malpractice that cause significant harm, and they’re still trying to undo the damage.

According to Walt Heyer, these medical practices are bound to fail.

HEYER: No one, no one in history has ever changed their gender. So then we have to sit back and go, What are they doing then? Well, they're destroying who they are, they're not changing their gender.

KathyGrace thought living as a man would fulfill her, but eventually, she discovered what she really needed was a changed heart. It was only two weeks after KathyGrace began taking testosterone and living as Keith that she started attending church.

KATHYGRACE: So the next Sunday, I was there, they called me into the office and they said, Hey, we're hearing these rumors about you. And we just want to know, who are you? Who are you really? And I said to them, I'm a, I'm a man who used to be a woman. And they're like, Okay, well, you know, we love you. We just can't have you going here.

After she was kicked out of church, KathyGrace started dating a Christian woman, without explaining who she really was. Her girlfriend brought her to a new church, where KathyGrace kept her true identity a secret for 6 years.

KATHYGRACE: I was involved in the junior high Ministry had small group boys. I led a men's Bible study, I was in the college age group as well as the single adults everywhere I thought the Lord would be that's where I wanted to be.

That was when KathyGrace’s secret finally came out. Her pastor Dave pulled her aside after a youth group trip.

KATHYGRACE: Dave said, "Hey, I just have some questions for you. I just want to know, who are you? Who are you really, we're hearing some murmurs?" Pretty much the same question that I got from the previous church. And so I said to Dave, I'm a woman living as a man. And that was the truth. I've never been a man who, you know, used to be a woman. I've always been a woman living as a man. And when I said that the Holy Spirit went [BLOWS INTO MIC] and blew into me. I was like, okay, whoa, what just happened? You know. But in that encounter, I realized I have to go back to being the woman that he created me to be.

That day, KathyGrace says the Lord started renewing her mind.

KATHYGRACE: To take it back to the original intent of my thinking, which is, I'm a woman. And that, because I asked the Lord for a long time, so Lord, how did you change my thinking? How did you do that? Because it was in a moment. Because I believed I was man, I was happy, I wasn't looking to get out.

Within two weeks, KathyGrace broke up with her girlfriend, stepped down from church leadership, and started to live in line with her biological sex.

KATHYGRACE: Then I was able to begin to outwardly express being a woman because before that was that was a very fearful thing. So I began to do that was able to crossover going back to living as a woman.

For women like Chloe Cole and Kayla Lovedahl, transitioning back to living as women was a hard journey with lasting physical damage. Chloe Cole regrets that she will never be able to breastfeed a baby, and the effects on her fertility are unknown. KathyGrace needed electrolysis to remove her facial hair. But she highlights that it was God’s redemptive work that allowed her to embrace her womanhood.

Since then, KathyGrace joined the Portland Fellowship which ministers to people struggling with same-sex attraction and transgender feelings. She says that in order to help this generation of youth in situations like hers, the church needs to speak the truth in love. KathyGrace often sees churches respond either only in truth without the kindness of love, or in love without the boundaries of truth. But there’s a better way.

KATHYGRACE: The church approach needs to be “we love you and we love you so much that we don’t want you to stay this way.” And loving them. Truly loving them. And knowing it’s the kindness that leads to repentance.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Aidan Johnston.

PAUL BUTLER, HOST: Today is Thursday, August 31st. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Paul Butler.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown. Up next: the immigration crisis isn’t just at the Southern border anymore. Commentator Cal Thomas explains.

CAL THOMAS, COMMENTATOR: The wave of migrants illegally crossing America’s southern border and the Biden administration’s refusal to do what is necessary to stop them (as in build the wall), was first defended as a humanitarian effort. Biden’s policies were supposed to help people who were fleeing from dictatorships and violence in their home countries. Most traveled from Mexico, Central America and increasingly South America, but more recently from scores of countries as far away as China and Africa.

Early in Biden’s presidency, American compassion was on display as volunteers went to the border to assist with housing, food, and other needs. Soon the flow became uncontrollable. The Biden administration has erroneously claimed the border is closed and under control, while video shows otherwise. Leaders of “sanctuary cities” like Chicago and New York City are now pleading for federal help as they run out of space and money to care for migrants.

Roughly 100,000 migrants have come to New York’s five boroughs, forcing Mayor Eric Adams to come up with emergency shelters.

According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), “Despite the happy talk coming out of the Biden administration, claiming that their policies have reduced illegal immigration, the July Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data show precisely the opposite. 

By every metric, illegal immigration increased last month—at the Southwest border, the Northern border, unaccompanied children, family units and single adults. 

In 2022, U.S. Border Patrol reported “98 encounters with people on the U.S. government’s terrorist watchlist along the southwest border.” Those individuals “were stopped by border agents, and did not escape into the U.S.” What if they had escaped? 

Schools in some areas are being challenged to come up with space and sufficient foreign language speakers to teach migrant children. The public is beginning to push back as hotels, parks and other facilities have been taken over by the migrants. A rally last Monday on Staten Island drew hundreds of people protesting the decision to turn a shuttered Catholic school into a migrant shelter. Protesters have also shown up at the home of New York City Mayor Eric Adams, who once declared New York a sanctuary city where migrants are welcome. Now he and the state are going to spend an estimated $4 billion this coming year housing and feeding “over 57,000 asylum seekers still in [the city’s] care.”

And more are coming.

I’m Cal Thomas.

PAUL BUTLER, HOST: Tomorrow: the prosperity gospel, Joe the plumber, and freedom of expression at school. It’s a lot to talk about with John Stonestreet during Culture Friday.

And a new show from Disney takes a deep-dive into Star Wars lore. We’ll have a review of Ahsoka. That and more tomorrow.

I’m Paul Butler

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown. The World and Everything in It comes to you from WORLD Radio. WORLD’s mission is biblically objective journalism that informs, educates, and inspires.

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