The World and Everything in It - August 27, 2021

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Good morning!

We’ll talk more about the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan today on Culture Friday.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Also today the challenges of capturing the life story of Aretha Franklin on screen.

And your Listener Feedback.

BROWN: It’s Friday, August 27th. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

BROWN: News is next. Here’s Kristen Flavin.

KRISTEN FLAVIN, NEWS ANCHOR: Twelve service members die in attack Kabul airport » Twelve U.S. service members died and 15 others suffered injuries Thursday in a twin attack on the Kabul airport. At least 60 Afghan civilians also died and more than 140 others were wounded.

Two suicide bombers detonated their devices in rapid succession. One outside an airport gate where people had lined up, trying to get in. The other attacker blew up near the Baron Hotel, a staging ground for Afghans and Westerners leaving the country.

General Kenneth McKenzie Jr. is head of U.S. Central Command.

MCKENZIE: While we’re saddened by the loss of life, both U.S. and Afghan, we’re continuing to execute the mission. Our mission is to evacuate U.S. citizens, third country nationals, special immigrant visa holders, U.S. Embassy staff, and Afghans at risk.

The Afghan offshoot of the Islamic State terror group claimed responsibility for the attack on social media. Western officials had warned of a major attack just hours before the bombing.

And McKenzie says he expects more to come.

MCKENZIE: And we’re doing everything we can to prepare for those attacks. That includes reaching out to the Taliban who are providing the security for the outer cordon around the airfield, to make sure they know what we expect them to do to protect us. And we will continue to coordinate with them as they go forward.

But as word of a possible attack spread late Wednesday, a Taliban spokesman denied claims of imminent danger.

In an address to the nation Thursday afternoon, President Biden vowed to continue the mission. And he vowed to find those responsible for killing U.S. service members.

BIDEN: We will not forgive. We will not forget. We will hunt you down and make you pay. I will defend our interests and our people with every measure at my command.

The U.S. State Department estimates about 1,000 Americans are still waiting to leave Afghanistan. Thousands of Afghans are also still trying to flee the country.

Earlier this week, Taliban officials said they would not accept any extensions to the Aug. 31st deadline for a full U.S. troop withdrawal.

Lawsuit against Trump over Jan. 6 Capitol riot » A group of U.S. Capitol Police officers filed suit against former President Donald Trump on Thursday. WORLD’s Anna Johansen Brown has that story.

ANNA JOHANSEN BROWN, REPORTER: The seven officers accuse the former president of intentionally sending a violent mob to the Capitol on January 6th to disrupt the congressional vote certifying Joe Biden’s election.

The suit also names Trump ally Roger Stone, the Trump campaign, and members of two far-right groups, the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.

It alleges the former president violated the Ku Klux Klan Act and committed acts of domestic terrorism in an attempt to stay in power. The Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law filed the suit in federal court in Washington.

Democratic lawmakers have filed two other similar cases in recent months.

The former president has not yet responded to Thursday’s lawsuit.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Anna Johansen Brown.

Storm headed for the gulf coast » Forecasters are keeping an eye on Tropical Storm Ida. It formed Thursday in the Caribbean and could become a major hurricane before hitting the northern U.S. Gulf Coast late Sunday or early Monday.

Dennis Feltgen is with the National Hurricane Center.

FELTGEN: Once it gets into the southeastern Gulf of Mexico, the combination of very low vertical wind shear and a very moist environment is going to allow for some good strengthening.

Forecasters predict the storm will make landfall somewhere in Louisiana. It passed over the Cayman Islands last night and is expected to roll over western Cuba today.

And in the Atlantic, Tropical Storm Nora could bring heavy wind and rain to western Mexico over the weekend. The storm will skirt the coast before making landfall on Mexico’s Baja Peninsula early next week.

California fires grow and spread » AUDIO: [Fires crackling, wind blowing]

Meanwhile, in California, wildfires continue to threaten communities on both ends of the state.

In Northern California, the Caldor Fire is getting dangerously close to Lake Tahoe. A sickly yellow haze blanketed the popular vacation spot on Thursday.

The Caldor Fire has consumed 500 homes since it started on August 14th. But the Dixie Fire remains the state’s largest. It has burned more than 11-hundred square miles and 13-hundred buildings. Seven hundred of those are homes. And in the southern Sierra Nevadas, 10 communities near Lake Isabella are under evacuation orders as the French Fire grows.

In Southern California, a new fire erupted earlier this week in the foothills northeast of Los Angeles. Fire crews quickly subdued it. But officials warn hotter weather over the weekend will once again boost the risk of new blazes.

Supreme Court ends eviction moratorium » The Supreme Court has thrown out the Biden administration’s eviction moratorium.

In an unsigned opinion issued late Thursday, a majority of the justices ruled the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not have the authority to enact the ban. The opinion said such a move required explicit congressional authorization.

The court’s three liberal justices dissented.

The Trump administration issued the first eviction moratorium in the early months of the pandemic. Landlords say it lasted longer than was necessary, especially as the economy began to recover. But as many as three and a half million people recently told the Census Bureau they face eviction within the next two months.

I’m Kristen Flavin. Straight ahead: evil on display in Afghanistan.

Plus, your Listener Feedback.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: It’s Friday, August 27th, 2021.

Glad to have you along for today’s edition of The World and Everything in It. Good morning, I’m Myrna Brown.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. 

We are now four days away from the Taliban deadline for the West to leave Afghanistan. Just a reminder of the actual stakes—what we may be leaving behind even as the Taliban engage in media spin that this is a kinder, gentler terror group. Our WORLD colleague Mindy Belz—from a conversation a few days ago on this program—on the difference between words and actions.

BELZ: The people that I've talked to, none of them believe that this is a gentler Taliban. And one example I'll give you is that one of the first directives that the Taliban Cultural Commission issued as it started retaking the provincial capitals a couple of weeks ago, it was a directive to the local Islamic leaders saying, “Please identify and send to us the girls aged 15, and widows up to age 45, so that they can be married to Taliban fighters.” I’ve seen the actual order itself, and that is what the women in Afghanistan are going [through]. They are all trying to get out. And it's just because of the kind of fear and the actual reality of what the Taliban is doing on the ground.

It’s Culture Friday. I want to welcome John Stonestreet, the president of the Colson Center and host of the Breakpoint podcast. Morning, John.

JOHN STONESTREET, GUEST: Good morning.

EICHER: Of course, Afghanistan is swamping all the news, and probably rightly so. But considering that Taliban deadline of August 31st coming on Tuesday, I think we’re all mindful of the possibility that many people may be left behind—maybe not American citizens, we’ll have to see—but Afghans who simply cannot live under Taliban rule.

Our latest WORLD magazine just went up online—maybe ironically dated September 11th 2021, 20 years to the date after 9/11—and we’re saying on the cover, “Squandering American Sacrifice.” That’s a bitter pill.

STONESTREET: It's hard to believe it's been 20 years, it's hard to believe that the circumstances over the last year on the ground in Afghanistan have changed so quickly, and have become so dreadful on so many different levels. It's hard to imagine just short of the Taliban, targeting and executing more people. And now we're just talking about evil of scale, that it could be much worse than it is right now. And putting it in the light of that history is even harder to swallow as an American. But of course, for Islam,  as this version of Islam in particular, the 20 years isn't the story. That's just the most recent chapter of a story that goes back centuries. And that's really one of the reasons that we're seeing, you know, what we're seeing 20 years after 9/11 is because our historical memory is not good enough. It's not big enough, it's not seeing the world in the same sort of categories. Also, our secular categories of seeing nations governed on economic terms are just purely political realities, misses a whole section of life in the world that the Islamic world, particularly this kind of Muslim takes very, very seriously. And that is kind of eternal commitments to things that are believed to be true, even if they're not. I will say, you know, I had a long conversation with Mindy Belz about a week ago. And I asked her the same question. Obviously, we've heard about many people who have served in the military over the last several decades, feeling like what was all this for? Who were on the ground there who had to go door to door there who had to face down the Taliban, at their worst moments, who lost friends loved ones, asking the same question, what was it all for? And Mindy pointed out to me that, you know, it's not a nothing. I guess it's it's worth saying that there hasn't been another attack on that scale in the last 20 years. And a big reason for that has been just simply the fact that the war was taken to the Taliban to al Qaeda that was being harbored in Afghanistan. So are we creating another context which can make another 9/11 sort of attack possible? In the next several years, that could possibly be true, but we have had 20 years of living in a place where there were expected attacks, and they never actually happened here, at least not to that scale.

BROWN: John, I wonder whether we’re looking at a terrible humanitarian situation unfolding in real time here—especially for Afghanistan’s Christians or any religious minority for that matter—and we hear this often whenever we contemplate violent, open persecution of the church: we hear that the religious liberty battles here at home just pale in comparison to what Christians in openly hostile lands have to suffer. In other words: How can you worry about lawsuits or loss of livelihood when other Christians are looking down the barrel of a gun? What do you think about that observation?

STONESTREET: Yeah, we are looking at a terrible humanitarian situation and a terrible potential martyrdom, actually, there was some reports posted on Facebook this week that suggested that there was a kind of a vast martyrdom of a young but growing and courageous church in Afghanistan, and I haven't seen those reports confirmed. So I'm not ready to say what the scale has been. And it is something that should, I think, drive us to lift up our brothers and sisters and ask that their heroic courage and example will be a testimony to their persecutors. as has been the case throughout so much of history. That's what's so crazy by losing you win, by dying you live. That's the back to front narrative of Christianity. And it's not really back to front. It's the world being put right side up because of the work and the resurrection of Christ Jesus. 

But your question is a good one. And it's an important one. And a few weeks ago, I was on a panel talking about that very question with a religious freedom advocate who had actually grown up in an African nation that his parents had fled in order to flee just great persecution. And he actually was very comfortable using the word persecution for what was being seen in America, the loss of rights, the loss of livelihoods, Jack Phillips, Baronelle Stutzman being examples of all of them. And and it struck me that the people who are most comfortable using the word persecution even though at a different scale, for what we're seeing in the West, the growing intolerance of religious belief, the growing intolerance, of Christian belief, in particular, and behavior and moral belief, are those who have actually experienced real persecution that we would call and we're the ones that are most uncomfortable using that word. I'm really uncomfortable. I mean, I'll be honest, I mean, there's no comparison for what our brothers and sisters in Afghanistan and Nigeria, in particular, those are two nations front and center in my mind, and what we're dealing with, but those who have actually gone through it, I think of the stories that Rod Dreher tells in his book Live Not by Lies. And I've said for a long time that I think that the best contribution that book makes is it introduces us to heroes of the faith that will go down in history, but it hasn't been that long ago in history for them to make the history books yet. And he went and met with so many of them, and they're comfortable looking at what's happening in America and saying this looks an awful lot like what we have seen an X, Y and Z in the past. I think that's an interesting observation. 

I say that and still say, I'm still uncomfortable, you know, making any sort of comparison, and that we should be driven to our knees and care about what's happening to our brothers and sisters, especially in Afghanistan. We talked about that before that one side of why we should care about religious freedom in America is that there's no other ally of religious freedom that has both the influence, the voice, the, and the ability to actually do something about persecuted religious minorities like America. So if we don't care about it here, then it's not only you know, the impact is not only to private citizens here, it's our ability to actually advocate for those who are facing incredible persecution around the world. Most of the world just doesn't come to this fight. It just doesn't, you know, stand up and step up to this challenge. Like America has the ability in the history of doing that's a big loss. And, man, I can't think of certainly any event in my lifetime. And maybe I'm being short sighted here, but I can't think of another event in my lifetime that would have done more damage to our worldwide reputation as standing for keeping promises than this one.

BROWN: John Stonestreet is president of the Colson Center and host of the Breakpoint podcast. Thanks, John

STONESTREET: Thank you both.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Here’s a public service announcement for you: Something you must never do, and that is never land your helicopter in the parking lot of a Dairy Queen. There’s only one exception to this simple rule—and a 33-year-old man from the Canadian province of Saskatchewan is in a bit of legal hot water after landing his helicopter and not qualifying for the exception.

Royal Canadian Mounted Police in tiny Tisdale, Saskatchewan say the pilot from a nearby town touched down in the parking lot. A passenger then exited the chopper and walked inside to pick up an ice cream cake.

A mountie spokesman said “When it landed, the helicopter blew up dust and debris through the area, which includes schools, an aquatic center and more.”

Now a word about the exception, the Mounties said that if the parking lot landing had been an emergency, the pilot wouldn’t be in trouble. But apparently, even the fiercest craving for a tasty treat doesn’t qualify as an emergency. Good to know.

It’s The World and Everything in It.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Friday, August 27th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Nick Eicher.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: And I’m Myrna Brown. Coming next on The World and Everything in It: life on screen.

In recent years, biographical pictures have gotten increasingly popular. These films tell a sweeping history through the narrow lens of a single person.

EICHER: But as WORLD’s Sarah Schweinsberg reports, effectively condensing someone’s life into a two hour film is no easy task.

AUDIO: [SOUND OF SET]

SARAH SCHWEINSBERG, REPORTER: In January, 2020, hundreds of extras gathered at the First Congregational Church in downtown Atlanta. Men and women dressed in 1960s-era business suits and dresses sat in the pews.

On stage, a woman wearing a yellow skirt suit with a matching yellow pillbox hat took her place behind the pulpit. She belted out rifts of There is a Fountain Filled with Blood.

MUSIC: [Sinners, sinners perch beneath that flood]

The congregants raised their hands, waving fans and shouting hallelujah and amen.

If I didn’t know I was on a movie set, I would have felt like I had stepped back into an actual 1960s church service. This was the set of Respect… a new biopic on the life of Aretha Franklin, the Queen of Soul.

MUSIC: [I Never loved a Man the way I love you]

The movie is playing in theaters now, and it stars singer Jennifer Hudson as Aretha Franklin.

AUDIO: Aretha, you do talk, don’tcha? Not just sing?

I’d like you to call me Miss Franklin.

Aretha Franklin was interested in having a biopic made about her life for years. But the Detroit Free Press reported that film producers believed creating a successful movie about her life wouldn’t really be possible until after her death.

The deeply private singer would have resisted the script needed to tell her story. In particular, she was sensitive to how her family would be portrayed. But film producer Scott Bernstein said family, with all its complications, is really the key to her story.

BERNSTEIN: You realize it's really a movie about family. You realize her family, how much it meant to her and how complex all their relationships were. Because as we know, Aretha Franklin's a very complex character.

That’s one of the challenges of creating a successful biopic: Getting across that complexity, the quirks, the hypocrisies inherent in every human being. Those are what make even icons like Aretha Franklin relatable.

BERNSTEIN: She believes, she cries, and she hurts like the rest of us, but she also overcomes it.

The movie shows Aretha Franklin’s numerous struggles. Her mother died of a heart attack when she was just 10. And the film, rated PG-13 for language and sexuality, alludes to how an older boy raped her. Franklin gave birth to her first son when she was just 12 years old, and her second son at age 15.

AUDIO: How is Aretha doing?

Aretha’s doing alright.

Just alright? Singing is sacred, Ree. And you shouldn’t do it just because somebody wants you to.

Music—Gospel in particular—became her way of coping. Franklin toured the country with her minister father… promoting the civil rights movement by singing at church services like the one I saw filmed in Atlanta.

The movie also shows the difficult relationships Aretha Franklin had with men. Her father controlled her talent. He had to approve which record label Aretha signed with, what songs she sang, and even what she wore.

AUDIO: I need a change. I want to sing what I want to sing.

To get away, Franklin left home with the man who became her first husband. Their marriage eventually ended amid reports of domestic abuse.

AUDIO: How many albums have you had?

Four.

And no hits. Honey, find the songs that move you . Until you do that you ain’t going nowhere.

Even as Franklin’s hits eventually rolled in, her happiness was short-lived. Under the shadow of her traumatic past and the pressure to produce more hits, she turned to alcohol.

As detailed as it is, the film falls short in humanizing Franklin in one way. It doesn’t give much of an idea of what she thought or felt about everything that happened to her. That could be because nobody knows what the private Franklin really did think.

But it’s also difficult for biopics to hit the right balance of artistic interpretation with accurate, historical facts. Director Liesl Tommy said she and her team wanted to focus on what they knew for sure about Franklin’s life.

TOMMY: We researched everything to an inch of its life. So there's a lot of things that they were like, that's exactly the way they were dressed, the product or that's, that was, you know, how it really was.

The second challenge biopic directors face is choosing which part of a character’s life to focus on. Bite off too much or the wrong part and the movie becomes a dull Wikipedia entry. Producer Scott Bernstein says even Aretha Franklin herself struggled to understand that before her death in 2018.

BERNSTEIN: When we first talked about the movie, she thought we were taking her whole life from the cradle to the grave. And I kept trying to explain to her, No, no, no, the movie stops in 1972.

The creators of Respect wisely choose to portray a 20 year period of Franklin’s early life—tracking her budding career through its initial struggles—to when Franklin recorded her best-selling album of all time: her Gospel tracks.

Director Liesl Tommy wanted her story to start and end in the church.

TOMMY: You know, like, go away, have a, have a crisis, and then find your, your faith again, not that she ever lost her faith, but she did lose her way.

Finally, a successful biopic has to nail casting. And when the movie is about the Queen of Soul, that means the pipes are vital. That day on set, it was easy to hear why Aretha Franklin handpicked Jennifer Hudson for the role.

Hudson spent six months learning how to embody Franklin before filming started, even learning how to play the piano. And she sang most of the film’s song’s live on set—like this rendition of “Amazing Grace.”

MUSIC: [AMAZING GRACE]

So why were the creators of Respect so passionate about telling Franklin’s story in particular? Director Liesl Tommy says she wanted to hit home how Aretha Franklin’s career helped advance the lives of all Black Americans.

And she wanted audiences to see that with faith and perseverance, you too can find your voice.

TOMMY: I truly hope that a new generation of people, and artists, listen to her music in this film and, and her and look at her, her process and understand that's to connect yourself is to connect to you know, everyone… I feel like that's one of the things that I'm kind of embedding into this film that people can receive from Aretha’s experience.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Sarah Schweinsberg in Atlanta, Georgia.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Today is Friday, August 27th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Myrna Brown.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher. Time now for Listener Feedback.

But let’s begin with a few corrections. First, during our anniversary coverage, we told you the name of the program came from two passages of Scripture. We were right about that part, but…

AUDIO: In talking about Mars Hill you mention Peter speaking on Mars Hill in book of Acts. So it was Paul and I think you know that but just thought I'd bring that to your attention …

Thanks to listener Duncan Holmes of Fredericksburg, Texas, we did know that. Paul was the speaker—not Peter—it was Paul who referred to the God who made the world and everything in it. We can only chalk that one up to the oral equivalent of a typo.

BROWN: And on our August 17th program, we said the U.S. military was using C-130 cargo planes to airlift Americans out of Afghanistan. Those aircraft are actually C-17s.

EICHER: OK, moving on now to the piece that generated the most feedback this month—not even close. That was Whitney Williams’s commentary about worshipping God in nature. Most listeners who emailed or called us did so in vigorous disagreement. We’ll let listener Melvyn Michaelian summarize the views of most.

MICHAELIAN: Whitney, your suggestion about taking time off from attending worship services at church on Sunday is a wonderful idea but should be practiced on Monday through Saturday. Sunday is the Lord’s day and Hebrews 10:25 warns us not to neglect meeting together as is the habit of some but encouraging one another. That is what we should be doing with our children. Thank you.

BROWN: Listener Jana Murray had this to say.

MURRAY: I enjoy Whitney Williams’ transparent and inspiring commentary. Our family is also outdoorsy. WE love to leave the comforts of home and be inspired by God’s majesty shown in his creation. We probably annoy our camping neighbors by singing God’s praise around our fire. But when Sunday morning comes, we wipe off the first layer of dirt and find a local church. The building may be run down and the worship is often different than what we’re used to. When our children were little, we attended a service where the sanctuary was decorated with balloons. One of our six kids leaned over and said, I think this is a party, not a church. We once attended a church camping trip where we attended a wonderful time of outdoor worship on a Sunday morning. My concern about Williams’ commentary is that people would use it as an excuse to skip church. So, while I get the draw to go exploring on a Sunday morning, I think we miss something when we forego assembling together. There’s nothing mystically spiritual in a building. We learned from COVID and the first century church that worship can happen outdoors, online, or in catacombs. Gathering together is God’s command and our joy.

EICHER: Well said, and for our part, let me just say this one’s on us. We should have done a much better job in editing and refining this commentary to reflect WORLD's commitment to the regular gathering together as believers. We missed an opportunity to reinforce that. Our lack of clarity might have led you to doubt our orthodoxy on this matter. So thank you for writing in with your thoughtful critiques and concerns. We appreciate the time you took to share your feedback with us. You have our commitment as a team always to strive to do better.

BROWN: Moving on now to some of our other coverage. First, Sarah Schweinsberg’s story from last week about vaccine mandates.

BRADEN: Hi guys, it’s Kathleen Braden here in Beckwith, Ontario, Canada. I wanted to thank you so much for the piece you did on Kaitlyn and the coerced medical interventions at many post-secondary educational institutes. I have a very similar experience here in Canada. My oldest son is being held back from attending in-person classes at our university here. It’s very discouraging after 12 years of homeschooling to see his education stagnate like this. I wanted to thank you so much for providing what was a sober and thoughtful piece on some of the ramifications of these types of governmental mandates. Please keep it up! We sure love your podcast. God bless.

BROWN: Next, comments on commentary.

BERNATH: Good morning, this is Richard Bernath. And I just wanted to say thank you to Kim Henderson for bringing back wonderful memories from childhood—long summer days and racing up and down the street on my StingRay bicycle with all my friends. You all are a joy, and I really am thankful for all the uplifting stories besides balanced news. Thank you!

NICHOL: Hi, my name is Tracy Nichol. I listen from Quakertown Pennsylvania. I'm a homeschooling mom of six kids eleven and under, and so your podcast is really my way of keeping up with what's going on in the world, but not become burdened and discouraged by it. I also wanted to particularly comment on Steve West’s piece about his wife and her jigsaw puzzles. My particular hobby is crochet, and I never really thought about the fact that the creation mandate really speaks to that, that when I take just balls of yarn and a pattern and a hook and put it together into some kind of a craft that I am in a way making a creation just as God did. So thank you so much and keep up the great work.

BROWN: We also heard from several who have appreciated our coverage of what’s happening in Afghanistan.

BOWKER: Hi, my name is Meghan. I live in Alaska. I’d like to thank Emily Whitten for her story regarding prayer for the situation in Afghanistan. She interviewed a man who represents Open Doors. She also asked him to pray at the end of the story, and of course that made perfect sense. And it was really sweet to stop and take a few moments to pray with him, because of course, to pray is the very most important thing that we can do.

EICHER: Before we go, we have an important announcement to make. We have a winner in WORLD’s 2021 Hope Awards for Effective Compassion. Safe Harbor Free Clinic in Stanwood, Washington, won the $10,000 first prize. Our other finalists will each receive $2,000—to help further their work—all of them in California. They are Christian Encounter in Grass Valley; Westside Ministries in Turlock; and East County Transitional Living Center in El Cajon.

BROWN: WORLD reporters visited each of these ministries earlier this year. We’ll place a link to our special episode about their work in today’s transcript. Thanks to all who voted and by voting helped select this year’s winner.

NICK EICHER, HOST: It is time to thank our team.

Mary Reichard, Kent Covington, Katie Gaultney, Kristen Flavin, Sarah Schweinsberg, Jenny Rough, Kim Henderson, Anna Johansen Brown, Onize Ohikere, Hayley Schoeppler, Janie B. Cheaney, Jill Nelson, Jenny Lind Schmitt, and Cal Thomas.

MYRNA BROWN, HOST: Johnny Franklin and Carl Peetz are our audio engineers who stay up late to get the program to you early! Leigh Jones is managing editor. Paul Butler is executive producer. And Marvin Olasky is editor in chief.

And you! Thank you because your giving makes possible independent Christian journalism.

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

Lord willing, we’ll meet you back here on Monday.

Go now in grace and peace.

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