The World and Everything in It: August 12, 2025

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MARY REICHARD, HOST: Good morning!

A Christian charity won a lawsuit by a former employee fired over her same-sex relationship.

DUMMERMUTH: The customer service representative in this case said she was discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation. World Vision said, ‘No, we made our decision based on our religious beliefs.’

NICK EICHER, HOST: We’ll talk about that case and more.

Later, a retiring physician says younger doctors just see the profession differently.

MILLS: The first question we get asked is “Do I have to work on the weekend, or do I have to work at night?” Which, from our generation, we just assumed that came with the territory.

REICHARD: It’s Tuesday, the 12th of August. This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Mary Reichard.

EICHER: And I’m Nick Eicher. Good morning!

REICHARD: Now the news with Kent Covington.

KENT COVINGTON, NEWS ANCHOR: Trump Washington D.C.  » The federal government has assumed control over Washington D.C.’s Metropolitan Police Department.

President Trump declared a public safety emergency in the District of Columbia Monday and announced the Justice Dept. will take the lead in policing the district.

TRUMP:  Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and blood thirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs and homeless people, and we're not gonna let it happen anymore. We're not gonna take it.

But D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser told reporters:

BOWSER:  I believe, um, that the president's view of D.C. is shaped by his COVID era experience during his first term, and it is true that those were more challenging times related to some issues.

But D.C.’s Democratic attorney general says violent crime in D.C. reached historic 30-year lows last year and is down again this year.

Trump says he does not buy those numbers and that crime in the district is still rampant.

Attorney General Pam Bondi says the head of the DEA will take the lead:

BONDI:  Terry Cole is going to be supervising the Metro Police Department, Gadi Serta. Our US Marshal is going to be supervising command and control.

Under a 1973 statute, the president can take control of D.C.’s police for 48 hours without telling Congress. But after notifying lawmakers in writing, he can extend control for 30 days. After that, he can renew that authority if Congress signs off on it.

Trump said he is also deploying the National Guard to help reestablish law and order in the nation's capital.

Austin Texas shooting » Police in Austin, Texas say a gunman killed three people outside of a Target store Monday.

Police Chief Lisa Davis described the suspect as a 32-year-old man with a—quote—“mental health history.”

She said the suspect, after opening fire in the parking lot, stole a car from the scene:

DAVIS: Took that car, wrecked that car, then hijacked another car. He was then found by Austin PD in South Austin where he was taken into custody after a tasing.

Authorities said two of the victims were pronounced dead at the scene and a third died at a local hospital.

SOUND: [Strike aftermath, children screaming]

Israel-Gaza latest » More than a dozen Palestinians were reportedly killed in two Israeli airstrikes in Gaza City yesterday.

Some Palestinians aimed their anger at Hamas.

ANGRY MAN: [Speaking Arabic]

Video shows this man carrying the body of a child and screaming...you've killed our children, Hamas! You've killed our children!

Another man seated near the bodies of children could reportedly be heard calling on God to punish Hamas.

Condemnation of the terror group within the Gaza Strip is growing louder, even as many world leaders have directed their ire at Israel over civilian suffering.

Also yesterday, hundreds turned out for the funerals of a number of Al Jazeera journalists killed in Israeli airstrikes. The Israeli military said one of the men was the leader of a Hamas cell and says it has the rosters, terrorist training lists, and salary records to prove it. Al Jazeera denies the allegations.

Maxwell transcripts » A federal judge has refused to make public secret grand jury testimony from the case of Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell. Benjamin Eicher reports.

BENJAMIN EICHER: Federal Judge Paul Engelmayer in Manhattan said Monday that releasing the materials would undermine the confidentiality that is essential to grand jury proceedings

The judge also said the materials offered virtually no new information beyond what has already been revealed.

And he suggested the government’s motivation for requesting the unsealing was a—“diversion—aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such.”

A jury in 20-21 found that Ghislaine Maxwell helped Jeffrey Epstein recruit, groom, and abuse underage girls.

Maxwell is currently serving a 20-year prison sentence for sex trafficking and related crimes.

For WORLD, I'm Benjamin Eicher.

Texas redistricting fight » A political standoff over a new congressional map in Texas continues with no end in sight.

Many Democratic state lawmakers remain camped out in blue states to deny the Texas House the two-thirds attendance threshold needed for a quorum. That means the House cannot vote on the new Republican-drawn redistricting map.

Texas Republican House Speaker Dustin Burrows said Monday:

BURROWS:  You can go to another city, another state, even another time zone, but you cannot escape your responsibility to the people of Texas. Eventually you will be here.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has issued civil arrest warrants for the absent lawmakers. And Burrows says those Democrats will be held financially liable for the cost of trying to track them down. They’re also facing $500-a-day fines.

But one of those Democrats, Mihaela Plesa told reporters:

PLESA:   Any consequences that comes to us being here, we will gladly take.

Gov. Abbott has also threatened to remove those lawmakers from office, though Democrats claim he lacks that authority.

The newly drawn map could give the GOP five more Republican-leaning districts in Texas.

Wisconsin flooding » The Milwaukee area is drying out after historic weekend rainfall. More than 14 inches reportedly fell in less than 24 hours in one area, pushing rivers beyond their banks, washing out vehicles, and cutting power to thousands.

One suburban Milwaukee resident described to WISN-TV how flood waters overtook his car.

AUDIO I got out the car, climbed on top of the car, first of all, like I got out the car and slipped under into the water, but I climbed back up. That's how I busted my knuckles and everything..

The National Weather Service says four rivers in the Milwaukee area hit record-high levels.

As of Monday, no fatalities have been reported.

About 2,000 homes remained without power. And there was more rain in the forecast but nothing like the weekend deluge.

I'm Kent Covington.

Straight ahead: a conversation with WORLD’s Steve West on a couple freedom of conscience cases. Plus, changing policies meant to protect religious freedom of federal employees.

This is The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: It’s Tuesday the 12th of August.

This is WORLD Radio and we’re glad you’ve joined us today! Good morning, I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

First up on The World and Everything in It: two court wins with big implications for religious liberty and free speech.

One involves a music teacher who refused students’ preferred pronouns. The other: the Christian relief ministry, World Vision, defending its right to hire only those who share its beliefs.

Joining us now is Steve West, an attorney who writes about religious liberty for WORLD.

REICHARD: Good morning, Steve!

STEVE WEST: Good morning, Mary!

REICHARD: We've talked about the Kluge case before. Can you give us a quick refresher?

WEST: Sure. Kluge taught music at Brownsburg Community School in Indiana. The school required teachers to use students’ preferred names and pronouns, even when they didn’t match the student’s sex. Kluge asked for a religious accommodation under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits workplace discrimination.

REICHARD: I understand he tried to find middle ground?

WEST: He sure did. He agreed to use only students’ last names, much like a coach would. That way he could avoid using pronouns altogether.

REICHARD: And how did the school respond to that?

WEST: Well at first, the school allowed it. But a few complaints came in, and the school told him to follow the policy to the letter or face the consequences. The school gave him an ultimatum: comply, resign. or be fired. So Kluge resigned in 2018 after four years at the school.

REICHARD: And he sued the next year?

WEST: Right, right. He lost at the trial court, and appealed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in 2021, which sent the case back after the Supreme Court’s Groff v DeJoy decision. That ruling raised the standard for when employers can deny religious accommodations—they had to prove the requested accommodation would cause a significant hardship.

But the trial court again sided with the school! So Kluge appealed a second time last summer, arguing the school cannot show his requested accommodation caused it “undue hardship.”

REICHARD: So now what happens?

WEST: The appeals court just revived the case and sent it to a jury. It did signal that the accommodation request likely didn’t cause undue hardship. But the jury will decide two things: whether using last names only hurt students emotionally and whether Kluge sincerely holds his beliefs. Courts usually give wide latitude on sincerity, so I think he has a good shot at this.

REICHARD: And that really does matter because courts tend to be less protective of high school teachers’ rights than college professors when it comes to say pronoun use with minors, who are ostensibly more impressionable because they’re younger. Although that can be argued both ways.

Alright well, let’s talk about the World Vision case. Now that has been going on for more than four years.

WEST: Right. World Vision requires all its employees to agree to a statement of faith and follow biblical standards of conduct. Many faith-based groups have similar requirements.

Here, a woman named Aubry McMahon applied in late 2020 for a remote donor services position. But she was married to another woman, pregnant via a sperm donor, and active in LGBTQ causes. A few days after offering her the job, McMahon asked about leave for her baby’s upcoming birth. World Vision withdrew the offer, saying she didn’t comply with its conduct policy that bars sexual relationships outside marriage between one man and one woman.

REICHARD: And so McMahon sued for discrimination too, didn’t she?

WEST: She did. This case has bounced around in the court system, but the latest ruling says that World Vision’s action is protected by the “ministerial exception.” That’s a First Amendment doctrine that gives religious institutions broad autonomy over hiring and firing for positions with vital religious duties.

REICHARD: Okay, well, I hear room for argument in that phrase, “vital religious duties.” I mean, a pastor or theology teachers fits that, and now a customer service rep who interacts directly with donors fits under that. But what about say, accountants or secretaries or janitors?

WEST: The court avoided answering that. It said hiring for non-religious roles would still be subject to nondiscrimination laws. But some lawyers argue there’s a broader religious autonomy principle that protects a faith-based organization’s right to require all employees to share its beliefs.

So here’s lawyer Rachel Morrison who filed a brief on behalf of the Ethics and Public Policy Center:

MORRISON: Religious organizations are able to choose who is going to serve in these key roles at their religious organizations, but also the restraint on courts and the government from being able to come in and tell a religious organization, ‘No, you have to keep this person employed at your organization. This person is the person who has to be your mouthpiece’

REICHARD: So, she’s saying a Christian organization can require all employees to be practicing Christians?

WEST: That’s right. And that makes sense. No faith group should be forced to hire or retain an employee who actively opposes its mission.

REICHARD: But the court did not address that broader autonomy argument or Title VII’s religious exemption?

WEST: Right, and that’s likely because the ministerial exception is more settled law and better understood by the courts.

But Becky Dummermuth of First Liberty Institute filed a brief emphasizing that Title VII (that’s the federal workplace discrimination law) already has a religious exemption. It lets religious organizations hire based on religion, even though Title VII bars discrimination based on race, age, sex, national origin, and after the Supreme Court’s Bostock decision, sexual orientation and gender identity.

DUMMERMUTH: There's … currently a debate … of whether that exemption exempts religious organizations just from hiring on the basis of religion, or if it applies to those other things as well …. I mean, the customer service representative in this case said she was discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation. World Vision said, ‘No, we made our decision based on our religious beliefs.

REICHARD: So bottom line is the ministerial exception is strong law, but broader claims of religious autonomy or exemption under Title VII are still being contested.

WEST: Right. And we’ll also just have to see if this case gets appealed to the full court of appeals or to the U.S. Supreme Court. But for now it’s a clear win for religious organizations. The broader point is that it’s vital for faith-based groups to maintain their mission integrity. That makes for a healthier, richer cultural life, no matter whether you share their beliefs. That’s really a win for everyone.

REICHARD: Steve West writes about religious liberties for WORLD. You can read his work at wng.org and subscribe to his free weekly newsletter, Liberties. Steve, always good to have you on. Thank you!

WEST: Thank you, Mary.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Coming up next on The World and Everything in It: “Alligator Alcatraz.”

As the Trump administration puts into use state-run detention centers for those about to be deported, are the rights of the detainees being respected? And what exactly are those rights?

WORLD’s Josh Schumacher reports.

JOSH SCHUMACHER: Gonzalo Almanza is a lawful permanent resident of the United States.

VALDEZ: His parents won a lottery in Cuba, so they came here April, 1 of 2000. Gonzalo was six years old.

That’s Aschly Valdez. She’s Almanza’s longtime girlfriend and the mother of his child.

VALDEZ: his card is still active. He is, and he was in the process of renewal. He was within time frame.

But in July, Almanza became an inmate at Alligator Alcatraz, a detention facility in Florida’s Everglades region. Like California’s infamous Alcatraz prison in San Francisco, the Florida facility is billed as a place impossible to escape from. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis:

DESANTIS: And one of the reasons why this was a sensible spot is because you have this runway that's right here. you go a couple thousand feet and they can be on a plane and out of here.

Gov. DeSantis has said every single inmate at the facility has deportation orders. But Almanza doesn’t fit that bill.

Almanza does have criminal convictions for theft and racketeering. And those convictions could make him eligible for deportation, but not without going through a certain process.

Anna Weiser is Alamanza’s lawyer.

WEISER: Yes, he could be placed in removal proceedings, but he has to be given proper notice, right? The judge has to oversee his case. He has a right to at least a bond hearing.

But none of those things have happened.

WEISER: We're yet to receive any type of charging document, right? …The government hasn’t provided any type of reason why he’s being held.

So far, Weiser hasn’t even been able to meet with Almanza. She went to Alligator Alcatraz and was turned away after being told she couldn’t meet with her client. She has been able to speak with him on the phone, but only on a recorded phone line. As such, they haven’t been able to talk case strategy.

Almanza’s case embodies a larger set of concerns about Alligator Alcatraz and other facilities like it.

Jennie Murray is President and CEO of the National Immigration Forum. She says the government is not uniformly following due process.

MURRAY: We know it's not across the board, being observed. We do know that, because we are we do have people saying, My client was removed. I was on their case, and I would have been notified if they were, if it had been adjudicated.

But Murray says it’s hard to tell how often that’s happening because information about Alligator Alcatraz has been scant.

MURRAY: We know anecdotally that it's happening, but being able to exhaustively answer, you know, how many people are not getting access to due process and all of those things, it's very hard for our community right now because we don't have the same access as we would have in previous administrations.

In a recent press briefing, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis explained that hundreds of illegal immigrants have been on flights out of his state, and out of the country.

I asked the Department of Homeland Security whether all those people had orders of removal issued by an immigration judge. In response, Deputy Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said, “Fire up the deportation planes!”

According to the law, many illegal immigrants are automatically deportable: if a judge or other immigration authority issues deportation orders, or if they illegally crossed into the United States in the past two years. Hans von Spakovsky is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

VON SPAKOVSKY: If you're an alien who illegally entered the United States and have no right to be in the United States, you shouldn't be surprised if you are then removed from the United States.

Not all illegal immigrants are automatically deportable, though. People who overstay their visas and legal immigrants who commit crimes are typically entitled to a hearing before an immigration judge before they are deported. That includes immigrants like Gonzalo Almanza.

Murray with the National Immigration Forum does acknowledge that the government has broad authority to deport illegal immigrants, especially in light of recent executive orders. But she says deportations also need to be done in a manner that follows the rules.

MURRAY:To live in a country that is, you know, that is lawful and and that we know every individual is protected sort of under the under the rule of law, we are nervous to see any erosion of due process as the administration really seeks to expand expedited removal.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Josh Schumacher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: You know that look every little kid understands? The mom look? Turns out this is not confined to humans.

AUDIO: We have a 13 pound pygmy hippo calf.

The name’s Mars. At Tanganyika Wildlife Park in Kansas earlier this summer  the keepers did what they could to try leading the pool-happy pygmy calf to naptime. But to little avail.

AUDIO: We’re out here on a mission to get the hippo inside

Nope, this is a job for mom. She steps to the edge … gives “The Look” … and pool time’s over. Junior hops out and falls in line as though momma had just used first, middle, and last name.

Turns out the mom stare works in all species.

It’s The World and Everything in It.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: Today is Tuesday, August 12th. Thank you for turning to WORLD Radio to help start your day.

Good morning. I’m Mary Reichard.

NICK EICHER, HOST: And I’m Nick Eicher.

Coming next on The World and Everything in It: Who will care for tomorrow’s patients?

Nearly half of America’s doctors are 55 or older—a third of those are set to reach retirement age within five years.

REICHARD: One speciality is feeling the pinch especially hard: obstetrics and gynecology. WORLD Senior Writer Kim Henderson reports.

AUDIO: [LEAF BLOWER]

KIM HENDERSON: It’s Monday morning. A mowing crew is out early blowing off a parking lot. It’s for patients at the only OB/GYN practice in Brookhaven, Mississippi.

DOCTOR: Good morning. (Good morning.) How are you? (I'm doing okay.)

That’s Stephen Mills. It’s a big week for the doctor. At age 67, he’s retiring after 38 years at this practice. He’s delivered more than 4,000 babies.

But Mills says it’s the right time for him to step away. Especially after battling a malignant tumor in his leg.

MILLS: I'm doing fine. All my scans are clear, but the Lord numbers our days, and I could be doing great now and then a year from now be sick.

Mills wants to spend more time with his wife and their 15 grandchildren.

NURSE: She's here for her follow up. (DOCTOR: Okay, yeah . . . )

I asked Mills why he, as a young resident, chose obstetrics and gynecology. His top reason? Relationships.

MILLS: You're part of the family, because you deliver someone's baby. Everybody remembers who delivered what baby and you have that relationship for—many times—30, 35 years.

Mills also liked being a surgeon.

MILLS: I like surgery that you can fix things. Most gynecology surgery you do, and it fixes the problem . . .

Mills’ work gave him an opportunity to live out his faith, too.

MILLS: Obstetrics was wonderful 90 percent of the time, but that other 10 percent was incredibly heartbreaking, and delivering difficult news and being with families during tough times also was an opportunity for ministry.

AUDIO: [SOUND OF OFFICE]

Mills’ practice is busy, and putting a firm retirement date on the calendar has been harder than he thought. His group can’t seem to recruit new doctors.

MILLS: The first question we get asked is, you know, “Do I have to work on the weekend, or do I have to work at night?” In our generation, we just assumed that came with the territory, but I think that the new generation of docs, most of them are really looking at, you know, what kind of lifestyle am I going to have . . .

Mills admits being on call is hard on a family. His two youngest daughters once told their mother they thought their daddy lived at the hospital. But being in small town practice has its perks.

MILLS: I could slip out of the office, or I could slip out of the hospital, and go to a soccer game or go to a kindergarten program and then go right back to the hospital.

Mills and his partners are also good at slipping between their office and the labor and delivery suite at the hospital.

MILLS: And then I go through this door, and we go across the street. When we built this clinic in 1988, the proximity to the hospital was important to us. We didn't realize how important it was. . .

HENDERSON: How far away?

MILLS: In college, I could throw the ball about 50 yards, 60 yards. So I would think it's about 60 yards.

Mills made the walk countless times.

MILLS: Sometimes running, sometimes in street clothes, sometimes in scrubs.

The OBs also had a sort of secret entrance to the hospital.

MILLS: Patients would think we would just appear out of nowhere, but we actually had a back stairwell . . .

The practice has grown through the years. It has about 24 employees.

MILLS: This is our waiting room. It's been expanded since we first got here…

There are four doctors, but three are retirement age and have dropped their OB role. That leaves only one doctor to deliver babies. They’ve had to contract OBs from other places.

MILLS: We do our due diligence, and we check them out and make sure they have good credentials, that they're good doctors, but nevertheless, when our patients show up over there, they have, you know, Dr. Smith, they've never seen before.

And it’s not just their practice. There’s a national shortage of OB/GYNs. Mills predicts big change.

MILLS: We're going to have nighttime doctors and daytime doctors, and we're going to have docs that are what we call locum tenens, or contract doctors, that take the nights and weekends . . .

Mills expects the quality of medicine to be fine. But he is concerned.

MILLS: It's going to be different. And I guess the public at large will acclimate to that, but it makes me a little sad, because I don't know that the relationship between OB/GYN and patient is going to be quite as close as it has been in the last 30 years.

And it’s that element—the people element—that has him feeling sentimental about retiring. But Mills looks forward to spending more time with his family. And maybe some medical mission trips are in his future.

MILLS: We've been to Kenya a couple of times. We've been to Honduras a couple of times. We're just praying about and asking God for some direction as far as all that and and we're, we're excited about the next chapter. It is bittersweet. I'm going to miss relationships. I'll miss that patient/doctor relationship, but, but it's the right time for me. I don't have any doubts.

Reporting for WORLD, I’m Kim Henderson in Brookhaven, Mississippi.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Today is Tuesday, August 12th. Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard. WORLD Opinions contributor Daniel Suhr on new federal guidelines meant to protect religious freedoms at work.

DANIEL SUHR: Imagine a Veterans Affairs doctor praying with a patient, or a government worker posting a flyer about a church event on an informal, employee-to-employee informational bulletin board.

Many try to argue that these actions are unconstitutional. They are not…not even close. But, new guidance from the lead human resources agency of the federal government is explicitly seeking to protect the rights of government workers to engage in similar activities…though with the caveat that they must be done in such a way as to respect the wishes of the other party to the conversation.

The new memorandum from the Office of Personnel Management—or OPM—provides a robust view of federal employees’ religious liberties in the workplace, and it could have sweeping influence. The United States government is the largest employer in the United States with almost 2.4 million employees. Like any employer, the government has a basic role to regulate its workspaces and buildings, whether office cubicles or military bases. The OPM memorandum is another building block in the Trump Administration’s continued effort to protect religious freedom.

The First Amendment protects free speech and the free exercise of religion for all Americans. But the U.S. Supreme Court has always recognized that these clauses operate differently for government employees than for everyday citizens. For instance, the government as an employer can search an employee’s workplace desk or locker for contraband drugs—even if it would need a judicial warrant to search the same person’s home.

Two years ago the Supreme Court affirmed the right of public high school football coach Joe Kennedy to pray publicly after a game. The case put front and center the previously ambiguous balancing between the employee’s conscience rights and the employer’s interests in an efficient workplace.

The Biden Administration pressed its own agenda through the federal workforce, using the Transgender Day of Visibility in 2023 to announce guidelines for its transgender employees. In fact, the Biden Administration’s commitment to DEI ran rampant throughout the various agencies and departments of the government. It reached its apex in a 2021 executive order entitled “Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility in the Federal Workforce.” That was followed by an all-agency implementation strategy led by OPM. Thankfully, that order has since been repealed by President Trump.

Predictably, secularist advocates are already screaming about the Trump OPM’s new guidance on religious practices in the workplace…claiming they are fundamentalist, outrageous, and of course…Christian nationalism overreach.

But most Americans will view these clarifications as common sense. And the OPM action may even be required by law in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent decision in Groff v. DeJoy. That case reaffirmed that the federal civil rights law in Title VII provides meaningful protections for religious employees in public and private workplaces nationwide.

We can hope that state and local governments and private employers will follow the OPM’s new guidance for their own settings. In 2017, then Attorney General Jeff Sessions noted in a legal memorandum that federal standards (pause) “provide useful guidance to private employers about ways in which religious observance and practice can reasonably be accommodated in the workplace.”

General Sessions wrote that memorandum reflecting on guidelines issued by the Clinton Administration in 1997 in the wake of the bipartisan adoption of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Those guidelines also provided strong religious liberty protection in the federal workplace. The new Trump guidelines expand, reinforce, and clarify the Clinton standards. But the fact that the Clinton Administration could issue good guidance on such a subject recalls a by-gone era…one when broad religious liberty protections had substantial bipartisan support. The battle over same-sex marriage has largely destroyed that bipartisan consensus. We must hope it may yet come back.

I’m Daniel Suhr.

NICK EICHER, HOST: Tomorrow: Political scientist Hunter Baker is back for Washington Wednesday. And, an update on Billboard Chris as Australia continues to try to curb online debate. That and more tomorrow.

I’m Nick Eicher.

MARY REICHARD, HOST:And I’m Mary Reichard.

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