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It’s time for Donald Trump to step aside and make room for another candidate


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Eighteen years ago, a WORLD cover pictured President Bill Clinton next to the headline, “Time to Resign.” Clinton had denied having a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky, but her stained blue dress bearing Clinton’s DNA was proof that he had used his power for adulterous purposes, and then lied about it.

This month a videotape showed Donald Trump making lewd remarks about groping women’s genitals. While many opponents over the past year have criticized Trump’s character, the video gave us new information about how Trump views power as a means to gratify himself. It raised further questions about how Trump would act if elected to the most powerful office in the world.

Although WORLD over its 30 years has been more critical of Democrats than Republicans, particularly because of the abortion issue, we are not partisan. The standards we applied to Bill Clinton in 1998 are relevant to Donald Trump in 2016. A Clinton resignation would have been good for America’s moral standards in 1998. A Trump step-aside would be good for America’s moral standards in 2016. It’s still not too late to turn the current race between two unfit major party candidates into a contest fit for a great country.

WE KNOW OUR SUGGESTION that Trump step aside will dismay many of his evangelical supporters, for whom we have high regard. We know they are not the “deplorables” Hillary Clinton despises. They are courageous Americans who realize the desperate situation we’re in because of judges and executive branch appointees who legislate, and a Congress that lets them get away with it.

For many, Hillary Clinton’s platform is reason enough to support Trump. They and we see big media dumping on him and minimizing her offenses. Some conservative anti-Trumpism looks suspiciously like intellectual snobbery. Nor is Trump unique: John F. Kennedy was also a frequent adulterer. (Kennedy—sadly—made sin look like sophistication.)

The prime reason evangelicals tend to support Trump is pragmatic. A White House Clinton-to-Gore transition 18 years ago would have made little difference in worldview—but if Hillary Clinton wins next month, her judicial appointments will turn federal courts much more aggressively to the left.

Our regular surveys of evangelical leaders during the primary season showed almost no support for Donald Trump. Only when Clinton became the alternative did Trump gain majority evangelical support in public opinion polls. Joel Belz early on had called Trump “an arrogant blowhard” (Sept. 19, 2015), and we did not hop on the pro-Trump bandwagon, but continued to report the good and the bad.

Besides, WORLD is a product of God’s World Publications, which as a nonprofit organization cannot endorse candidates. That’s not our job, anyway. Journalistically, our goal is to inform our readers, whom we trust to make wise decisions. Theologically, a deacon told me when I professed faith in Christ 40 years ago, “People often will disappoint you, but Jesus never will.” That’s been true over the decades, and our editorial staff members have learned to put no trust in princes even when they show good character, let alone when they do not.

As individuals, though, our editorial staff members have taken positions. We’ve tended to be #NeverHillary. A few of us were #NeverTrump. Several of us wanted to give Trump every opportunity to represent well an uprising much needed in American politics.We know that few Democrats and only some Republicans abide by the Constitution. They make up rules as they go along, put into practice cranky ideas marinated at leading universities, and demonize opponents.

We’ve seen how the problems go beyond politics. Many corporations profit not by producing better products but by influencing regulators. Equality of law and opportunity disappears as protected groups have their way. Two-thirds of Americans have come to believe that our leaders are corrupt. Democrats may have chosen Bernie Sanders if their party leaders had played fair. A plurality of Republicans voted for Trump’s combination of anti-establishment noise with claims that bringing back good old days would be easy.

After the July Republican and Democratic conventions, I noted that “Trump is generally reckless and Clinton generally ruthless. … Trump is a proud adulterer. Clinton is a proud pro-abortionist. Since character counts, both will almost certainly be presidential failures. … Let’s not rush the process. We have three more months (and three presidential debates) in which to see how these two candidates operate under extreme pressure. We should consider third party candidates as well. This is not a year for early voting.”

We’ve been reluctant to applaud those who call for a definitive no on Trump because, as our republic has turned imperial, it needs the vigorous shaking that Trump supporters would provide, even as their candidate has faltered. Scholar Angelo Codevilla put it graphically concerning both Trump and Sanders voters: “Because this majority sees no one in the political mainstream who shares their concerns, because it lacks confidence that the system can be fixed, it is eager to empower whoever might flush the system and its denizens with something like an ungentle enema.”

WHAT’S CHANGED NOW? Ken Rizer, a military man serving in the Iowa House of Representatives, summarized the videotape’s impact: “Given this recent release, I have decided I can't in good conscience vote for [Trump]. As a base commander, I aggressively prosecuted Airmen who sexually assaulted women. As the father of two college-aged women, I know too well the challenges they're facing daily in regards to groping, lewd conduct, etc. Trump’s comments reveal an arrogant lack of character.”

Didn’t Trump’s earlier comments also reveal that? Sure. We value WORLD readers who concluded earlier that the honor of Christ made it necessary for Christians not to vote for Trump. We also value those who still plan to vote for Trump so as to vote for the Supreme Court. (We’re not sure we should trust Trump to come through on nominations: If a person is unfaithful to his spouse, he’s also likely to be unfaithful to his country.)

The new video pushed theologian Wayne Grudem to withdraw his endorsement of Trump and urge him to drop out of the presidential race. The videotape, in the words of Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, “revealed a sexual predator, not merely a playboy.”

In suggesting that Trump drop out and let someone else carry the campaign for the remaining weeks, we at WORLD are not endorsing any other Republican and certainly not Hillary Clinton. We also realize Trump is unlikely to heed our call. We’re aware of the practical difficulties in making a change at this point.

Yet, even with ballots printed and early voting already underway in many states, the Electoral College chooses the president. Despite some confusion, a Republican other than Trump still could triumph, given Clinton's unpopularity. We have repeatedly provided information about her malfeasance: See, for example, our June 11 and Sept. 17 cover stories.

Improbable that a new Republican candidate could win this election: yes. Impossible, no. In any event, to quote Mohler, we should not “allow a national disgrace to become the Great Evangelical Embarrassment.” We should not abandon our witness to the world that God is real: Glorifying God by honoring His standards is worth more than political gain.

WE KNOW THAT MANY CHRISTIANS, including some of our readers, will say that given the judicial stakes it’s wrong this year to draw a line in the sand. Our call for a different Republican candidate will lose us some readers and donors. But, standing before God, we cannot say that what WORLD argued concerning a Democrat in 1998 should not apply to a Republican in 2016.

As the Clinton precedent shows, we set the stage for even worse behavior when we ignore blatant offenses. Our journalistic task is to call powerful people to account, regardless of their party, regardless of the politics of the moment.

We don’t know if God will rescue our nation from the pit into which our politics have fallen. We don’t know if He will rescue WORLD from the ire some Trump supporters will feel. We hope and pray that He will—but if He doesn’t, He is still God, holding the future of individuals and nations in His hands. May His name be praised forever and ever.


Marvin Olasky

Marvin is editor in chief of WORLD and dean of World Journalism Institute. He joined WORLD in 1992 and has also been a university professor and provost. He has written more than 20 books: His latest is Abortion at the Crossroads. Marvin resides with his wife, Susan, in Austin, Texas.

@MarvinOlasky

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Just Me 999

Could not agree more. This article was grossly imbalanced and probably did more to unintentionally support Hillary from within the Christian movement than almost anything else in the election. Even a simple update to balance this article would have been welcome.

infohighwy

Wow, a great list. When you lay things out that clearly, and I don't think you made any critical errors, it becomes pretty obvious who would be a President HOSTILE to Christians, and who would be a President who may at least be NEUTRAL to Christians. We are supposed to be willing to suffer persecution for Christ's sake, indeed, but it does not say that Christians need to be suicidal! There is no honor in being a masochist or in voting for one who we know will lead to widespread persecution of Christians. With Hillary there is no doubt what we will get. With Donald, there is a glimmer of optimism that at least Christians won't have a target on their collective backs. And of course not voting in this election is to vote for Hillary, no doubt about that! Being neutral in 2016 is impossible if you have the right to vote. Sorry, that's how it is this year.

Gregory P

Actually, there is plenty of warrant to call for both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to step aside, but the demand for them to step aside  should have come months ago.  The evidences keep piling up. 

Steve SoCal

This article has now been on the website front page for 16 days.  That is a shame, "World".  You have failed to prominently post and print a similar article whose sole purpose is to declare the unfitness of Hillary Clinton, and the ones that are critical of her only stay up for a few days at the most.  I hope you are right in taking this stance, because it appears you have just dug in your heels.  If the Lord has led you to take this stance, that's good, but if it's your own decision you may be doing some serious harm.  On the other hand, I'm not sure how many people's votes will be swayed by "World" magazine... and I'd say some voters have only been strengthened in their resolve to vote for Trump as a result of your stance.  One way or another, I'd say you have failed the test of objective, fair and balanced reporting in the last weeks of this election. 

HOWEVER, just like you think there was time for Trump to step down, there is still a little time for you to actually balance out your stance.  But what are the chances of that?

HenryC

I accidentally reported Fatsmontana, I did not mean too. 

Soapbxn

Is anyone running really fit for power?  So far there is no proof of Trump's alleged crimes, he is not a Christian so how can we expect or demand he behave like one, and all of us fall short of God's glory so how Christlike are even we on a day by day basis?   I see two choices  here -  one, Hillary, who we can pretty well guarantee will continue the destruction of our nation, or two - Trump, who has put forth some very effective conservative ideas which might be sincere, hence there might be a chance he could do well by our country.  Albeit there could also be a chance it is all for show and he is indeed a proverbial wolf in sheep's clothong.  Seems to me the odds are better with Trump.   Both the primary candidates are unsavory and are a true reflection of where we sadly are as a nation but these are our only choices.  Hillary is a certain death knell in her ambitions for one world order and complete proven Marxist leaning ineptness.  Trump is a proven capitalist  who can run a corporation well and is close to his family, albeit a foul mouthed "bull in a china closet".   We each must choose and there are no saints on the ticket.

standforTRUTH

RJSmith, I agree with you completely.  Thank you for your excellent post. My heart sank when I first saw WORLD's digital post before the the print magazine came out.  I couldn't believe it.  I have given subscriptions to all of the young adults in my family because I trusted the content to be true with a Biblical world view.  I am now concerned about the influence this article will have on well meaning people.  And although this article was posted on the web on Oct. 11th; the print version is dated Oct.29th.  At this late hour to say it is not too late to change the Republican candidate defies any kind of common sense and to lead with a cover like this is very destructive and as you have already stated plays right into the hands of the enemy.  This article serves to divide, not to instruct.  May the good Lord grant us undeserved mercy...

standforTRUTH

Well stated, Anonymous and exactly right on.  People need to look at the big picture and the reality that although we are not of this world; for now we have to live in it. Much prayer is required and a good dose of common sense.

Doug Adee

Why now? Why not last January? Why not when Joel wrote his scathing editorial? We all knew then that Donald Trump was unfit. He had already shown his regard for women was abominable. He had already ripped Carly's looks and was deep into a vulgar one-sided fued with Megyn Kelly. We already knew he was a fraud and a con man. We already knew he would be a pathetic leader, giving an abominable example of manhood. So tell us Marvin, why didn't World take this step when it actually could have resulted in a positive difference for our nation? It would have been courageous. Doing it now smacks of cowardice. Now it torpedos our country's chance to prevent the most corupt person ever to run for president to ever take po

wer. Doing it now hammers another nail into the coffin of millions of the unborn. Is Donald's decdades old daliances any more wrong than the desire for Hillary to make it much easier for women to abort the lives they hold in their wombs? If WORLD truly intended to make a stand for righteousness you would have called declared both candidates morally unfit to lead our country and called for both to step down.   

Kro6813

Excellent statement!!

BruceNFairfaxVA

Editors, Please acquire the integrity to post a footnote or in-article notation of Wayne Grudem's reversal of the citation you use to make your point. You posted Oct 11, Wayne Grudem has since changed his perspective AGAIN, (first for Trump Policies on July 28, then not voting on Oct 9, then for Trump Policies on Oct 19). Link to all three here:  http://townhall.com/columnists/waynegrudem/

Bruce in Fairfax VA

Yje2165

It´s disturbing that this article is still on the front page of the web site, still influencing people not to vote Trump, and thus contributing to paving the way for Hillary Clinton to win the presidency.

Hillary and the Democrat party of today represent the most malignant force in American politics since our founding.  It´s not even close.  On the other side, Trump is showing himself to be a fighter....fighting harder than ever against an avalanche of lies, press, etc. arrayed against him.  I am gaining more respect for him every day as I watch him not buckle to the crud coming down on him from all directions.  Trump also seems to be growing as a person, toward Christian values, toward constitutional liberty.

This WORLD (in effect) endorsement of Hillary Clinton continues to be vexing.  I have loved WORLD as a force for good, a rare force for good over the years,....but it is hard to sustain that feeling given this.

P.S. lot of great comments here and under other articles.  I think WORLD has the best reader base of any periodical out there.  Reading the comments on this web site is more edifying in itself than reading virtually any other periodical.  Hat off to WORLD´s readers!

TerriJ

Fortunately Mr. Olasky lives in United States of America where he can self-righteously opt out of his voting privilege and leave it to the rest of us Christians to vote for a man who has said he will appoint a pro-life Supreme Court judge.

Perhaps Mr. Olasky should read up a bit on great men like William Wilberforce who was willing to work with the slave loving British Parliament to abolish slavery.

Or maybe Ben Carson who is a man of stellar character and yet willing to promote Donald Trump for the right reasons.

Or Winston Churchill who realized he must work with Josef Stalin against Adolf Hitler.

Mr. Olasky soothes himself by saying that it is God who rules over all- even our election. Well, yes, but last I checked He uses real men and women to accomplish His will. Mr. Olasky, you are not more righteous for copping out.

SamIamHis

Without reading all the comments, here is my two cents.  I knew of a king who murdered a man to steal and marry his wife, after impregnating her during an adulterous affair, all starting with a voyeuristic view of a married woman taking a bath and taking her into his chambers because he was a man of power, a star if you will.  Actually it started long before that because there was iniquity in King David's heart.  His recorded history bears that out and we understand this because there is iniquity in the heart of each one of us. Still, he was called a man after God's own heart because God could see what we could not. 

I am not sure that this man, Donald Trump, a man with a history of iniquity, is not a man that God may have called for this time.  God knows his heart and, in the midst of the accusations being hurled and the audio tape being played and discussed Ad nauseum, there is a man who has raised decent, hard-working children (who by the way know how to honor their father which is more more than I can say of King David), who has a history of being generous without drawing attention to his benevolence, who never has been a politician, and who has a business head that creates a no nonsense atmosphere of getting things accomplished unlike what we see in Washington.

I'm just sayin'...."Let him who has no sin cast the first stone."

EHA4670

Wow! I had not expected such stupidity from the likes of Marvin, Joel, and the rest of you. Although, I would have preferred some one else and voted that way in the primary, it is simply metaphorical playing with matches by the wood pile during dry season to give in to the Democrats election time smear campaign. It doesn't matter who is nominated by the republicans. They are are accused of hating women. They demonized Mitt Romney for goodness sake! Pretty much every one else had a surprise mistress or Anita Hill clone show up near the election. Trump is the nominee because unlike the usual republican weenies, he fights back against a system stacked against the republicans. When Trump says the election is rigged, he means that the debate is 2 on one (Hilary and the Moderator against him), that the press is in the tank for Hillary as Wikileaks has confirmed for us and that Democrats cheat at the ballot box as O'Keefe has confirmed for us. Lastly, the notion that Trump is destroying the republic by saying he might not accept the result is a circular shooting squad. One might say he learned that tactic from Al Gore (2000) and John Kerry (2004). 

It is amazing to me that an 11-year old gets it and you don't: "I really think that listening to a few bad words coming out of Donald Trump is a better to a lot of people than people getting blown up by terrorists, people getting burned alive, people's heads being chopped off, and people getting drowned.” — 11-year-old Trump supporter: Matthew Schricker

Bottom line: You will all be part owners of the irreversible damage that a Hilary Clinton presidency will do to the country and as a result have lost the ability to comment with moral authority.

Joel

This article fails in respect to World's mission and methods.

World's mission is to report the news from a perspective committed to the Bible. This article makes a leap without Biblical warrant from calling Trump unfit as a leader to the alleged immorality of supporting him in the election. It has been clear to most of us since before the conventions that our next President would be unfit as a leader, but it is legalism, not Scripture, that claims it is wrong to vote for the less destructive of the two.

And World's method is to give balanced coverage to issues that are disputable among people sharing allegiance to the Bible. Based on the previous comments, this might be class 5 rapids. The article anticipates strong disagreement, but the editors are so confident in their perspective that they ignore the opposing views of those they claim to respect.

This article would hold me guilty if I vote for GOP electors who, it points out, could elect a better man than Trump as President, and Pence as VP. But it makes just as much sense to hold guilty for what Hillary Clinton will do anyone who fails to vote for the viable alternative. Polls are predicting Hillary will win, so I think the latter is the more relevant claim. What responsibility will World's editors bear for helping the liberal media to elect her?

To readers that cannot in good conscience vote for Trump, I suggest that your conscience has been bound, deceived by a false morality or the disgust you feel for the candidate. Please read Wayne Grudem's reasons that after he called on Trump to step down he still intends to vote for him. Have you seen the cartoons like one that shows a pollster asking, "If the election were held today, which candidate would you vote against?" Especially this year it is common understanding that voting does not show approval. It is not approving of evil to prefer it to a greater evil.

 

LKN8135

I support Trump.  I am conservative Christian who recognizes the repentance Trump has displayed for past indiscretions, and the changes in his character which embrace life and godliness.   He has surrounded himself with godly advisers, and has really made an effort to stand up for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.    He is not perfect.   He is a young Christian -- but  compared to Hillary, he is a shining city on a hill.   Hillary remains reprobate, and a great deal of effort must be made to keep her from the presidency.  Trump is heading in the right direction -- hillary is going the other way.   Be wise as serpents -- but do not be deceived into thinking that by not voting or voting for Darrell Castle is the best thing for your Christian witness.   I think that the Constitution Party is excellent in what it aspires to -- but we are in a big war here.  Stopping Hillary is paramount.   Life and liberty depend on it -- especially for your kids and grandkids.  Do the right thing.   Stop Hillary.   

NPR5192

For many years, I have been actively on the front lines with the pro-life ministry here in our city. I was shocked to see WORLD magazine’s cover article slamming the Trump-Pence ticket!

I know first hand how the pro-abortion movement increased when Mr. Obama was voted into office eight years ago. The pro-abortion advocates multiplied the number of “escorts” sent to usher women into the clinic for their abortions. The “escorts” behavior became even more self-righteous and belligerent.

It was heartbreaking to our ministry and devoted workers and volunteers. We offer hope, love, and material and spiritual support in the name of Jesus Christ. The opposition’s work only leads to death for the babies and emotional damage to the women who choose to kill their own children.

Why would WORLD magazine, with its pro-life emphasis, seek to undermine the one campaign standing in defense of these women and children? The president of Planned Parenthood said of Hillary Clinton: “Never before has our movement had such a clear champion running for president.”

Donald Trump is far from perfect, but he doesn’t have blood on his hands.

With the balance of the Supreme Court at risk for the next generation, your focus on personalities rather than agendas is shortsighted and misguided.

Your cover article calling for the pro-life candidate to “step aside” while not making a similar call for the pro-abortion candidate is stunning. It may well contribute to suppressing the pro-life turnout on election day. Every life counts, and so does every pro-life vote!

Please cancel our subscription and remove us from your mailing lists.

Joe Walker

Amen!  Thank you!

GAL7646

I am waiting for the same call to Hillary Clinton with the front cover of World with her picture on it.  Pardon me if I don't hold my breath while I wait.    

RJSmith

Recently, Wayne Grudem has indicated in a detailed article in Townhall on the 19th and again last night on Washington Watch (and perhaps elsewhere), that, after further thought and consideration, he has come around in his thinking about the election and realizes “We have no choice as Christians but to vote for Trump”. His reasoning includes the preponderance of policy stances in Trump’s favor and he acknowledges the mathematical fact that anything but a Trump vote, is a vote for Clinton.

Perhaps I missed it, but where is your headliner WebPage story on that?

Dadjustice

Truly appreciate World's integrity and Kingdom focus.

Nhe8916

I respect World Magazine and Marvin Olasky tremendously, but I strongly disagree with his call for Trump to step aside (particularly absent a call for Hillary to do the same).  I understand that Olasky's desire is to be consistent with his call for Bill Clinton to step aside following disclosure of his affair with Monica Lewinsky, but that differs significantly from this in that Bill Clinton was already serving as President.  His crime legally was not the affair with an intern (reprehensible though it was).  It was lying under oath.  Given that, how could we trust his oath to uphold the Constitution and protect the country from all enemies foreign and domestic?  How could expect him to execute laws duly passed by Congress and signed by the President?

The tape of crude Trump comments was brought to light by NBC News.  Did you know that NBC has had this tape for over a year?  Why didn't they show it during the primary when it might have cause Republicans to make a different choice?  Did anyone who knows Donald Trump not suspect that given his background something unsavory like this tape was out there?

This tape was released as a classic "October surprise," and some Christians are falling right in line with the intent of this action by unendorsing Trump.  So now we have laid out a pattern for the left to follow in all future elections:  Sometime during the final weeks of the campaign, release something unsavory about the other candidate.  Christians, not wanting to seem hypocritical, will dutifully fall in line and abandon that candidate.  Doesn't it bother any of you that you are allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the media and/or the Hillary campaign?

This is what I have found with regard to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, neither of whom I consider an ideal candidate:  Donald Trump is sinful, but Hillary is evil.

MAL9500

Agree with DWayne & the others who are disappointed (to put it mildly) over this. Also SonoitaMike's comment seemed "too much" at first, but after thinking on it, tend to agree, especially the victim v participants part. 

Christians are being played by the radical left. They wanted to divide the evangelical vote...it was too easy.

Tom B

It's time for my first comment on World Magazine after several years.

This is the worst article your great company has ever published.  So disappointed.  There are two competing platforms.  I choose the one that most closely matches my Christian values.  That means I must vote for Trump.  We are not electing a pastor-in-chief.  Your article accomplishes nothing more than to help Hillary advance her liberal policies.  When she wins and continues to move this country down the wrong path, I will know World magazine was a part of that.

Woodman

Very disappointing and devoid of any Biblical basis, somewhat double minded too. You hearald the Americans who are voting to stop judicial tyranny as 'courageous' then subordinate it to a morality meter. Why are you suggesting we make decisions on leadership based on the lusts of an unregenerate man as though he was a regenerate man? Isn't morality a lethal scorecard revealing F's for all of us? Did God give up on Moses after he killed a man? God in His omniscience knew David's lusts weren't the end of the story.

The quote from Rep Rizer leads one to believe DJT is under indictment for sexual assault. That's what the media wants you to believe and isn't there an oped at the end of this edition about media corruption?  https://nworeport.me/2016/10/16/here-it-is-list-of-debunked-groper-allegations-by-corrupt-media-against-donald-trump/  Unwholesome talk isn't illegal and is a far cry from the misconduct of Bill Clinton. It's stunning that you've lumped them together  

The impression is also given that evangelical leaders are in lockstep against DJT. There are plenty including Jeffress, Hagee, Graham, Hibbs and Falwell and Christian thinkers like Eric Metaxas who are Trump supporters. You didn't include any of them. The Wayne Grudem article you cite clearly showed a conflicted man which he reconciled 2 days ago in this piece. http://townhall.com/columnists/waynegrudem/2016/10/19/if-you-dont-like-either-candidate-then-vote-for-trumps-policies-n2234187

You also claim you can't endorse a candidate but are instead in the busines to inform. In doing so I'd have hoped and expected a more balanced look at the choices and the Scriptural impact of one over the other. As citizens we have a responsibility to participate in the political process ie we're called to vote. After reading this I'm left thinking the World position is to claim a moral high ground by not voting. Reminds me of Bonhauffer: Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.  

Woodman

I quote from a learned Christian friend who laid out ths decison tree as we consider the candidates before us. I'd encourage the editors at World to re-examine their position.

With a little more than two weeks remaining before Election Day, I’m
constructing my own checklist that includes their respective stances on
these issues


 pro-life vs. abortion-on-demand and unlimited late-term intervention
 professed “religious freedom” in daily life and work vs. so-called
“freedom of worship” restricted to a specified day and at a specified
location (mosque, synagogue, or church)
 rights of believers in biblical marriage vs. legal and social pressure to
conform to the same-sex and marriage equality rulings of the Supreme
Court of the United States
 the rule of law vs. corrupting both the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Departments of State and Justice
by suppressing evidence of wrongdoing and its cover-up
 parental rights to school choice vs. the stifling opposition and control of the major teachers’ unions
 respect for the military and veterans vs. open disdain for American patriotism and national defense funding
 restricted immigration and citizenship requirements vs. “open borders” and unvetted immigrants
 realistic assessment of Islamist terrorism vs. a refusal to identify the
religious zealots as Islamic fanatics related to support of the so-called
Islamic State
 Supreme Court appointments of conservative jurists vs. liberal jurists
committed to rescinding the Constitution by their lifetime tenure.

Eva1545

Dear World Editors,

I'm deeply disapppointed about the position you take with regard to Donald Trump. Indeed there is no excuse for the way he speaks and acts. You wrote that Wayne Grudem withdrew his support in an initial response to the disgusting comments Trum made 11 years ago. But upon some further reflection he wrote a new article in Townhall which I assume you may have seen already. I especially like how he answers all my objections, actually even more than I had. Please prayerfully take the time to read. To whet your appetite...

(6) “It is wrong for Christians to place their trust in a morally compromised man.”

Answer: Our ultimate trust of course should be in God alone. But the question in this election is not whether we trust Trump or God. The question is whether we trust Trump or Clinton.

When the apostle Paul was on trial before the Roman governor Festus, he saw that things were going badly, so he said, “I appeal to Caesar” (Acts 25:11). But “Caesar” was the emperor Nero, an immoral and corrupt person. This doesn’t mean that Paul was trusting in Nero instead of in God, but it means he wisely decided that he would have a better chance for a fair trial under Nero than under Festus. (FVZ: For a starker contrast I would have written: "A better chance for a fair trial under Nero than under the Sanhedrin.")

Similarly, I think we have a much better chance for good government under Trump than under Clinton.

http://townhall.com/columnists/waynegrudem/2016/10/19/if-you-dont-like-either-candidate-then-vote-for-trumps-policies-n2234187   

I will continue to subscribe to World, but I do hope you will reconsider. At least let your readers about Wayne Grudem and his well-written reasons why we should still vote for Trump, not for the person but for the platform. Placing no trust in man but in the Lord our God alone. SDG!

Respectfully,

Foppe VanderZwaag

Janis V

It's been twelve years since Donald Trump said what he said and that's enough for Marvin Olasky to suggest Trump  step aside. It's been thirty years since Marvin Olasky was a Marxist. Why not step aside from World Magazine because of your past? 

Sincerely, Janis Vitolins

philoxfordal

I appreciate the article, thank you, Marvin. I realize there are many good people on both sides of the debate. I don't know if I have ever seen more prayer and soul-searching than I have seen during this election cycle. This is a good thing!

I just want to mention a few points.

No doubt, both candidtates are deeply flawed! 

If Trump has made a change of direction, as some have said, than it is unfair to hold something from years ago against him. Just as we should know the importance of godly character, so we also know what it means to be forgiven. 

Both have lied, both have denigrated women, both have been unwise with money and both have associations with gross immorality.

The question is, how do they view it today? What direction are they moving in today? What kind of people have their ear? Who sits on their advisory counsels?

If what I hear about Trump is true, that he has an advisory counsel of wise and godly men...and he listens to them, that is a good thing. Only time will tell whether his heart is genuine or if he would stay the road if elected. The books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles paint a grim picture of those in power. Only God knows the answer to that. But one who sits and listens to wise men, is at least something to consider. 

Years of indulgent living cannot be overturned in a few short months. But God is able to give wisdom and understanding to those who ask for it and He does have a history of using the foolish to comfound the wise, and the weak to put His power on display.

Again, I don't know these things for sure...but I have heard that Trump does have a group of wise and godly men giving him counsel. What about Hillary? Who are her counselors??

Secondly, there is a vast difference in the visions each candidate has for America. This must also be taken into consideration.This includes who they will pick for the Supreme Court which will affect us for the next generation! As well as the other men and women who will be placed in office as they build their team and mobilize their agendas.

Thirdly, one is a politician and the other is not. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. The level of systemic corruption that has been revealed in the current administration greatly undermines the values upon which this country was built. A part from the intervention of God, I do believe... if it continues, the Republic as we know it will soon be over.

I am praying for God's intervention! He gives wisdom to those who ask and uses the weak to put His power on display.

LORD, we desperately need wisdom and we are weak. Come, invade us and intervene. We need You!

 

Davelena

This reader, for one, agrees and admires you!

EES8995

To say I am thankful for you and your stand for righteousness would be an understatement!  Thank you for being the only ones reporting news that is concerned about TRUTH.  World Magazine continues to inspire me and my family with it's loyalty to God and His ways.  Thanks for being courageous and speaking the much-needed truth about Donald Trump.  

redtoetwins

Way to go, World Magazine! I wonder how many folks saw your Oct 29th cover and article about Trump (Unfit for Power) and made the ill-advised decision to sit this election out, or vote for Hillary Clinton because of it? And yes, I read the article thoroughly. I even agreed with the principles behind your conclusion(s). But throwing that out on the eve of the election was foolish in the extreme, giving aid and comfort to the Democratic Party takeover. Were there no pragmatists in the room when you made the decision to publish this? 

 

ps. I still love World, and have for decades. But sheesh...!

Stevie

RJSmith, well said.  I agree with you totally and am disgusted with World Magazine.

Stevie

Write-in candidates are wasted votes.  Do you realize how many other people would have to write in the exact same candidate for him to win?  You would be throwing your vote away, and that helps put Hillary in office.  Is that what yoi want?

Stevie

I have been a long-time supporter of World Magazine, so I was astonished and extremely disappointed that the editors and Mr. Olansky have made this irresponsible call for Trump to "step aside" in their cover story. May I remind you that Trump apologized for his comments on the tape? What of Christian forgiveness?  Has Hillary Clinton apologized for her MANY lies, scandals and crimes?  NO!  She lies when caught in another lie and won't even acknowledge any wrongdoing. We are charged with focusing on the POLICIES these two candidates promote. Clearly, if one wants conservative supreme court justices appointed, religious liberties protected, sanctity of human life protected, Donald Trump is the ONLY choice. In addition , as a Republican, Mr. Trump will support his party's stance on other important issues such as national defense, terrorism, immigration, law and order, and Israel and Jerusalem. God has given us TWO choices (casting a vote for Gary Johnson or the other underdog is a wasted vote, and not voting is a wasted vote---it actually helps the other party). Disavowing Mr Trump at this late date does far more harm than good---you may be telling yourself that your consicences are salved, but God will hold you and this nation accountable for the outcome of this election. Remember when so many Christians stayed home and refused to vote for Romney because he was Mormon? We surely suffered the consequences of that for the last 8 years and the damage Obama has done will likely never be repaired---if Hillary wins, America will have turned a corner for the worse and we will LOSE THIS COUNTRY. Recently, a church sermon went viral that reminds us of Cyrus the Great, a brutal dictator, who was raised up by God to serve His purpose in returning the Jews  to the land of Israel. Cyrus was a pagan, yet God raised him up to advance His glory. The sermon goes on to point out that had the ancient Persians been given the opportunity to vote, they would have stayed home from the polls or voted against Cyrus the Great. Thank goodness they didn't have the gift of voting yet.  God HAS given Americans a wonderful gift---voting. Your careless pronouncement of Mr. Trump as unfit will either drive undecided Christian voters to vote for Hillary or stay home and not vote at all! Furthermore, as other comments have stated: Hillary's crimes far outweigh the "allegations" against Mr. Trump. They are still allgegations at this point, or are you now throwing out "innocent until PROVEN guilty?" I am so disheartened and let down by your article. I usually let my kids read World for current events, but this issue will go in the trash.  I will let my subscription run out and try to find another Christian news source to support.  Praying that World Magazine will get back on track...
 

Stevie

duplicate, sorry

Stevie

I totally agree---it would restore some of my fiath in World Magazine (maybe).

SMI1797

RJSmith is absolutely correct. Unlike what appears to be standard procedure for most political no backbone conservatives, I do not believe in shooting our wounded. Liberals NEVER shoot their wounded and NEVER break ranks. This election is not about one person. Trump is a conservative and despite failing World mag's purity test, has surrounded himself with EXCELLENT conservatives (World does not recognize this). Absolutely foolish what World has been doing over the past year and a half to Trump. This was the last straw - I have cancelled my three subscriptions. I will stick with Janet Parshall who uses sound Biblical reasoning and logic for my news from a Christian perspective.

RJSmith

Dear Marvin –

Although I was too busy this past week to respond, I did notice how WORLD’s WebPage headliner spent most of last week working against Trump, with an assist from your podcast TWAEII. And judging by the preview of the October 29 cover for WORLD magazine, it appears that more support for this position will be found there.

I am deeply saddened by WORLD’s chosen position and the journalistic action you have taken to undermine Trump’s campaign. I am saddened that you have fallen into the Progressives’ trap and I fear, have taken much of your audience with you.

As Ecclesiastes teaches, “There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:” (Ecl 3:1, NIV84) In my view, the time for such all-out, heartfelt, no-compromise advocacy is during the Primaries. And it is in this arena where character carries nearly equal weight with issues. But now, that time is long over.

(For the sake of brevity, I will not go into the way WORLD handled reporting on the Primary candidates here.)

Now, at this point in the timeline, the nominating process has spoken and there is no opportunity for a re-do. We are left with a simple choice between two candidates.

The choice does not require us to endorse their personal character. In this decision, the character of the Nation is at stake. We need only to decide which candidate likely will have the desired effect upon that National Character; which candidate has the best likelihood of governing in a manner most consistent with Founding Principles, First Principles, Biblical Principles, Christian Principles – God’s Principles.

More than anything, this is most like a promotion board for a very demanding and highly influential position that must be filled on Nov 8th. We simply have to choose one or the other.

But even in light of our place in the timeline, you and WORLD try to re-open the Primaries!

Like an oracle, you say the following, without a shred of evidence to support it

“That practical case for Trump may have been persuasive then, but it is gone now. It holds no water because Trump has proven himself so unfit for office that he almost certainly won’t win. The winds have shifted decisively, and now the only way to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House is for Trump supporters to persuade their man to step aside.”

Out of this reasoning, a campaign to unseat him as nominee is born based upon a scenario that you freely admit has little chance of succeeding.

What are you thinking? Why would you take such a risk?

Because of your influence, don’t you realize that your message will cause many Christians to vote either Third Party, Write-In, or not at all (a la 2012). Each of these options will in actuality, be a vote for Clinton. Don’t you realize that this will only make it more difficult for Trump to gain the upward momentum needed to defeat Clinton?

How could you make such a miscalculation in tactics?

You use the 1998 issue with Clinton as a precedence and justification for your action. But this is not a valid comparison for application of this principle. Clinton was a sitting President, who while in office, recently committed those terrible deeds. The incident with Trump occurred eleven years ago and he was not the President. So using that comparison as cover and precedence for consistency simply does not wash.

Besides, what about Clinton’s character? Where is your call for her to step down?

You also say, “We should not abandon our witness to the world that God is real. Glorifying God by honoring His standards is worth more than political gain.”

Yet how honoring of His Standards will it be when we consciously work against the only person standing between us and a Clinton Administration, because we have pangs about his character, and have discouraged our own team from voting for him. What you are doing is actually working against Christ, not standing up for Him.

We didn’t see Joseph or Moses shy away from their opportunity to influence the unGodly ruler of the most important and powerful nation of thier day. Esther didn’t fail to seize the opportunity to influence Xerxes/Artaxerxes because he did not believe in the One True God. Daniel did not turn-down the opportunity to influence Babylon for the Lord because Nebuchadnezzar was a pagan.

To wax more Americana, sometimes an otherwise good team’s Offensive Squad really struggles during a game. It could be because of injuries, or a variety of other reasons. In those cases, the whole team has to rely on the Defense. Now these guys aren’t pretty and don’t get all the praise that the Offensive Squad gets. They guys are often a bit rough around the edges. But they are almost always tough. And there have been more than a few games where the Defense not only held onto a win, but in some cases, they actually scored to create a win.

Trump is something like that Defensive Squad for us. He can stop Clinton from winning. We don’t have to “endorse” him and the life he has lived. We don’t even have to like him. All we have to do is support him, vote for him and encourage others to do the same.

At such a time as this, this election cycle is more about keeping the opponent from scoring. We need to defend ourselves against the crushing defeat of our nation’s spirit that will result if Clinton is elected. And it looks like the only one suited-up and on the field is Trump. He is the only one standing between us and Clinton, completing the work Obama began to destroy (transform) our nation. Trump is simply our only hope.

Either we elect Trump and get a fighting chance to wake-up Christians out of their stupor and reclaim this nation for Christ, or we elect Clinton and say goodbye forever to the America we knew. We will be turning out the lights – the Light of Christ – on the Founders’ vision and hard work in establishing a Nation firmly footed upon and operated by Christian Principles.

And as some consolation and a ray of hope, Trump has surrounded himself with many prominent Christian Worldview Leaders who are already showing significant influence. And I can’t help but believe the Holy Spirit is also involved with this process.

Further, this is not just about us or returning to the good ol’ days. We cannot forget how the Lord has used our nation as a Christ friendly place for millions upon millions to hear about Christ and freely come to accept the Lord as their personal Lord and savior. If we lose this battle, I suspect we will be turning out the light for potentially hundreds of millions of people in the future.

Nor can we cannot forget how the Lord has used the United States to bless the entire world. That will also come to end I fear.

Interestingly, we may be overlooking and perhaps ignoring the real problem here: that Christians have absented themselves from very significant “Portals of Influence” in the American culture. Then, without considering the logical fallacy, they seem horrified that these areas have become so corrupt. And what’s worse, these spheres of influence have not simply become innocuous immaterial elements in the culture, but have actually grown in their own influence and are turning to attack Christian Principles and eventually, Christians themselves. Again, this is on us. And we need to make this a priority mission to re-engage the culture.

You wonder if WORLD will be rescued “…from the ire some Trump supporters will feel.” I should think you and WORLD’s Leadership should be more concerned with being called to account by the Lord for the way you have used the influence with which He has blessed you, to increase the opportunity for evil to succeed.

Your actions, to the extent that they are effective, can only serve to help derail the campaign of the Republican Party’s Nominee and make a Democratic win more likely.

Your Brother in Christ and With Sincere Regards,

 

Roland Smith

I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. (Mat 10:16, NIV84)

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Further examples of bias in headlining.

: “Control of the U.S. Senate remains in doubt as Democrats stand with Clinton and Republicans cope with Trump”

      “Democrats stand with Clinton” – a sign of unity and strength

      “Republicans cope with Trump” – implying that Trump is a problem with which they must cope.

     Very disappointing indeed. It would appear that you intend to keep on influencing in support of Clinton. You might as well say  you openly support her and be done with it.

: Prominently displaying a picture of a “Flush McCrory” sign. You are doing the marketing work for those who are working against Christian Principles. 

: Picture of Hillary Clinton with headline that reads “Less Unfit for Power.”

LAB

Vote for Pence as VP and get him in as the President of the 50-50 Senate. Writing him in as President will not count. 

Shanch

I am surprised, that no one has referenced Daniel in the analysis of this election.  Daniel served Nebuchadnezzar, a character,  no doubt, far worse than Donald Trump. He served with wisdom and integrity to build up the kingdom in which he lived.  He couldn't stop all of Nebuchadnezzar's excesses, but he wielded great influence on him because of his faith in God.  He even castigated Nebuchadnezzar for his sins: "Therefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable to you: break off your sins by  practicing righteousness,  and your iniquities by showing mercy to the oppressed,  that there may perhaps be a lengthening of your prosperity.”" (4:27). I believe the Republican party has several Daniels in its ranks; I don't think the Democrats have one.  If I vote for Trump, I won't be voting for him, but for the Daniels in his camp.

bollard

Are the offenses of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump so lock stepped that our judgment on them must be the same? Wouldn’t the subtitle underneath “Time to Step Aside” be more accurate if it read, “What applied to Bill Clinton in 1998 because of what he did in 1997 applies to Donald Trump in 2016 for what he said in 2005?” Were the acts they committed the same? Was each done while occupying an office of public trust? Has Trump displayed the same pattern of behavior as Clinton has continued to display? Are we so sure that Trump’s apology is as insincere and hollow as Clinton’s turned out to be? Does it not matter that he apologized? Do past sins forever disqualify an aspirant to public office?

I realize that the distinctions implied above might be deemed superficial, and that Mr. Trump’s apology for his words and the despicable attitude he displayed might be dismissed as a political expedient delivered only out of pragmatic necessity. But were these matters considered? Is there solid evidence to deem Mr. Trump’s apology to be insincere? Or does it simply not matter even if it is?

Please know that I continue to hold all the members of team WORLD in the highest regard. You are people of integrity and insight, and my confidence in you has not been shaken in the least. I urge you not to be disheartened by the backlash that you are doubtless experiencing from your official repudiation of Donald Trump. Maintain my subscription! But think about those questions.

Gma Joyce 6

Amen, Susan.

Gma Joyce 6

Thank you, World, for your honest and Biblical reporting. Regarding this article, I decided this past week that if I truly believe that God is in charge, and that whoever becomes our national leader is appointed by God, and if my voting for either candidate is a vote for an undesirable, dangerous leader, then I must take a different course and put my total trust in God alone. Therefore, having been impressed by Mike Pence, I intend to write him in as my choice for our next president.  I believe that if either Hillary or Trump is elected it is a sign of God's judgement coming on a nation that has rejected Him!

TPO9203

I was disappointed in your October 29 cover story "Time to Step Aside....What Applied to Bill Clinton in 1998 Applies to Donald Trump in 2016". Not true. Donald Trump has never been a sitting president. Throughout Biblical history, God has used imperfect people. Joseph and Daniel were the number 2 men in government during their lifetimes. We need to vote on the platforms of the nominees, which is a real clear choice. 

Proudmama

God has sovereignly given us 2 choices on Election Day.    Keep grunting, refuse to vote, or vote for Hillary, means that you are voting in a Democratic government, with its  pro-abortion platform.  People need to GET OVER their moral outreage, and think about the UNBORN, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, & the SUPREME COURT!   

Proudmama

You've got to be kidding me!  Despite your annoying rantings, literally all year long, Trump won the primary election & became the Republican nominee.  Pence and Trump's supporters won't ask him to step aside.   You #NeverTrumpers will have gotten exactly what you wanted.   #NeverTrump & 8 years of Hillary, the most pro-abortion candidate we've ever had;  a direct threat to religious freedom.   Not to mention economic decline with her war on coal, pro-TPP, pro-globalist trade agenda.   

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JOHN B STONE DMIN

Still voting for Trump, not voting for Trump (a sinner like you) gurantees Clinton win-can't see how increasing evil and corruption can help anyone, esp the unborn.

 

SHOL8481

I agree with Matthew...well said.

William 1958

@Disciple9290 - well said, I'm with you.

William 1958

@SonoitaMike - AGREED ! it stinks to high heaven !

William 1958

@Taffy - yes, the Hallelujah commenters are earnest, but naive.

Wcu9444

Good work.  Amen and amen.  My respect for your magazine just went up - haven't planned to vote for Trump but neither will I be voting for Hillary.  Can't in good conscience vote for either one.  

 

vtht65

The Democratic playbook relies on sexual smears. Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich come to mind. Now we have a new group of discredited "ladies" pushed out by the NY Times to smear Mr. Trump. The search for the "Perfect" candidate is a fool's errand. Trump "stepping aside" at this late date just guarantees that the Clinton sleeze now being documented hourly by Wikileaks will continue. We have a choice between these two for better or worse. The idea that Trump electors could somehow unite behind an as yet unknown Republican is ludicrous.

Tim Larsen

The decision who will become president in 2017 has been already been made since the beginning of time. God is sovereign overall and there is nothing that can thwart His plan. He puts people into power and He takes them out of power. He controls their hearts and He directs their paths. There is nothing that He does not control. All answer to Him. Do you think He does not control who is on the supreme court? Do you not think there was a decision made in the supreme court that surprised Him, caught Him off guard? We agonize over who will be next in line but we must find peace and freedom in our choices because ultimately it makes no difference for who you will be voting. I know that may seem over simplistic for all of you but every lot that is cast into the lap each decision is from the Lord. Could any of you have such confidence in God's sovereignty as to be comfortable having them cast lots to see who will be our next president? It would certainly save of a bunch of money and a lot less worry. In 1932 Mickey Mouse received 33,000 votes. If you have a better candidate in mind, whom you feel has more integrity right them in. No one says we have to vote for these choices. I am voting because that is my right. I will vote how the Lord directs my heart and mind through His word, by His Spirit and listening to all of you who are walking by the Spirit.

Hans

Well, judging by the tone and message of many of these comments, I have to hand it to Donald Trump. He was right when he said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and I wouldn't lose any votes." Because, you know, supreme court justices!

Salty1

@phillipW: It amazes me how we expect our candidates to be completely from a Christian mold. If they are not, then we will turn against them even if they are better than the other candidates and resign ourselves to defeat. If we have a chance to get 60% of what we want from a roughneck Casino developer or 0% then the wise way would be to take the 60%!  We cannot expect the casino developer to have the character of a pastor!  When the left does a political "hit job" on him right before the election, we should be smart enough to see what it is, rather than rallying to his destruction. If my every word for the last 11 years was examined, I am sure there would be things I said that I would be totally ashamed to have repeated before the world, let alone a roughneck casino developer. If we look back during the time of the judges, many of them were the roughneck type - just look at Sampson.  They operated under a theocracy, which is different than today. Your holy roller attitude will only lead to the destruction of this great nation! Please be wise and vote for Trump!

Salty1

@Deb:  When I think of the cost that went into making America the godly light shining in the world, it greatly pains me to see how Christians so frivolously are throwing it all away. I was Trump's greatest critic in the primary but when he won, there was no other effective choice but to support Trump who is far less evil than Hillary. I don't buy your argument that they are the same! Abortion is the greatest evil that America has seen - even worse than slavery. And here I think those who pushed for its legalization and supported it politically (like Hillary) have the greatest blood on their hands.  The young girl or woman who was misled or pressured into abortion does have God's offer of forgiveness, so I do think one should communicate the seriousness of the sin, yet not make the guilt excessive.  So, you seem to not believe that abortion is a serious sin, by your comments in your post.  And the appointment of judges is not important? If Trump will just appoint good judges, then that sets him miles apart from Hillary, for we know the kind of judges she will appoint!  And we have seen Hillary on the job selling out our foreign policy so she and Bill can get rich through bribery.  Money was given to the Clinton foundation and Hillary and Bill were paid high fees to give talks at events, where the payee got immediate service at the State Department, where they would bend the US foreign policy to make sure the money kept rolling in. The server was her attempt to conceal her graft and corruption. That in itself should have put Hillary in jail, yet the Obama corruption prevented true justice from being served! I should bring out Hillary's gross ineptitude in foreign policy, which has enabled ISIS and the mass killings in the Middle East. Most disturbing is the marrying off of little girls where they are abused tortured and sometimes killed.  Or the little Christian boys being killed in cruel and torturous ways!  Hillary has failed to reign in this evil where her lackadaisical and foolish efforts (this includes Obama) are most notable. Giving billions of dollars -even cash payments to release Americans - to Iran was totally outrageous!  So Trump says a lot of foolish things but he is standing fast  to fight these evils. How do we know he will follow through? Trump has a lot of pride so he sees things through - just look at his businesses.  He will complete it out of his stubbornness and pigheadedness - in this case traits that work to our favor.  Also, Trump is seeking to leave a mark for good. He sees the liberal lies and corruption and is truly angered by it.  I don't think this is fantasy thinking on my part either for he has put forward a lot of money to run, he visibly gets fired up about it, and  there is a complexity about the man that defies simplistic explanations. God often chooses the simple to shame the wise, and I would not be surprised if down the road we see him become a changed man. Now I am not saying we should vote for him on these premonitions, but the other points are valid.  And we can always impeach Trump should he abandon reason and engage in foolishness worthy of impeachment!  Trump is worthy of our support and our votes, for if we do not support him, we will see Hillary in office - the greatest evil!

MTJanet

I agree.  I think the Christians who lived under the reign of Rome's evil leaders wish they could have had a vote.  I believe that we must vote for the one who will do the most good - and that is pathetic that it is a man named Trump at this time.  A good article was in the Wall Street Journal on Thurs.  http://www.wsj.com/articles/should-christians-vote-for-trump-1476294992?mod=trending_now_3     Am I endorsing Trump?  No.  But there is a  good case for voting for him and against Clinton.  Especially get the part about who William Wilberforce allied himself with to abolish slavery.  Strange bedfellows working together for good can accomplish good.  And we know the evil we have been forced to contend with under Obama's reign.  

nnelson

We may all want to disavow Mr Trump, but as Christians and Americans we have a civic duty to vote for a presidential candidate. As I make my choice on November 8 I will be considering the consequences of that choice, our military, our budget, our taxes, our tarnished reputation because we have bowed to so many world leaders and failed to follow through on our promises, and of course, perhaps most important, our future supreme court. I will be able to sleep knowing I have voted for Mike Pence and his running mate, at least one example of Donald Trump's wise choices.

ABO6185

Journalists are to report,not decide.You've given in to the Hilary bashers and their"truth".

Yje2165

Very well said.

Taffy

How do you know God's mind on this/. An African American homeschooling mother of 9 asked God for whom He would want her to vote.  She "heard" "You have Nebuchadnezzar and Jezebel.  I say Nebuchadnezzar."  Let's consider Jeremiah 27:6 "I have given all these lands into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar...my servant:", and: Daniel 4:37 "Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and houour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgement: and those that walk in pride he able to abase."  Let's pray and praise God that He is at work.  I am voting and working for God's unlikely looking Nebuchadnezzar.  I've been a Pro-Life lobbyist and political worker for 36 years. Many of the ideas in the comments above sound pretty naive to one who has been in the trenches.

EVA3829

If there was only a way we could vote for Pence and not Trump.

Taffy

How do you know God's mind on this/. An African American homeschooling mother of 9 asked God for whom He would want her to vote.  She "heard" "You have Nebuchadnezzar and Jezebel.  I say Nebuchadnezzar."  Let's consider Jeremiah 27:6 "I have given all these lands into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar...my servant:", and: Daniel 4:37 "Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and houour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgement: and those that walk in pride he able to abase."  Let's pray and praise God that He is at work.  I am voting and working for God's unlikely looking Nebuchadnezzar.  I've been a Pro-Life lobbyist and political worker for 36 years. Many of the ideas in the comments above sound pretty naive to one who has been in the trenches.  

DWI2080

Now that you/ve fallen for the Left's propaganda just who will you vote for?  Donald Trump has committed to appointing conservative justices to SCOTUS, he has stated he will repeal the IRS censorship of free speech in our pulpits, he has appointed  a good man as his VP, and he has raised an exemplary family.  We are not electing a pastor.  This is politics, not a church meeting vetting elders. This is serious and you evidently do not have the discernment to see it.  Maybe that is God's will.

SonoitaMike

Your comments process is worse than the lines at Disneyland!!!

Salty1

What about unfit for reporting? Embracing the greatest evil is no virtue! In fact it could be called evil!

Shay

Sounds to me like "World" has joined the world.  They have decided - against God's word - to judge a non christian against Biblical, Christian standards.  They have not done the same with Clinton.  

I Corinthians 5:12 says, "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"  

 

 

Salty1

The foolish stand of not supporting Trump will lead to much more evil with Hillary as president. Don't you care about abortion? Don't you care about little children being tortured and slaughtered for their faith by ISIS and a corrupt and inept USA doing nothing about it? Do you want to kiss goodbye gun rights, religious freedom, and freedom of speech? Do you want your church shut down because of hate speech laws?  What if Trump was a murderer? Would you vote for him then?  Well David was an adulterer and a murderer, yet God did not remove him from being the King.  There are times that we are stuck with choosing the lesser of two evils, like in this election. Trump, with all his foolishness, does not compare to the evil of Hillary Clinton who is a modern day Jezebel!  It is time to own up to reality and support Trump! Smug self righteousness will only destroy this nation and lead to greater evil!

SonoitaMike

You have explained the problem very well. It seems we Christians are better victims than participants. Now I see how  Nazi party accomplished what they did with many ChristiI ans support, or silence, until it was too late!

SonoitaMike

Please share what the right thing is in your mind. If we apply Christian standards on all our candidates we have no one to vote for!

SonoitaMike

I am confused. You state that Mr. Trump should step down for something he confessed to doing and then apologized for doing. I would expect forgiveness. You claim that we shouldn't base our vote on what we are afraid Mrs. Clinton will do yet you say we should not vote  Mr. Trump for what you are afraid he will do. Should we judge you for your past communist ideologies? We don't like having to pick the lesser of two evils but to try and do otherwise is lettering the worst of two evils prevail.

Welcome to Babylon fellow Daniel's!

Salty1

Eileen, we recognize that these recent charges were brought up at the best time to ensure Hillary gets elected. Does something smell fishy? Why did the liberal press sit on these charges? Why did the "victims" not bring these charges up years ago? This is a political attack to destroy Trump, so yes when the life of this nation is on the line, I will choose the lesser of evil - where Hillary has him far beaten on the evil charge!  

Salty1

Allowing the greatest evil is not righteous nor shrewd!  It could well be said to be evil!

Shay

I agree with you, Andy...

 

RMF

Evan Mcmullin is a fine choice. He's honorable and experienced.

https://www.evanmcmullin.com/home

 

 

LAB

Karen for Life - I am with you on voting for the President of the Senate, Mike Pence. 

 

TWH

Such a different situation today. I think it's important to register a vote because otherwise it appears that we aren't involved or concerned.  I plan to write in Tom Hoefling of America's Party. He has a clear and consistent Christian testimony and was very knowledgeable in an interview on the Iron Sharpens Iron podcast.  

ETI5352

We agree with you 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ETI5352

We agree 100%!!!!  We are so terribly disappointed in Marvin's article.  Tom and Darlene Tibbetts, Woodbury, MN

Allen Johnson

It seems from the Patristic writings that the early church of the first couple centuries did not participate in many of the Roman offices and positions including the military and magistrate offices. They abstained from "the sword" and its power even though they did not try to make the Roman government pacifist.
Today, in different political situation, we might consider not voting for a president this round as an act of faithfulness. One could still vote for local political offices, state offices, etc.

 

Karen for Life

I have been praying for weeks, that God would provide an honorable Republican to replace Trump--unlikely as you say, but God might in His mercy and grace engineer such a feat.  Nothing too difficult for Him.  

I had a new thought today. In the that case God does not answer my plea, I see the Senate as the main brake on the Presidency, if it is willing. Another way to view the election is that we are electing the 101st Senator (the Vice President who presides and is the tie-breaker) as well as the President.  Who that 101st is matters hugely!  Maybe, I can vote for that Senator (VP Pence) while holding the barf bag while voting for the ticket.

beep523

Trump's incident was deliberately released by the media in a perceived attempt to cause the loss of the Christian vote for Donald Trump. Whether these voters vote for Hiliary or one of the third party candidates or don't vote at all, the dems do not care. But they must stop the possible election of Donald Trump by any and all means. I doubt they are finished with their attempts. The problem is they will succeed to some extent because Christians will use their sense of decency to vote instead of seeking God's Will in this election. It has been said that the end-time church will either learn to hear the Lord's voice or it will give in to the devil's desires by default. I think we are seeing this concept play out in the election. May we wake up before the challenges get worse and very few believers are left standing (Mt. 24). Logic cannot be used because we do not see all things as God does. So only those who hear His Voice and are obedient to it will endure until the end of the age. And, yes, World staff, that includes you, too.

paul49

I don't know where to start. This is so wrong at every level. Let's see, I have a tape of Marvin Olasky stating his anti-christian beliefs and pro pagan beliefs before he became a Christian and now it is made public. I think for the good of World Magazine and the entire sensitive Christian world that he should step down from his positon . Ridculous correct? Yet a tape emerges from 11 years ago about men talking about women in a PRIVATE conversation and acting like jerks. Wow, did you feel the earth tremble. Could there be any more earth shaking news than this? Please grow up and don't act as though you are all above this. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. Trump was pro-choice 11 years ago and I am pretty sure he thought homosexual marriage was ok. Look at the man now, he has accepted Christ, there is no doubt he still needs the milk of the word at this time, but he has changed his position to pro-life and marriage between a man and a woman. Positions not particulary popular in todays world if attempting to become the President of the United States. Trump was publically humiliated by the release of the tape and has apoligized to his family, friends and the citizens of the USA. Remember they were just words and not actions.He stands for a strong military and borders, law and order, lowering taxes on the average tax payer and for corporations which will stop them from leaving America and will create jobs. Trump said he would help the Mid-eastern Christians who are being genocided right now in real time. He said he will bring back Merry Christmas to the White House, might sound trivial to some but in this day of anti-Christian sentiment it is HUGE. Trump will appoint Supreme Court justices who are constitutionalists, who will preserve our religious liberty. Don't you get how BIG that is? The other side will appoint justices who will be anti-Christian and pro-homosexual and pro-islam. My first choice was Senator Cruz. I now support Trump because of his positions. Trump is not a politician and is far from perfect and definitely rough around the edges but he is the best we have to choose from. How many imperfect people did God use? Do you think Mike Pence would stay with a man like Trump if he really thought he was not a changed man, I don't think so. So you and Joel and the rest of the staff at World get off your high horses and your perfection test and pray to the Lord to ask HIM if this is the man he has sent to straighten out the USA at this time. I am truley disappointed in ALL of you for doing this but I am not cancelling my subscription as I think you ALL have the heart of God in mind EXCEPT your decision about Mr. Trump. I realize in the end that the Lord will put in power who He wants for his ends and my faith is in Christ alone but He expects us to do our part and be faithful to HIM alone. Please reconsider and look at the BIG picture the LORD is showing all of us and endorse Trump. Grace and Peace, Paul Piazza.

William 1958

Let me remind World and the Hallelujah readers here: Paul Kengor, professor at Grove City College, back in 2004 or so, got archives from the Cold War, and started writing a book. By 2008, what he found was a trail of associations that led straight to . . . Barack Obama. He said it was "chilling". When his book was published, they started getting on his case because they said he was a "racist", and was just out to get the black man. So Prof. Kengor had to prove via his (non-deleted) emails that he had just started a book and went where the evidence led.

And this is what World is ushering in.

William 1958

World doubles down on stepping in front of the Trump Train, that, um, God ordained. Five top article #NeverTrump for 24 hours straight, and bringing out article authors from the back room.

Look at the situation - World Magazine stands arm in arm with the NYT, Washington Post, Huffington Post, The Atlantic, The Daily Beast, etc etc. 

Politics is a contact sport, and politics is about winning. So the left has set the standard for the Christians / conservatives - now ANY CANDIDATE WHO HAS EVER SINNED WILL BE SHREDDED.

It's all classic Alinsky tactics, and I cannot remember one article about this. "Freeze, Isolate, and destroy". Also, I haven't seen any articles on the Frankfurt School - you might want to look that up. While you're at it, check out the Communists 100 year plan in this trailer of "AGENDA: Grinding America Down." It's pretty scary.

William 1958

@LivingH20 - totally agree. Marvin didn't learn his lesson when is pride got in the way as architect of George W Bush's "compassionate conservatism". He got chewed up and spit out then by the press.

World et al are running scared of the NYT calling them hypocrites.

William 1958

@Williamson - totally agree.

William 1958

@Charles - agreed. World is unfit to make political predictions, and in fact unfit to predict how God would use Trump.

William 1958

@catalystken - you said "Evangelicals and other conservatives who supported Trump early in the process over better men and women because they were scared of the world and angry with the media and good men like Paul Ryan because they are gradualists are getting exactly what they deserve."

- it wasn't evangelicals who supported Trump, it was The Tea Party types who got fed up with people like Paul Ryan, who approved Obama's budget that included $500 MILLION for Planned Parenthood. Maybe next time it will gradually be reducted to $400 MILLION ?

Tta6972

Yes I believe you are wrong in making this decision to also come out against Trump.  He was not my choice but considering the possibility of having Hillary Clinton in office and what she would do to the Supreme Court which will last for decades to come, I will vote for Trump.  At least he would start by defunding PP of the tax dollars that keep going to them for the killing of unborn babies.  There are many people throughout the ages that God has used to bring about His work in this sin filled world.  You have helped to cause many believers to not vote or vote third party, which will be a vote for Hillary.  None of us are without sin and without the grace of God would be responsible for the judgment on our sins.  Trump has made changes in his life as testified to by many strong believers that he has asked to be with him, guide and pray for him.  None of us upon becoming believers were void of the vulgar ways we had before we became believers.  For most we are on a road of sanctification through the guidance of the Holy Spirit in our lives.  You have judged him before he was able to travel very far down his road of sanctification.  I have been a long time supporter and have used your articles many times in my testimony to others.  I am not sure I can continue to support this magazine any longer.  You have in calling for Trump to step aside given more support to the evil side of liberalism that continues the killing innocents through abortion, because of your sensitivities to this man using vulgar and dispicable language in his past.  You have emboldened the evil that is working in this nation to remove any belief in God, His creation and the beauty of life as He has made it.

 

EYA0337

Thank you!!  I have never been comfortable with either Trump or Clinton.  That they have become the major party candidates for President says more about the state of the electorate in this country, including Christians, than anything else.  My prayer has been that God would somehow intervene before it is too late.

ETI5352

From Dr James Dobson: “I do not condone nor defend Donald Trump’s terrible comments made 11 years ago. They are indefensible and awful. I’m sure there are other misdeeds in his past, although as Jesus said, ‘Let him who is without sin cast the first stone,’ he said, according to WND.

“I am, however, more concerned about America’s future than Donald Trump’s past. I wonder about how Bill Clinton’s language stands up in private.”

Dobson, who initially supported Sen. Ted Cruz for president, explained his support of Trump in response to those who have asked if the candidate’s comments have caused him to withdraw his support.

 

ETI5352

From Gary Bauer: Imagine for a moment that Hillary Clinton wins and becomes president. Let me give you some idea of what we will be facing in the next four years.

Christian universities will be required to provide housing for homosexual students.

Christian elementary and secondary schools, along with churches, will be forced to accommodate the left's demands or risk losing their tax-exempt status because their views on human sexuality will be defined as bigotry toward "sexual minorities."

Churches and other religious institutions will be required to subsidize abortions. The Obama Administration attempted to do that and we stopped them by one vote. Justice Scalia is now enjoying his eternal reward in Heaven. But if Hillary wins, he will be replaced by a pro-abortion appointee.

All taxpayers, Christians included, will be forced to pay for abortions and other procedures.

There will be increasing pressure to ban religious displays in the public square.

The ripping out of all vestiges of Christianity in the United States military will be completed in her first term. If chaplains are permitted, they will be government-approved, politically correct chaplains who put Caesar before God.

If you are a Christian who believes you have a moral duty to protect your family, your right to own a gun will be taken away.

My friends, this is not hyperbole. In every example above, I provided links to news stories. Read for yourself what the left is trying to do NOW. Imagine what would happen if Democrats control the White House, the Supreme Court and Congress.

To any conflicted Christian voter: I can't guarantee that you will like everything Donald Trump does if he is elected. But I can guarantee that you will like NOTHING Hillary Clinton does.

Has Trump sinned? Of course. We can say with certainty that Trump has sinned, as you have and as I have. Thus the need for the suffering on the Cross.

Will Hillary Clinton sin if elected? Yes. But here is the difference: She will devote every ounce of power she has to ripping out every influence in society that believes there is such a thing as sin and that there are reliable standards of right and wrong.

A Christian who cannot see the difference between a candidate who has sinned and yet promises good policies and a candidate who has sinned and promises bad policies has been failed along the way -- either by our educational system, our political leaders or our faith leaders.

Clinton's Corruption

There have been rumors before, but Fox News is now adding substance to reports that FBI officials were outraged with Director James Comey's decision to not press charges against Hillary Clinton.

One source said, "No trial level attorney agreed, no agent working the case agreed, with the decision not to prosecute.

Another source, described as a "high-ranking FBI official," added, "It was unanimous that we all wanted her [Clinton's] security clearance yanked. . . We were floored while listening to the FBI briefing because Comey laid it all out, and then said 'but we are doing nothing,' which made no sense to us."

These whistleblowers have an obligation to come forward and Republicans in Congress owe it to the American people to make sure their stories are heard.

And voters should do everything they can to make sure Crooked Hillary never steps foot in the Oval Office!

ETI5352

Amen!

KOL5040

I have decided that the only candidate I can support is Darrell Castle - he is the Constitutional candidate - he is not on every ballot but he can be written in with his running mate Scott Bradley on every state ballot in the USA - look at the Constitution party - the democrats and republicans have become one in the same and they offer choices that are dismal to say the least.

I know many will say you are thowing your vote away by supporting a third party - our vote is not like a lottery ticket! We don't have to support the winner. We as Christians should support someone who reflects our values. I will admit I have voted republican in every election except one because of the pro-life stand. I will support local candidates who support pro-life - but Trump is not fit in any way to be president (Hillary is not either) - so third party. The other two major third party Jill Stien and Gary Johnson are not pro-life - only one running is - Darrell Castle. Please look over the Constitution Party's Platform - The first line in their preamble states "The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States." Their platform is Christ centered and Constitution supportive. 

Mark Olson

DWayne

True. We must NOT war with each other. Let's sort through all the shouting: I'm thinking World would agree that BOTH Clinton and Trump are unfit to lead this nation, and who would disagree with that. We can go on and on about their sins. But what about the actual choice to be made at the polls on November 8th? Can World actually say Clinton is the best choice? Yes, third party people are out there, but let's get real. NONE of them will be elected. So ... again ... it's him or her. How can all our many beloved and admired evangelical stars, or all the rest of us, vote for her? Is she the one that's going to move this nation forward with less baggage and damage than him? And please stop with the "I'm not voting at all." Again, that's a vote for her.  

TWH

This election has brought me into familiarity with the term "consequentialism" - essentially, "the end justifies the means." That has long been standard operating procedure for liberals, but now we see it in bold print among conservatives, including Evangelical leaders.

I can find nowhere in Scripture that God gives any support whatsoever to that philosophy, but admit that I am as tempted by it as others. It's important for us to remember God's sovereignty and the fact that he simply asks us to be true to his Word. That can be very difficult, but it is the only safe path.    

TPU9795

My question for the World staff is: what of his policies have changed?

Then I might agree with their call for him to step aside. Didn't we know this was who he was before that tape was ever leaked? It seems sanctimonious to distance from him now.  There is not much difference between what was recorded and what we already knew about this womanizing, foul-mouthed unbeliever. Why would we expect him to act differently?

The stakes of this election are so high. This lewd conversation pales in comparison to the damage that will be done through Hillary's globalist, anti-American and pro death agenda.  Articles like this simply give more fodder to the non-voting or 3rd party voters. Which will be the reason we end up with a criminal in the White House. 

NFO7357

Very disappointed in World.  This article will help to ensure that we become a country that includes Sharia law and Christian persecution.  

Bill Taylor

The Washington Post warns us about Hillary: you should read it all.

In a speech not long before she launched her 2016 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton made a stunning declaration of war on religious Americans. Speaking to the 2015 Women in the World Summit, Clinton declared that “deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”

Religious beliefs have to be changed? This is perhaps the most radical statement against religious liberty ever uttered by someone seeking the presidency. It is also deeply revealing. Clinton believes that, as president, it is her job not to respect the views of religious conservatives but to force them to change their beliefs and bend to her radical agenda favoring taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.

This is the context in which we must read a recently released trove of emails — which, according to WikiLeaks, come from the accounts of Clinton staff — showing the rampant anti-Catholic bigotry that permeates Clinton World.

heartafterGod

Amen! I agree wholeheartedly!

EIW5290

Wait - what?  When did Beth Moore's name come up?  It's sounds like Trump abused her -- and that's not so.

Sam Powell

What an indictment on our country, to have two candidates that are the face of Americas greatest sins,  Hilary the face of abortion and Trump the face of Pornography!  - Time for Christians to stop looking at Washington for answers.

jclark53

On the issue of sexual misbehavior I think both candidates are equal: Trump (assuming the allegations are correct) and Hillary (for supporting and enabling Bill.) Either take that issue out of the campaign and judge them based on other factors, or ask both to resign. I'm very disappointed on this editorial and think you didn't consider it carefully.

Jrmbasso

Thank you WORLD for your challenging editorial. One phrase from it states that people will disappoint. In this editorial you have disappointed me. You call for Trump's withdrawal but you could have argued for Clinton's withdrawal with the same force also. But you chose not to. I find that puzzling! Would not the withdrawal of both be more likely to throw the Electoral College into a situation that would yield a better result than our current prospect. Both candidates are deplorable and neither is indwelled with the Holy Spirit so that they might be filled with the knowledge of God's will as they govern  (Colossians 1: 9-12).  But God is sovereign and just like He named the pagan Cyrus to free His chosen people He has a plan to use His church to bring Him glory. I will continue to pray for God's wisdom on how to vote because I believe as a citizen I should vote. Another disappointment is why prayer was only mentioned once in your editorial. 

Williamson

Amen & amen & amen.

One of Many

Spot on.  This is a mind-bender of hypocrisy... we want to install moral judges via an immoral man.   What could possibly be said when Eli's sons proceed to defile the temple? 

LAB

Gary Johnson is 100% pro abortion. Killing of babies is alright with him. 

Katie

Williamson makes some excellent points in his comment. This issue is far from over or settled and thank goodness God is in control, because we the people clearly don't know what we're doing.

Williamson

By the time this hit my inbox Fri.14.Oct.16 we're at 3.5 weeks from election day. To chartacterize your call for Trump to step aside at this point as last minute is understatement. So much to say about this, but who wants to read any more Christian angst about this election? 

I'm marking my ballot for Trump on Tu.08.Nov.16. I don't support him. Never have. He alineated me from the get-go with his absurb remark about the worthiness of McCain's military service as a POW. But the alternative in Clinton is unthinkable. And neither 3rd party candidate is qualified, nor do any conceiveable write-ins have a snowball's chance. 

The only thing Trump has going for him is that he's a complete unknown in elective office. Clinton is an ironclad guarantee that infanticide will continue unabated & the LGBT agenda will become, if it isn't already, the norm. The same may happen under Trump, but only the living God knows before the fact. 

Why is Trump's trash talk about women the 'last straw'? Where was WORLD's & the Christian community's call for him to step aside not made when he said he had never asked God for forgivenss while at the same time claiming to be a Christian. Say what? This is irreconciilable. Where's the 'last straw' thinking at this expression of chutzpah? Is this not an affront to the living God? If we're rank ordering sins, is such a statement not quite of the magnitude of trash talking women? 

I''m not an apologist for Trump. I'm not downplaying the gravity of his comments about women. But to paraphrase 'ragin' cajun' Carville, it's the culture, stupid. Neither Trump nor Clinton are the problem. Rather, it's a thoroughly secularized culture that gives rise to such thoroughly unqualified, unworthy candidates. And some (many?) Christians have particpated in securing his nomination. How did our culture get to where we are, and what's the Church of the living God & His people called to do about it? Why are more than a few Chrsitians embracing Trump and making a false messiah of him? These are issues the Christian community should be investing its time and energy praying about and pondering rather than making an 11th hour call for Trump to step aside. 

If Trump were to miraculously heed WORLD's, or somebody's, call to drop out, what's the editors' plan for anointing a new republican candidate? The party simply invites Pence to step up? Does that respect the process of selecting the head of the ticket? 

Cory Brouwer

I completely agree with Elaine. This is the most hypocritical article I have ever seen in World. Why aren't you asking Hillary to step aside for supporting and enabling her rapist husband, breaking federal laws and all of the corruption? Why aren't you asking members of congress to resign or step aside for many of the same transgressions? Only holding one candidate to Christian standards is ridiculous and hypocritical. According to this line of thinking, we shouldn't vote at all because all the candidates are sinners.  

SKN2949

With only 25 days until the election, it is way too late to try to run in another Republican candidate even if  Trump would voluntarily step aside, which his over inflated ego would never permit him to do.  The tape reveals nothing  about Trump's character that wasn't apparent from the beginning.  The only thing worse than a Trump presidency would be a Clinton presidency.  It is way too late to abandon the lesser of two very evil choices.  I will sadly vote for Trump because the only alternative is a more evil Clinton.

LZW2264

Amen! Keep up the good work World.

 

NHE3195

God bless you!  It's high time a prominent evangelical leader wrote what you wrote.  I hate hypocrisy.  But it's not Trump who's hypocritical; he's just what he's always claimed to be.  The hypocrisy is with those Christians who called for Bill Clinton's impeachment and who are now giving Trump a pass.

JavaCyn

It is too late for "stepping aside and leaving room for another candidate."  Sort of like closing the front door after the cat has escaped. The ballots for the November General election have already been printed.  Americans overseas and in states with early voting have already voted. Since we know Clinton is pro-abortion, pro-open borders, sides with the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical islamic groups, dishonest and a liar of monumental proportions (and this is just the short list), this leaves me with no choice except to vote for Trump. Your article, suggesting an improbable solution, falls short.

charles jandecka

I am not a Trumpter ...

World is completely ignorant of the God's machinations in human affairs! Perhaps it should review Sampson's story. His birth a divine appointment, he went ot to judge Israel for 20 years. It was a record of property damage, killing and insaitiable sex. When his brothers eventually retrieved a mangled Sampson, they had no idea he would one day be mentioned in God's list of faith who's who.

World has foolishly tramped into an area reserved for a holy God to wander. Look out!!

Ron W

Marvin and anyone else calling for any change of candidate. There's far more at stake than "your" or "World's" reputation here. Make no mistake, it is literally for our country and for our life and everything we know to be good in this world.   

I will say nothing more. 

Aro7529

I have lost patience with Trump.  Your comments pushed me over the edge.  I know that my vote will help Hillary, but I think I am going to write in a vote for Marco Rubio.  I just need to state publically that I want character not just an anti-establishment candidate.   This may be a way to encourage Rubio to try four years from now.

I just finished reading John 17:20-29.  In this prayer of Jesus, He calls for his followers to have a love for Him which is compared to His love for His Father.  It is a love which is to demonstrate that God has acted in this world and brought His son to the world.  That prayer calls for a commitment to holiness.  There is no way after reading what God is calling me to that I can just ignore Trump's abuse of God's commands on treating women.

I also just read of George Washington's faith.  How far we have fallen ethically, even though as a nation, we have grown in economic power.

 I suspect the tapes and now the NY Times allegations were timed to destroy Trump.  I have just read of how Clinton sent information about Iraq on unsecured mail to John Podesta in violation of security laws.  I suspect the timing of these comments will hide Hillary's violations. 

Clearly, this election is a choice between two unfit candidates. I also suspect it is too late for Trump to give up and his arrogance is too great for him to do it, but I still will support your call to back down.

Catalystken

Evangelicals and other conservatives who supported Trump early in the process over better men and women because they were scared of the world and angry with the media and good men like Paul Ryan because they are gradualists are getting exactly what they deserve.  I told many of my friends who were Trump supporters that they were playing right into the media's hands as the media knew Trump was the only Republican candidate who Hilary could beat.  Hence all the free access and press he got last winter from CNN, MSNBC, etc..  Do you really think if he was a true conservative they would have given him access to call in whenever he wanted and rip the rest of the Republicans.  It turns out from recent Wiki leaks that Hilary and her team thought exactly the same thing as early as March and were actively rooting for a Trump nomination.  Now these same people complain that the Clintons are just as bad or worse then Trump.  Even if that is true I don’t think a good rallying cry for conservatives and evangelicals in 2016 should be our deplorable non conservative candidate is less deplorable than your liberal candidate.  There were several much better options all who would be comfortably ahead in the polls right now.    It is unfortunate that the legacy they are leaving behind is going to be 4 or more years of a Hilary Clinton presidency.  

EST4513

Sorry to read this on Oct 14, it seems a little late.  I suggest World step aside, as well as Evangelical Churches, as non profits so they can say what needs to be said on the front end, not by looking at the rear view mirror.  The Republican party offered several Christian candidates, and from day one the challenge was to get one nominated.  The 'church' could have taken a major position in doing - but there was a big vacuum of silence from the pulpit (and the church showed no willingness to join together across demoninational lines)...all due to the tax consequence as you mention in your article? There seems to be a great hypocrisy here, you can ask Trump to step down, but will not provide a recommendation for the next step or person...are you just unwilling - have our Christian leaders been silenced to speak?  I can be all in for Trump to step down provided there is a clear plan for next.  Non given...There is great concern that Trump did not let us down, we knew from the first debate who he was.  But the big let down was the millions of Christians who were not given greater insight from the pulpit on what was taking place and the importance.  We are left now to pray that God will forgive us and use either of the two flawed candidates to bring about His will for our country.  Neither candidate will be used by their failthful walk or willingly.

Jhamilton1

I respect World tremendously.  I probably will vote for the Republican with the best chance to beat Hlillary.  I will however do soul searching.  Thanks for all you do.  I will continue to support World - an unparalleled journal with stellar, fair, balanced,and kind hearted reporting from a Christian worldview. 

Son_of_Issachar

(Longtime World member and will continue to be here)

Is World also calling for Hillary to step aside?  I do not endorse or defend Trump, but if you agree that the left is destroying this country then not voting for him or sitting this one out is not an option for us.  Hillary's policies and past actions are completely contrary to our worldview.  

This same line of thought by us Christians to abandon a candidate gave a last minute victory to Barbara Boxer over her opponent in the early 90's. 

MED8281

Thank you. Difficult times, difficult words, difficult choices. We need the Lord's intervention!  It's time to pray for our country like never before. 

Matthew

The difference is, World does not support the Democratic platform in general. You can replace Hillary, but they're not going to be able to endorse that candidate. It's more than a character issue on that side of the aisle.

Disciple9290

Your conclusion may be valid, I dont know, but your substantiation is not.  Trumps failure 11 years ago does not necessarily disqualify him today.  A lot of us may not like what we did 11 years ago that we have rejected today.  Would we condemn a faithful member of our church today for something they had done 11 years ago?  (Granted their action years ago was not something they should go to jail for.)   Is Trump still doing today, what this video shows him doing 11 years ago?   Has Trump committed an offense worthy of jail, Clinton has.  To call for Trump to drop out and not ask for Clinton to do same is showing favoritism.  If I were to concede your conclusion, I would still have to say that neither candidate is fit to be our President.  But,  one we know without a doubt, will do evil.  The other will try to do good.  So far you have not persuaded me to not support Trump.  You have not lost me as a reader either.  We should all pray that God leads us, especially the church, to do the right thing.

Wayne Asbury

Marvin Olasky's article reminds me of Os Guinness' book "Prophetic Untimeliness."  Prophets don't have the luxury of reporting what people want to hear or can logically agree with, unless the prophet is a false prophet.  They have one duty and that is speaking truth regardless of who it frustrates, hurts, helps, or hinders.  Most if not all of the prophets in the Bible weren't real popular until after they died and poor old John was a voice in the wilderness.  Crowds tended to come and go.  Some may have canceled their memberships or even cried, "Off with his head." But then again the prophet had that one thankless job.  Speaking truth.  It appears that Mr Olasky is one of the prophets not because I like or enjoy what he had to say because sad news is always hard to hear.  But in confusing, morally ambiguous days the sound of a prophetic voice is mighty refreshing. I wonder did Elijah get accused of being self-righteous as he confronted Ahab?  Did Nathaniel say,"Don't worry David you said you were sorry. So your sins shouldn't cost you any support."  No, according to the record Elijah said, "No rain for 3 and 1/2 years."  And innocent people suffered and died because of that terrible drought induced famine. And David's child died and he continued to reap the fruit of his sins for the rest of his life. But then again a prophet's job isn't predicting election results or even figuring out who everybody should vote for. They have to speak truth like Daniel did to Nebuchadnezzar and Joseph and Moses did to the Pharaohs of Egypt.  So did they care what people thought of their message?  Maybe so, but I really doubt it. Prophets can't indulge in luxuries like that.

DGKloost

Clinton was in office at the time.  The Trump video is 11 years old and some are saying it may have been doctored . 

These last hour magnified outcries against especially Republican candidates are to be expected. 

Trump is lacking many basic qualities we wish he had, but I think we have to remember we are not choosing a minister for our congregation.  To some extent the commander-in-chief is going to resemble his electorate.  I am not that optimistic about the moral standards of the general public.  

All the rest of the contenders dropped out of the race.  No one else has even a reasonable percentage of supporters so why would everyone immediately vote for a better choice if Trump steps down?  Chaos will ensue if he steps down now and Hillary will win for sure.

Steve SoCal

Fatsmontana:  Where do you get such information about these many allegations against Trump?  And, if they exist, have any been brought to court and proven?  I'm not saying it's true or false, I just wonder where you get your facts to make such serious accusations.

William 1958

Bryan Fisher of American Family Association says "[vote for Trump] because there is a country to save for our children and grandchildren."

Eileen

Thank you so much for this article.  I appreciate the godly way inwhich World does things.  You definitely have my support.  After reading Erick Erickson's piece about the candidates, Reconsidering My Opposition to Trump, I've been strongly leaning in the direction of writing in a candidate rather than voting for Trump.  http://theresurgent.com/coming-to-terms-with-trump/I

You just mentioned that you don't endorse candidates, but maybe you would like to look at the link and possibly give your readers, information about the write-in candidate that Erick Erickson just showed support for: http://theresurgent.com/i-just-donated-to-evan-mcmullin-for-president/

 

greatjoy92

We don't need a new Republican candidate. There are other candidates in the race already, from third parties. Gary Johnson, of the Libretarian party, actually has a shot if enough people will give him a chance. He stands for freedom, small government, and the Constitution. This could be the year that enough people get fed-up with the terrible candidates our two-party system keeps feeding us. Let's elect a third party!

Kiwi

So many people simply haven't heard of Thomas Hoefling of America's Party.  He has overcome the hurdles to qualify as a write-in in Ohio and many other states, covering 87% of the electoral college.  A vote for him will be counted, and will count against both Trump and Clinton.  America is not well served by the false binary choice of the lesser of the two evils every four years.  So many will vote only out of their fear of Clinton. They fail to consider Trump's practice of turning against and destroying any person or group that he feels has turned against him - he would turn against christians if elected, and if he felt anything less than absolute loyalty coming from them. I will be writing in Tom Hoefling for President and Steve Schulin for Vice President

EKR5734

Even Dennis Prager is talking about the article "Unfit for Power"...and not in a positive way! I had a well thought out response and my computer decided to reconfigure/update before I finished and I lost it all :(   Anyway, no vote for Trump IS a vote for Hillary. While in office, serving us, I might add, she has been a liar, thief, manipulator, selfish, acvocate for death of the unborn child in the womb, is NO respecter of Christians, double standard queen, looks out for her own self interests, takes $ for personal gain from middle eastern countries where human atrocities abound because of the pagan, wicked governmnets....but she has no qualms about that. She is a flip flopper-she previously was a "strong"supporter of traditional marriage -insert eye roll-what happened there ? You at least KNOW what you are getting with Hillary-and it isn't good.  Fellow Christian voters, think beyond Donald Trumps abrasive personality to the big picture.  The appointment of supreme court justices, freedom of religion and speech, upholding the constitution, protecting our country from Isis, and all this entails for the future of our children and grandchildren living in this country!!  Life as we know it/knew it is erroding quickly! We need to be in deep prayer for the sins of our nation and this election.  That our choices for POTUS are this abysmal should come as no great surprise.  Our government has promoted a secular worldview that has eliminated God from every area and we as christians have sat back and let them....God have mercy on us.

fatsmontana

John B - I respectfully disagree. WORLD's job is to provide commentary from a Christian worldview...not a strategy on how to defeat Democrats. From a political perspective (the us vs them theology) it might make sense to vote for Trump, but there is no "vote against" button in the polling booth and from a Christian perspective I see no biblical defense on why to support somebody who we are warned clearly to avoid in the Bible. 

At the end of the day, Trump and Clinton are the same person: both support planned parenthood, both support Gay Rights, Both support punishing NC for trying to protect kids from the Trans issue.  I have yet to see an issue where Christians should be up in arms for Trump.  

 

JOHN B STONE DMIN

I love Jesus. I respectfully disagree with you. Read Eric Metaxas Wall Street Journal and see why-Metaxas articulates exactly my sentiments. Furthermore, your hit article only helps the Clinton Cabal.

JOHN B STONE DMIN

Thanks, I respectfully disagree, and I love Jesus.  There's no argument on earth that will convince me that a candidate who has won all the primaries has huge attended rallies, and who has a list of conservative judges lined up for the Supremes and who looks and acts like a fighter, who i snot a member of the establishment should drop out-I can hear the cheers already in the Clinton Cabal-which you seem to be supporting by this article. I am not ashamed to have my name seen either as some apparently are.  I suggest you review Eric Metaxas essay in the Wall Street Journal.  

 

 

fatsmontana

phillipw:  Thank you for your conviction!

Freshfaith

World is out of line and promoting Hilary by default. Asking Donald Trump and the Hillary and Bill team to resign would be balanced. Hillary and Bill are package, and together they are just as hideous as Donald Trump. Neither candidates are concerned about Christian faith or morality. World is out of line and promoting Hilary by default, something is not right about this picture.

LKU5759

Thank you so much for this courageous stand. Carol Kurlowich

Florida Cracker

Mr. Peck, thank you for your comment. I think the diffrerence between us is that you are sold out for Trump, and I am not  For me the choice between candidates this year is the worst of my lifetime. But again you dirfference with me is that, while I had a different perspective from World's, I did not say I was  for Trump - not that my being for or against Trump will have the slightest difference. 

William 1958

@Charles - correct ! World harrumphs that God couldn't use Trump !

William 1958

@Brendan - that's a tough question. But what you're actually saying is a sinner cannot be President. Plus you never actually address what I say.

William 1958

@TimJohn - totally agree. World has gone of the deep end, clutching their pearls.

William 1958

@phillipW - if the leaders are corrupt, how will the children learn ? I think you should read a bit about "The Frankfurt School."

William 1958

@Trig52 - well said.

Steve Shive

Thanks Brendan. Good thoughts. I guess Trump is a polarizing influence! What I like about Mr Olasky's aritcle is that he made a stand. He defended it. It did it in good conscience. There are others who will, and have, dissent from this. To throw stones at him is silly. There is not perfect answer to this dilemma. But one pretty close to that is trusting God as we make the best most informed choices we can. "Informed" isn't always, often?, gleaned from the pages of any periodical. But God's Word would qualify. Thanks for that reminder. I often like to read and re-read 1 Kings 22: 19 and following. There is much that goes on in the heavenlies beyond our understanding and comprehension. Trump and Clinton (any of them) are barely ants in the big picture. Maybe molecules?

William 1958

@Isabel - very good.

nevertheless

You, by making this judgement, at this particular time just weeks prior to the election, are making a very serious error.

 

isabellarcher

Vince Foster.  Does anyone remember him?  World might want to dig into that story.  

Whitewater. There's another one I've been waiting to see resurrected. 

If you can find the time to focus on ELEVEN year old stupid Trump words, could you look into these two unsettled items?

There's a lot more there than mere words and go back even farther than 11 years!  

 

Steve SoCal

It does seem like "World" should take the same position on Hillary Clinton based on her e-mail scandal and destruction of evidence, her dishonesty about Benghazi, the issues about the Clinton Foundation, etc.  And that is not to mention her pushing of abortion and other progressive amoral issues.  Certainly these are also morally reprehensible, signs of very poor judgment and poor integrity, and they must undermine her fitness for the office of president every bit as much as Trump's vulgarity.

Hillary is running for president, not Bill, and so the same standards should apply to her... not just to him.

As I wrote earlier, I think the magazine's decision may be the right one, but shouldn't it be applied evenly?  Otherwise it does come across as taking sides when both sides are similarly unfit.

Robyn Candell

Thank you for finally taking a stand.  

Brendan Bossard

Some thoughts:

1.  Congratulations, Mr. Olasky!  You have just hit the comment jackpot!

2.  Those who are most critical of Mr. Olasky and WORLD are grasping what they believe to be the last shreds of their earthly kingdom with a death-grip.  They are frightened.  They are so desperate that they will call wisdom foolishness, and accuse those who dare not cast their lot with a reprobate of abetting evil.  Set your sights on Heaven, brethren, and cry out to God!

3.  There are those who despair.  Well, I feel the same way, too, sometimes.  Then I remember that when Elijah felt like he was the only one zealous for God in a pagan, persecuting land, God took him to Mount Horeb and said in a whisper--after a grand show of earthquake and fireworks--that God would turn Israel topsy-turvy through Elijah's hand.  And, by the way, there were seven thousand other like-minded people in Israel.  Still a minority in the eyes of the Israelite Census Bureau, but good heavens, what a crowd in God's hands! (And don't forget the angels that encircle us!)

4.  "Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers. The wicked are not so, but are like chaff that the wind drives away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous; for the LORD knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish." (Psalms 1:1-6, ESV2011)

5.  God is separating wheat from tares.

6.  "When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command the locust to devour the land, or send pestilence among my people, if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land." (2 Chronicles 7:13-14, ESV2011)

SWIL1259

I respect your thinking and reasoning, but respectfully disagree with your conclusion that calling for President Clinton's resignation demands you do the same regarding Donald Trump's candidacy.  While I'm disgusted with Trumps braggadocious words, I think there is a difference between a sitting president who is proven to be a sexual predator in the Oval Office, and someone who made a boast over a decade earlier.  If we see a trail of women who confirm what the video tape implies about Donald Trump's actions as we clearly did Bill Clinton's, I would wholeheartedly agree with calling for him to step aside.  There are claims of his conversions both spiritually and politically/ideologically since he uttered those words.  Do we not give a person a chance to show a change in behavior?  I'm sorry, but for me, when it comes to trusting leadership on such important critical issues in our government, I trust Mr. Trump far more than I can trust Hillary, and not voting against her in a meaningful way is a vote for her to become the nation's most powerful leader.  Frankly, I'll trust my own instincts on the matter. 

Brendan Bossard

You haven't answered the question - "How do you square voting to nominate Trump with God's Word?"

NWI3378

Romans 12:21 teaches us to overcome evil with good. It appears that we have been presented by our political leading parties candidates that do not represent good, but evil. Trump has been presented as an alternative to Clinton's evil policies and positions, but he does not represent the good.

What many of us find most offensive in Clinton is her support of abortion. But let us keep in mind that the best way to prevent abortion is to not have sex and that certainly is not an attitude that Trump supports.

So here is the challenge: between now and November 8th let’s all stop talking, debating and campaigning for our favorite candidate and aggressively seek God.Let us lay down our opinions at the cross and ask Him to direct us how to vote. Our God may direct millions of us to even write in the name of the best person to lead our county. If the Holy Spirit directs the campaign then it will be successful.

Brendan Bossard

You are absolutely correct; but we Christians, the salt, are even more at fault.  Too many of us voted to nominate Trump of all the Republican candidates.

Wilebo

World Magazine stands out from all other sources. The fact is the usual media is playing both sides against the middle. Reminds me of a story line from "That Hideous Strength" by C.S. Lewis. Thank you World for telling us what we need to hear. 

William 1958

@Elaine - 100% correct.

William 1958

@Florida - the article at the link doesn't discuss anything specific about Trump, it's all by innuendo. Yes, I listened to the tape, but this article is just "blah blah blah Trump's a horrible person"

Paul B. Taylor

Trump now has to realize that only Jesus is the mediator between God and man.  If he accepts, by the grace of God, faith in Christ and justification that can only come through that faith, he will be an even more venerable candidate.  Let Donald Trump open his literal interpretation of the Bible from the original Greek and Hebrew texts and seek to find peace: both his own and our great nation's.  Then a real revival of the Gospel might start.  Let him pray. Let us pray because the result of a Clinton presidency or a Clinton withdrawal leading to a possible Sanders' victory would mean a nation without the light of Christ and the resulting evil of such of an America.  

Or Pasarilla

Thank you for not falling to the false choice of the lesser of two evils, while encouraging us all to stand against evil, no matter which side of the aisle it originates. We are reaping what our culture has been sowing for decades. Both the Democratic and Republican party candidates show themselves to be lawless and immoral - Mrs. Clinton's behavior is worthy of a sincere crimanl prosecution for her destruciton of emails (and that's just one lawless act), whille Mr. Trump is the personification of sexual unfaithfulness and a willingness to do whatever is necessary to promote himself (and to have his way with women). God have mercy. I would rejoice if Trump moved aside for someone else, presumably his running mate. But barring that miracle, may the Lord give us grace to stand faithful under the chastening hand of God.

Hawaiicharles

I applaud World for taking a stand, though I would say it came far too late.  I frankly don't understand why so many people are up in arms about the 2005 recording.  For me, it's a comparitively minor item in the long list of character flaws that make Mr. Trump unfit for the office of president.  Far more important are his complete lack of impulse control, lack of respect for human dignity, juvenile attitude toward criticism (even the constructive kind) and, certainly not least, a demonstrated lack of understanding about the important political and cultural issues that a president needs to address.  All of those problems were readily apparent more than a year ago.

On a side note, thanks very much to several other commenters to mentioned Tom Hoefling.  I had not neard his name until today.  World could have done a great service to its readers by reporting on him, and was as Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party.

 

tavo

Character matters about Hillary too.

HRO5913

I do not agree with you...very strongly I do agree.  I have been a World subscriber for at least 20 years and will not cancel, however, please consider what you are saying because is a criminal more moral than an adulter?  And with the criminal entering the White House, along would come a big time adulter.  

 

Florida Cracker

Trump talks and acts dirty.

https://justacurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2016/10/trump-talks-dirty-and-worse.html

tavo

You are setting yourselves as moral judges between Hillary Clinton's and Donald Trump's actions.

VSKluth

Might have been best if the article weren't written.  WND is stuck on the horns of a self-induced dilemma.  Applying previous verdicts to a sitting President with clear, provable violations to a Presidential candidate with highly likely and plausible violations - and one excluding a verdict against clear, provable but unprosecuted violations by the other candidate - raises more issues than comforts.  American Christian interests are broader than our leaders' marital infidelity and lewd behavior.  Daniel records a vision where God "setteth up over [the kingdom of men] the basest of men" (Dan 4:17).  We shouldn't be surprised that we have debased leaders, and noble men like Ted Cruz are villified. Peter wrote that "prayers ... be made for all men; for kings and for all that are in authority, that WE may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty."  Which candidate will better enable those conditions?

ThieuTiet

Hi Dr. O, I love your balanced & just take on the issue w/ candidates' choice, especially your ending. Your eloquent words of acknowledging God's sovereignty w/ praise included are much better than the common "whatever it is God's in control."

It's much easier for me to "look the other way" & vote for Trump along w/ the logic of Supreme Court justice appointment. BUT, just as you said: do we trust that Trump will keep his words. Also, does he remember what his words were, on what issue? Being influenced & swayed by so many political winds.

Here's my question, if any reader here can answer (Is this my political naïveté, or is it doable): Why do we have to restrict ourselves by 2 parties? Especially while we vocally are against it & bemoaning about it?

If we don't like the 2 party system, why not break the mold when opportunity presents itself right now?

Enough people on both sides are repulsed of their party's candidates. If many Republicans vote for Trump to avoid a Jezabel of a Clinton, then why can't we pool our votes together for ONE minor party candidates? Joining force to upset the dissatisfied & compromising voters!

Why can't we do that?

All we need are: 1/ to agree on ONE party w/ a constitutional platform, w/ respected candidates. For me I support Darrell Castle & Scott Bradley of the Constitution Party, but I also heard of Evan McMullin.

2/ Someone to head this. Someone w/ a political activist's savvy, yet w/ above reproach character who habitually practices Eph 4:29 in speaking & writing (let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good ... that it may impart grace to the hearers), not easily given to anger.

It may look improbable, but is it impossible?

How impossible did it look for a sea to part just by someone raising a hand over it? Or by mere marching around a city wall & tooting their horns for it to fall? Or dipping in a dirty water to wash off leprosy? Or feeding 5000 w/ some fish & a few loaves of bread? Or losing life to gain it?

To practice 2 Chronical 7:14 "If My people called by My name humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, ... and heal their land," musn't we humble ourselves & turn from our wicked ways first? Could leaning on our own understanding, as we are warned not to, be considered wicked? Isn't our reasoning of "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Hillary" an absurd logic for God fearing people, and thus not pleasing to Him?

****Then, isn't this the time for God's people to show that we truly trust in God, set our own logic aside & watch Him do the impossible?!**** 

Just as you said He might not deliver us from this political mess, but at least we obey and NOT lean on our own political reasoning, as we have been for so long!

 

 

BBowen

I couldn't agree more. During the Clinton years we said that character matters. If we support Trump today, we forfiet the right to ever say it again.

William 1958

@Nick - very good, totally agree. Plus World is out of their league with this, and walking out in the 4th quarter.

LAB

Me too!

Gov. Pence is the only one at the top of the ticket that is a  follower of Christ. 

President of a 50-50 Senate could be a believer!

William 1958

Amen, @shawnskey.

Stephen Ford

I do not concur with the idea that any candidate vetted and nominated by the political parties should step aside.  In this era where lies travel faster around the world than truth, we see the liberal/progressive hydra of candidates and their “news” allies for what they are.
Yes, Donald Trump is imperfect as are we all.  I saw Herman Cain pilloried for far less than what impeached former president William Jefferson Clinton did.
Donald Trump would be so much better for this nation that Hillary would - not for himself but who he would bring to his administration, nominate for the Supreme Court and other Federal courts, and how he would chnage the way we do business with the nations of the world..    

William 1958

@World - you are an absolutely great resource that I have come to know and love. The World and Everything in it are a mainstay for me and my wife. I took the Marvin Olasky challenge and ditched Fox News, and my "knowledge base" - by focusing on World for news and commentary - increased dramatically. Not to mention a lowering of my blood pressure.

But as I heard John Lennox say - "even an expert, outside of his field, is as dumb as the next guy." So, despite your esteemed credentials, you are out of your league in this Trump dis-endorsement. You have no more "insight" into what's right than me or any other of our readers. You have done a grave disservice to your readership and to America. As I earlier mentioned, you have usurped God's hand in Donald Trump and our nation, walking off the field because you're insulted. And all because the Washington Post, CNN, and the NYT raised their eyebrows at "the right".

"Giving up" doesn't seem to be a biblical response. We'll be 50 years in the hole with Hillary - Obamacare ===> single payer, open borders, abortion, "bake me a cake", etc. etc.

And STILL - World Magazine can't answer the question - "Why did Trump win the Republican Primary?" Marvin Olasky puts all of the brouhaha in context, but even Mr. Belz can't see it, and then gets chastened by Mike Huckabee for wrongly lamenting "Where are the Christian leaders?"

I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers. But "Hallelujah" is not the proper response for ushering in 8 years of Hillary Clinton.

 

D Squier

Please note, he was sorry for his actions. Same as David three thousand years ago. Do we believe he has changed since then? We cannot really know.

And then there is Hillary who denies anyone was hurt by her tragic actions with HER email server, at least not yet, maybe.

One of these will be elected, should not we take our responsibility serious?

AJO3681

My vote will be for Mike Pence.

Lowell W

Excellent point Nick.

phillipW

Your response to this article is exhibit A for why America is in such moral shambles.  You'll excuse any morally reprehensible behavior if it suits your needs.  I don't read anywhere where World was excusing Clinton's behavior, but sin has consequences.  Trump's sins demand consequences.  Stop flipping the argument to suit your desires.  I think we are long past the time of excusing bad behavior in our leaders just because the other guy is worse.  They need to be held accountable; all of them.  But please stop insulting my intelligence by giving Trump a pass for this.  It's beyond contemptible at the minimum and he should be disqualified from ANY leadership position, ANYWHERE.

phillipW

Are you excusing his overtly deplorable sexual misconduct and using it as a weapon against Clinton?  To quote my kindergarten teacher, "two wrongs don't make a right."  Stay on point, stay focused and on target here.

HELENE

Agreed completely!

isabellarcher

Absolutely.  The reaction to his dumb comments is confounding considering the disgusting culture in which we live. I just cannot get over the irony and stupidity that people who were willing to support (or at least not campaign against) Trump the casino/strip club, beauty pageant owner,  eminent domain fan, yet not the Trump dirty talker.  It makes my head swim, it is so absurd.

We live in a society that is not great, one that brainwashes children into all forms of perversity and hatred.  I want to see World and other Christian media outlets go up against the porn culture, mercilessly.  The human trafficing culture.  Incessantly, week after week, pursuing those who are doing this. 

To do this means going up against more than what they want to do.  Because it is everywhere.  Everywhere.

 

 

 

 

Kiwi

Tom Hoefling of America's Party is qualified as a write in in California.  He is a believer and a principled, pro-life candidate.  His running mate is Steve Schulin.  The website to learn more about them is selfgovernment.us

SweetHarmony

As a 'millennial' and avid reader of World Magazine since childhood, I want to say a thousand THANK YOU'S for writing this column!! I have been shocked and appalled to see so many Christians defending Trump this last year. It's especially been grevious since this last tape came out - I've been hearing Christians compare Trump to King David (there is no comparison, as Trump has not even apologized for his comments - he only apologized that people were offended by them!). I've also been hearing Christians - some of whom I deeply respect - argue that the women Trump is around are seeking that type of attention, and thus what he bragged about doing is not sexual assault. As someone who has been sexually assaulted, the idea that evangelicals are actively promoting the idea of 'she asked for it,' simply sickens me. I'm so thankful that World Magazine has taken a stand. It gives me hope, and helps stem the intense disillusionment that I and many of my generation are feeling about the state of our evangelical leaders - many whom we were raised listening to and respecting. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And thank you for so consistently speaking out about anything in regards to sexual assault, human trafficking, etc. You actually put your journalism where your mouth is, so to speak.

William 1958

100% correct Xion. See my comments this morning.

 

gndgirl

I agree. This seems like a business decision. I have great respect for World Magazine, but this makes me sick. I will vote for Trump, because he is the only choice if we want to stop Hillary, who is much, much worse.

GEORGE A DAMOFF

Well-stated.  I concur.  Praying God's mercy on our nation as His church is called to lead in repentance in every sphere.

Last night in a gathering of Christians in our home we had friends, Peter and Phoebe, from Uganda with us.  They shared about the dismal state of the federal government in their land a decade ago and how the Church responded with repentance in fasting and much prayer.  Inspite of corrupt politicians and judges, the nation was transformed and continues to the present to thrive in the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Their testimony made clear that the ballot box was not the means by which God saves!  After they shared, we gathered around them to pray fro them and their ministry.  Then Peter prayed for us!  It came with power as he cried out to God to give the church in the US the wisdom recently displayed in his nation of Uganda.  May our God mightly answer his cry!

Sojourner For Now

HeJets, I strongly disagree with your statement that by voting for Trump you will be on the "right side" of the battle.  But more importantly, I greatly enjoyed reading your comment on how one believer can strongly disagree with other believers and not try to destroy the other believer (the brother [or sister] for whom Christ died. 1 Cor 8:11).  

To be fair, this attitude of boldness together with humility (this is how I would describe your comment), should be more common than it currently is by BOTH sides of this argument.  I was a #NeverTrump during the primary, recently contemplated voting for him purely for the SCOTUS appointment(s), and then concluded my conscience would not permit me to vote for him.  At the same time, I understand that many Christians believe that - even HRC aside - he is the best option because he is so anti-establishment.  Then you add in HRC and it becomes a no-brainer (to many believers, but not all believers) to vote Trump.  

Your comment is a great "How To" on disagreeing like a mature believer.  Thanks!

Kiwi

Or, you could write in Thomas Hoefling so your vote would be counted, he is a follower of Jesus, and running for America's Party.

 

Kiwi

Thomas Hoefling of America's Party is a principled follower of Jesus, and is qualified as a write in in many states.

Rick O

Marvin excellent article. We know God is in control and His will shall be done! Trump was number 17 on my list of Republican candidates. I cringe during the debates when Clinton and Trump trade insults. Total embarrassment to what America has settled for this election!  Is there really a lesser of two evils I'm God's eyes? Thanks for taking a bold stand!

William 1958

@World - your analysis will likely be on MSNBC and CNN - do you have interviews lined up ? The MSM love people like you guys. This is Yuuge for Hillary - even the evangelicals step aside.

Sun shine

I am puzzled as to why we are shocked by Trump's comments.  Has not his character over time already shown his opinions of women?  We live in a culture that says that women are not different from men.  50 Shades of Grey sold millions of copies and has been read, and liked, by most women I know.  Pornography is at an all time high.  Why are we shocked by Trumps comments when the same attitude and verbage is used in movies, facebook, liturature (if you can call it that), TV and internet?   

Gwb

An excellent treatment of the complexity of this presidential election and the character of Donald Trump.  I have never been a fan of Trump, but early on I saw him as a less damaging choice than Hillary Clinton.  He has disappointed over and over again.  I am pretty sure that I will write in "Jesus" when I go to the polls. Regardless of who wins, Jesus is still Lord!

William 1958

@Marvin - you of (shed) Communist heritage and historical genius (and perspective), have gone off the deep end. I suspect Mr. Belz forced you to do this.

I skimmed the article and will have more to say later. 

But off the top - - - 

- a flawed candidate is not the same as an evil candidate

- you have agreed that the media is the arbiter of all things, especially the NYT

- you're a bunch of hypocrites to back out at the last minute - exactly what did you learn about Trump from this video. NOTHING ! But you did learn a lot about the media and the Republican Party.

- you have seen the blood of the innocents and yet have laid down your arms to usher in a butcher

- YOU have decided that God doesn't have a plan for America through Donald Trump - thus self-anointing yourself a prophet

- the blood of our military will also be on your head. As the father of an Army Captain (promotable), this becomes crystal clear on the gravity of having Hillary Clinton as a POS POTUS.

- I suggest the esteemed Mr. Belz and historian Marvin Olasky watch this video by Mike Cernovich. I will summarize this later.

- where is your article on the unfitness of Hillary Clinton ? On a scale of 1 to 100 for the good of America, where do you rate each of these candidates ?

- The Trump Train is simply the Tea Party - God fearing, fiscally conservative, Patriots, who are sick of the oligarchy. Treason is the best way to describe the Repulican Party, yet Trump is the problem ?

- There are a lot of people laughing at your running skeered away from Trump, to name a few: a) the left, and b) yeah, the devil. They are LAO because you are a moral wimp.

I am so disappointed in this that I am beside myself. 

When the enemy is coming over the hill, I could care less if the sheriff has been married multiple times or said some bad things about a woman. I want him to just stop the enemy.

 

Elaine

It was not even-handed.  Dr. Olasky neglected to also call for the resignation from the Democrat ticket by a woman who is demonstrably motivated by pure evil.  When he does that, then the article will be considered "even-handed".  Though at this late date it seems this article is more like 'piling on' than anything else.

Elaine

Absolutely agree!!!!!  Trump is a terrible candidate, Hillary is a purely evil candidate.  If he goes, why in the WORLD would her resignation not also be called for?

 

Elaine

I am a complete supporter of World Mag but calling only for Trump to resign is ridiculous.  Clinton is far more wicked, criminal and unfit to serve as president.  Where is World's call for her to resign from the Democrat ticket?????

BjW

Mr. Trump's words were awful once again. Mrs. Clinton's actions were criminal. I will be voting for the candidate who is the least deplorable. Right now that is Mr. Trump, hands down. But I am waiting until Tuesday Nov. 8 to vote, because anything and everything is possible

Perhaps someone can explain to me how the Democrats have stood behind Mrs. Clinton, who is downright evil. But the Republicans abandon Mr. Trump, who has always bragged about his character. That is why I did not support Mr. Trump in the primary, but will support the Republican nominee Nov. 8. For me the choice is clear, Republican vs Democrat. 

Mr. Trump's character is similar to Presidents Clinton, Kennedy, and Johnson and many more powerful people. I tossed my rose colored glasses a long time ago. 

Let us all pray. Whenever I am confused as how to pray, I slowly sing my revised version of the Lord's Prayer: Our Father in heaven, holy holy are you. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, only what I need to live today. Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory. For ever and EVER. AMEN. 

I have been praying thus exceedingly. 

 

 

AWI3173

Thank-you.

Steve Shive

Thank you for this. I appreciate your perspective and cogent commentary. When you referred to possible fallout against you and/or World I thought, "For what?" Then I read the comments. Of course. Many of the dissenting comments call you out for something you should have said or someone you should or shouldn't have mentioned or taken to task. Then I re-read your editorial and there it is. You covered many of the obvious possible objections. Of course you weren't writing a book. You can't cover every possible person, 3rd party candidate, eventuality. And of course you do report on others.

Again, I appreciate your editorial Mr Olasky. There is no flaw. to our reasoning. And I do see you taking the moral high ground in this. But you have doen it in a humble way. But, I do want to comment that I saw references in comments that this is what we have because God has alllowed us to have TWO very flawed major party candidates. This seems to be a perspective that this is God's doing and we must accept it?! The very existence of something that is very flawed is not an argument that somehow God is responsible. Or that somehow makes our response different. Sometimes enough is enough! There are too many obvious examples of how this cannot and has never been true. We are to fight some of these supposed God allowed heinous movements or people. Fill in the blank about countless current and many many historial atrocities.

Thank you for this excellent and thought provoking editorial. I accept it as face value and will continue to pray for God's will to be done "as in heaven also on earth."

Xion

I respect Marvin Olasky, but it is clear that what we have here is a business decision, not a moral one.  Republicans are removing their public support in droves in an effort to leave the sinking ship.  Fine, but call it what it is.  It is fickle self-preservation.  Satan is the ruler of this evil world, but according to Marvin's logic only choir directors are fit to lead.  Patton was a foul mouthed, self-aggrandizing prima donna, but he was suited to the task at hand.  So was MacArthur, but Marvin would call them unfit for power.  If I were under seige in Bastogne in 1944, who would I want in charge, Patton or Marvin?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton%27s_speech_to_the_Third_Army

Lizzy

What values is it that you see Trump as holding that are in any way genuine and reverant toward the values that made America great?  Trump over the course of this campaign has made it clear that he neither knows nor cares about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or a society based on Judeo Christian beliefs. He is a big government statist who has praised totalitarian regimes over our own. 

We are electing a chief executive officer for the country, not a king.  Neither major party candidate has shown even one particle of fitness for the office and the fact that we are in this mess can be laid squarely to blame on the American people who have chosen bread and circuses over substance.  From where I sit, it really doesn't matter whether Clinton wins or Trump wins.  Either way the loser will be the American people - they just apparently haven't all woken up to that fact yet. 

NKE8903

Boy, the pharasaical sanctimony is getting thick here. When have we held presidents to this kind of pedestal purity standard? What historical president would meet this evangelical ideal? GW Bush- with his wars and compromises? Clinton? HW Bush was too liberal and broomed out. Reagan- he was an actor and divorced. Carter was to weak a leader and universally dspised by the end of his term. Ford? Nixon- hmmm? LBJ? Kennedy? We are getting pretty deep back here. How about Washington? He was a flirt, an elitist, lost a lot of battles, Congress came close to replacing him several times. Jefferson- his religion has been debated for centuries, Adams- incipient Unitarianism, stomped on the 1st Amendment. Andrew Jackson- killed men, potential bigamist, autocratic style, spoils system, Lincoln-  instigated a war that killed 600,000 Americans, suspended the Constitution, ruled without a Congressional quorum, tried to imprison the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, extreme marrital stresses, political opportunist. So who would meet this new standard of evangelical purity and be able to lead this nation? This high handed treatment of Trump sends a message to thse who identify with him and his less than polished style- do not apply for grace at our church if you ever used "such language: as gives Victorian spinsters the vapors, you are unclean and there is no mercy for you here! It reeks of country club elitism against the vulgar mob and the great unwashed that put Trump in place according to the rules and supported him while the elites pooh poohed him and those that chose him. This new standard seems awfully conveninent and tilts toward a Hillary victory. Hillary is Evil at a biblical level of corruption, anti-life, anti Christian, and done far worse things than Trump has even talked about, and abetted her husband's predatory behavior. Trump has never been legitamately accused of any of the things he talked about wanting to do. He has apologized, where is his forgiveness? His is repentant.. Where is his grace? Where are the evangelical leaders to come alongside him to help him like they tried for Clinton? Oh no- he's not "good" enough for the dainty new party.

K Scott

I am a Christian, a conservative, and a recovered victim of rape. Also, I supported recovering victims of sexual assault and sexual abuse for over forty years. So, I speak not only for myself, but also for countless other victims of these horrendous crimes. Thank you from the core of my being and the depth of my heart for standing up for us. It is about time this country seriously acknowledges the trauma and degradation perpetrated against victims, both by attitudes and actions.

Needless to say, I do not believe Donald Trump or Hillary (and Bill) Clinton should be given the honor of residing in our White House. Whether apologies have been spoken or not, there are consequences which cannot be ignored. 

I am grateful that you have taken this courageous stand, while acknowledging great risks: to yourselves, to the outcome of the election, and to the future of our country. As followers of Christ, we are responsible for obedience, not results. Obedience to our righteous God and what He requires of us is primary. All else is secondary. May we rest in the knowledge and the truth that He is sovereign and He is enough. May God have mercy on our nation, and may He protect and honor His obedient remnant. Stand firm and be at peace. 

Kay Scott, author of Sexual Assault: Will I Ever Feel Okay Again? (Baker Publishing Group/ Bethany House 1993)

 

 

Yje2165

I´d suspect that if virtually any presidential candidate during our lifetime had to undergo the scrutiny of the world of 2016 (internet, ubiquitous cameras, zero respect for privacy, a media that has turned into a mob against Mr. Trump,  etc.)....I´d suspect that every one of those past candidates would suffer "revelations" similar to what has been revealed about Donald Trump. Not only past presidential canditates, but most of us here would be in trouble if we had the lens on us for all these years as had Trump.  Though I´m sure WORLD´S editors voted in elections of the past, and I´m sure WORLD´s editors don´t jettison friends because of a colorful past. 

Donald Trump is a good man with a big mouth.  We´ve all had friends like him.  They´re a pain in the butt, but when it´s money time, they come through...and they´re very loyal.  Everybody who knows Trump personally  vouches for his character.

I read somewhere recently where WORLD does not endorse candidates.  But WORLD decides to, in effect, break that rule at a time when our nation is in a state of self immolation, where sin and tyranny are dominating, and growing.  Where if Clinton is elected the trend will continue at an even higher velocity.  Vexing.

Trump is far from perfect.  Trump carries huge risks.  But with the risk comes a high potential upside.  He is a fighter who is not under the spell of political correctness and thus is one in a million who has the guts to make the changes needed.  I also sense he is a man who seems to have been triggered by this campaign into growing spiritually and intellectually, a growth that could continue into a Trump presidency.

I´m going to hang with him.  He´s going up against the whole world, he has been treated more unfairly than any political candidate in history, ...it´s not even close.  But he keeps battling hard.  I respect that and have developed a respect for the man I did not have some months ago. 

It´s very disappointing that the one news source I´ve come to trust has made this decision.  I could see not voting for Trump, but to try and influence others to not vote for him, and thus elect a point person for all that is corrupt and  dirty in  America in 2016.....that´s almost unforgivable.

A horrible decision WORLD magazine.

Graced

Thank you for caring about how Trump's words affect millions of women who have experienced them in action.

DCal3000

Though I despise him, I may still vote for Trump in order to stop Clinton.  It doesn't matter anyway, because Clinton has already won, even if Trump steps aside (keep in mind thousands and thousands of votes have already been cast).  That said, I appreciate WORLD's even-handed approach here and think this column reflects well on Dr. Olasky and WORLD.  In other words, this column is good leadership.  It is a far-cry from the Gospel Coalition column that appeared in the Washington Post over the weekend, in which Russell Moore and Collin Hansen got together to make fun of their own laypeople who were voting for Trump and to gleefully dance on the grave of the Christian Right (which, since they didn't define the term "Christian Right," must have appeared to the Washington Post audience to encompass all politically-involved evangelicals, including WORLD Magazine's readers). 

isabellarcher

Of course Trump is unfit, as is Hillary Clinton. I will not vote for either one, but I still cannot see how this dumb audio tells us anything new about Trump. He owns a pageant and casinos.  Some of his casinos apparently house strip clubs. So, what makes these vulgar statements worse than his very public actions over the years?  I mean, gosh, his broad daylight ventures look pretty awful.  But it is 11 year old words that do him in?  

The moral of this story seems to be revel in immorality and give women a place to strut their sexuality for all to see, but for heaven's sake don't SAY aloud that those self objectifying women are something to objectify. Oh no, better praise their brains and revere them as, well, Mother Mary maybe. 

I agree with those wanting to see a like article about Clinton's unfitness. Also, a piece on why Bill Clinton should not for a second time be anywhere near the Oval Office. How embarrassing. 

How Twilight Zone is all of this. 

Karen K

Who knows what may happen between now and Election Day?  We do have one option to follow as we watch and consider what to do in our voting.  Prayer.  I have a plaque at home that says:  "Prayer changes things."   I can still pray to God to watch and step in as He is always in control. 

Pat Clermont Fl

If the video came out after you cast your ballot, would you try to recall it? WE are almost at that point.....no squeaky clean candidate....just one whose sinful thoughts became public and  is a person who needs the same rescue by our God that we have been afforded. Who knows the state of his soul before God...Maybe praying for him, praying for revival, praying for Christians to display to the world we are a forgiving all way to the cross; are believers who have the faith that even this man can do some good and even God's work. He is the one for now. Show  the strength of your faith...do not cower! We live in a culture of Beyoncé, JayZ, and Fifty Shades of Grey. Stop being shocked!!  Pence may become POTUS later...so many things could happen....we only know NOW and we need to deal with it at the voting booth. God is in control!!!

 

 

 

 

HeJets

I am disappointed to read this. Trump is not from the normal political grid we have grown up with. He is the rejection of it; the revolt from the Republican political (let alone the Dem's) machine and grossly corrupt and bloated federal government that is imploding more every month.

Giving up on the obvious candidate that desires to turn the country around from the direction and people that been uprooting this country's values from the Consitution on up....ugh....We may lose the election but, like fallen troops in battle, I will be on the right side of it.

Marvin, where was this sentiment a week ago and prior? We have all cringed at Friday's 'bus talk' but who can possibly be surprised? Whereas conservatives cringe at Trumps issues, we are angry at Hillary's. Whereas liberals cringe and deny at Hillary's issues, they are angry with Trump's. So what else is new? That news is decades old! With weeks left, now is not the time to feign a noble death-bed conversion.

Just because we may disagree on this matter does not mean I don't support World or won't read your columns like I have for years. I'll write this and press on to the next one. You are a good man, Charlie Brown. Just don't let Lucy (or Hillary) convince you to let her hold the football.

My last point is more foundational. You say that another candidate (perhaps Pence) could step in and, with God's willingness, that candidate could win this election. True. God is always in control. Our Father, however, has not retracted free will. This country is still in a long and willing free-fall from grace. On one hand, until there is a national repentance in the USA, that same USA would not even recognize that miracle let alone repent in the face of it. On the other hand, the real miracle would be that Trump would win in spite of his big and loud potty mouth.

Until next week, my brother, write on!

Joe M

King David had his future mistress' husband killed. He was a man after God's own heart. Trump bragged with words ten years ago. He is the potential "evangelical embarrassment"? The embarrassment is the voting purity tests, and the idea Christians as a block are obliged to vote or not vote for anybody. I am sorry Beth Moore was abused, but I fail to see how that is related to a man not accused of abusing anybody, and a man who apologized for a ten year old statement. Murderous kings can repent, I guess, even as they maintain their harems, but modern egotists can't. The sanctimony here may be unintentional, but it is still there. 

AFI7426

Thank you for the consistency and clarity - much appreciated!

Rich277

Thanks.

D Oliver

A dollar short and a day late ... unless we have a miracle.  I will stand with World.

Dale

Good for you for taking a stand and doing the right thing.  I am happier than ever to be a World supporter.

Sue Wilson

Thank you for this--a thousand thank you's! This truly sums it:  "We should not abandon our witness to the world that God is real: Glorifying God by honoring His standards is worth more than political gain." I hope and pray that to the contrary you gain readers and donors and know that God will bless your faithfulness!