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NICK EICHER, HOST: Good morning! This is The World and Everything in It from listener-supported WORLD Radio. I’m Nick Eicher.
MARY REICHARD, HOST: And I’m Mary Reichard.
The U.S. Senate has long been called the world’s greatest deliberative body—but these days, it’s not doing much of anything, let alone deliberating. WORLD commentator Hunter Baker says it’s time to change that.
HUNTER BAKER: For decades, we have watched nominees for high office face a 60-vote threshold in the U.S. Senate. Judges. Cabinet officials. Even legislation. The result is a government that often struggles to act—even in moments of urgency.
But if you go looking for that requirement in the Constitution, you will not find it.
Nearly two decades ago, the Senate eliminated the filibuster for nominations. That change made it easier for presidents—including Donald Trump—to fill key positions, including seats on the Supreme Court.
But for ordinary legislation, the 60-vote rule remains.
Republicans now hold the White House, the House of Representatives, and the Senate. But even with that alignment, they have struggled to pass major legislation. Because they do not have 60 votes.
Utah Senator Mike Lee, in an interview on the America First Legal podcast, says the problem is deeper than a procedural hurdle.
LEE: What I call the zombie filibuster is perhaps the single biggest impediment toward the Senate being able to act in a way that is responsive to the legitimate demands and expectations of the American people. … The status quo is untenable, where unless you can have 60 votes at the outset of anything, you can’t expect to pass it. That is untenable in this day and age. It just doesn’t work.
The filibuster is often defended as a tool of careful deliberation. A way to slow things down. To force consensus.
And in theory, that sounds right.
But in practice, the Senate today is not a chamber of extended debate. It is a chamber of predictable votes—where members line up with their party, and the 60-vote threshold functions less as a brake… and more as a blockade.
The result is a system where winning elections does not necessarily translate into governing.
Consider what it takes to achieve unified control of government.
When a party, such as the Republicans in 2024, wins the presidency, the House of Representatives, and the U.S. Senate, it has already run a gauntlet.
The House is purely based on population.
The Senate is based on equal representation by the states regardless of their population.
The President navigates the Electoral College.
The entire House is up for grabs every two years.
The President every four.
Senators serve six year staggered terms.
That means there is never more than 1/3 of the Senate exposed to the electorate every two years.
In addition, the three bodies have to work together to pass legislation.
When a party clears these hurdles, it has earned the opportunity to govern—and to be held accountable for the results.
But the 60-vote rule introduces yet another barrier.
It makes it harder not only to pass legislation—but to fix problems.
Presidents are judged by what they accomplish. Voters expect action.
But when legislation stalls, even under unified government, frustration builds—and midterm losses often follow.
So what is the alternative?
Some, like Senator Lee, do not argue for eliminating the filibuster entirely—but for restoring what it once was: a tool of real debate, not silent obstruction.
LEE: We can either, one, enforce the talking filibuster so that we make them actually work for it, make them speak if they want to filibuster, or alternatively, if we don't want to do that, then it's time to nuke it.
That is a stark choice.
Force senators to stand, speak, and defend their objections—or remove the barrier altogether.
Either way, the goal is the same: a Senate that actually works.
The Constitution already built a system with checks, balances, and competing interests. It is not easy to pass laws—and it was never meant to be.
But it was meant to be possible.
For WORLD, I’m Hunter Baker.
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