"After so much tumult under the Biden administration’s reckless disregard for America’s border”… it's a big beautiful blessing to have President Trump respecting our nation's sovereignty and restoring our border.
A most important facet of MAGA is Trump's right understanding that... "Related to the rule of law itself, borders safeguard order, which is a precondition for justice. Where there are no borders, there are no clear jurisdictions and no final authority to defer to when competing interests clash."
DJT says this over & over... loud & clear.
Thank God.
Walker's Biblical worldview stands opposed to “it takes a village” idiots and other bloviating globalists who abhor borders and seek to violate and/or vanquish them. Ungodly American socialists, George Soros, WEF, European Union, United Nations and other communistic "community developers" want to obliterate borders. To propagate their plans, they seek to incite wars to instigate mass migration that forces cultures into a giant blender that blurs "their own moral and cultural traditions."
Paul's sermon @ Acts 17 is powerful apologetic for God's good design to delineate "clear markers for differentiating between people and for safeguarding their languages, customs, and traditions."
Actually, Paul's sermon @ Acts 17 is anything BUT that. It's a message that God puts everyone in a time and place for the primary purpose that they find Him. He is not far from anyone, and His eyes run throughout the whole earth seeking the lost.
I once watched (youtube) a horrific speech by Bob Jones (the older one, from the 50s or so) trying to use that piece of Paul's sermon to justify blacks and whites having separate neighborhoods, schools, swimming pools, etc. What a racist blasphemy. I'm not saying *your* take goes there, but it's way too close for my comfort.
Below I gave some OTHER passages for consideration which would be more apropos, IMHO, for safeguarding borders.
Nothing I said-think comes anywhere close to finding comfort in Bob’s camp. I don’t find your verses compelling, compared to Acts 17, which we see differently. God is not far from anyone. And for God’s good reasons, “he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.” Acts 17:26
Don’t over think it… Paul is talking to pagan unbelievers & babblers, so he’s making a broad point & case for the “unknown God” and his total power over creation and people, everywhere. Paul’s point is God is there and he is sovereign… even making “every NATION” with “determined BOUNDARIES” where individual people dwell “in their dwelling place”… where they can seek God.
Paul is attesting to borders & “boundaries” that are way bigger than Israel’s walled villages with watchtowers. He’s appealing to gentile GREEKS in the ends of the earth w/ an apologetic that accounts for Greek national existence and positively affirms “their languages, customs, and traditions” as part of God’s good design.
we seem to agree that Paul's use of "boundaries" is larger than walls, yes! Quite obviously, God uses boundaries like seas and mountains... not artificially-drawn lines like "38th parallel" to determine where they live. Naturally we as His stewards can responsibly draw (and defend) our own borders where needed, as I suppose reasonable extensions of what He has done. Most commentaries back this interpretation and application.
pjp
If someone makes the case against borders, then move into their house/apartment without permission. Maybe then they will realize what borders are all about.
Tom Hanrahan
Kudos for good logic herein. I agree with all you said :)
But... the title is "Borders are Biblical". I expected a Scriptural treatise. I got one verse, and even that one in Acts 17 is a stretch to use for national borders, as the main thrust of Paul's exhortation is definitely *not* that point.
Just a few I suggest:
- As a principle, God set natural borders by telling the oceans "you only come this far"
- The angel guarded the Garden of Eden to prevent interlopers
- Most Biblical civs were more like city-states, and so they made Walls for borders. Classic example would be Nehemiah.
- Use of walls for protection is Biblically enjoined by the exhortation in Ezekiel that the watchman's role is to be on the border, yelling a warning if opponents are coming.
STEVE DOSSIN
Excellent points that relate to the African national borders set by colonial powers. Many tribes there should be made into nations of their own to avoid tribal battles within nations.
"After so much tumult under the Biden administration’s reckless disregard for America’s border”… it's a big beautiful blessing to have President Trump respecting our nation's sovereignty and restoring our border.
A most important facet of MAGA is Trump's right understanding that... "Related to the rule of law itself, borders safeguard order, which is a precondition for justice. Where there are no borders, there are no clear jurisdictions and no final authority to defer to when competing interests clash."
DJT says this over & over... loud & clear.
Thank God.
Trump is often loud, but never clear.
Walker's Biblical worldview stands opposed to “it takes a village” idiots and other bloviating globalists who abhor borders and seek to violate and/or vanquish them. Ungodly American socialists, George Soros, WEF, European Union, United Nations and other communistic "community developers" want to obliterate borders. To propagate their plans, they seek to incite wars to instigate mass migration that forces cultures into a giant blender that blurs "their own moral and cultural traditions."
Paul's sermon @ Acts 17 is powerful apologetic for God's good design to delineate "clear markers for differentiating between people and for safeguarding their languages, customs, and traditions."
Actually, Paul's sermon @ Acts 17 is anything BUT that. It's a message that God puts everyone in a time and place for the primary purpose that they find Him. He is not far from anyone, and His eyes run throughout the whole earth seeking the lost.
I once watched (youtube) a horrific speech by Bob Jones (the older one, from the 50s or so) trying to use that piece of Paul's sermon to justify blacks and whites having separate neighborhoods, schools, swimming pools, etc. What a racist blasphemy. I'm not saying *your* take goes there, but it's way too close for my comfort.
Below I gave some OTHER passages for consideration which would be more apropos, IMHO, for safeguarding borders.
Nothing I said-think comes anywhere close to finding comfort in Bob’s camp. I don’t find your verses compelling, compared to Acts 17, which we see differently. God is not far from anyone. And for God’s good reasons, “he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.” Acts 17:26
Don’t over think it… Paul is talking to pagan unbelievers & babblers, so he’s making a broad point & case for the “unknown God” and his total power over creation and people, everywhere. Paul’s point is God is there and he is sovereign… even making “every NATION” with “determined BOUNDARIES” where individual people dwell “in their dwelling place”… where they can seek God.
Paul is attesting to borders & “boundaries” that are way bigger than Israel’s walled villages with watchtowers. He’s appealing to gentile GREEKS in the ends of the earth w/ an apologetic that accounts for Greek national existence and positively affirms “their languages, customs, and traditions” as part of God’s good design.
we seem to agree that Paul's use of "boundaries" is larger than walls, yes! Quite obviously, God uses boundaries like seas and mountains... not artificially-drawn lines like "38th parallel" to determine where they live. Naturally we as His stewards can responsibly draw (and defend) our own borders where needed, as I suppose reasonable extensions of what He has done. Most commentaries back this interpretation and application.
If someone makes the case against borders, then move into their house/apartment without permission. Maybe then they will realize what borders are all about.
Kudos for good logic herein. I agree with all you said :)
But... the title is "Borders are Biblical". I expected a Scriptural treatise. I got one verse, and even that one in Acts 17 is a stretch to use for national borders, as the main thrust of Paul's exhortation is definitely *not* that point.
Just a few I suggest:
- As a principle, God set natural borders by telling the oceans "you only come this far"
- The angel guarded the Garden of Eden to prevent interlopers
- Most Biblical civs were more like city-states, and so they made Walls for borders. Classic example would be Nehemiah.
- Use of walls for protection is Biblically enjoined by the exhortation in Ezekiel that the watchman's role is to be on the border, yelling a warning if opponents are coming.
Excellent points that relate to the African national borders set by colonial powers. Many tribes there should be made into nations of their own to avoid tribal battles within nations.