As a physician who has done many refugee and immigration physicals and met amazing people in the process, I’m eager for our nation to again receive refugees from many countries. But with the huge backlog in paperwork for USCIS even before the Biden border catastrophe, I can understand a 3 month pause. I have met Afrikaaners (with work visas, not refugees) who fled their farms to avoid being murdered as their neighbors were. And as people who understand how democracy works, they assimilate well. I’ve also met Iraqis whose close relatives were dissolved in acid, Sudanese who chose swimming in crocodile-infested water to dodge bullets, Lhotsampa Bhutanese who were forced at gunpoint to leave Bhutan because they were ethnically Nepali, Somalis who saw family members knifed to death by insurgents. I wish the US could take all who qualify for refugee status, but it would easily probably quadruple our population. I haven’t heard of anyone else helping the Afrikaaners, and they are as deserving as the next refugee.
My problem is not accepting them; it's that we have slammed the door on the others, even those who were already vetted and approved, and then opened the door to these.
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This is so reminiscent of what happened in Zimbabwe. Julius Nyerere advised Mugabe to “protect your whites, because they will help your country.” Mugabe did for a time, but then allowed the “Wovets” (war veterans) to take over the land, leading to slaughter and the fall from Zimbabwe being a huge exporter of food to a failed state that cannot feed its own country. The wisdom of Nyerere and Mandela is being forgotten.
Is it not the height of prejudice to have such low expectations of African nations that we close our eyes to their atrocities against minority whites? I applaud Trump for receiving these threatened people.
Why are we closing our eyes to the atrocities everywhere else? I don't have a problem with opening our doors to suffering people. We should. I don't know the situation in South Africa. It may be just as is described. But why are we rejecting people from Sudan, from Afghanistan, from Haiti? Not just rejecting them, but sending them back! Why?
There are very few possible answers that don't begin and end with the word racism.
I certainly agree with you. How can we close the doors to Afghans, particularly those who are facing potential death or imprisonment for helping us? I believe we do need a secure border and a strong vetting process for entry into our country, but we still need to be an asylum for the persecuted.
Nah. This is racist. When you reject every other refugee, including many that were already "extreme-vetted" and approved, and then only open it up for white refugees, that's racist. Full stop.
If it barks like white supremacy, and walks like white supremacy...
Not to mention the high level of cruelty in turning away hurting refugees.
I'm not saying there's not a case to be made for South African refugees. But that's not why this is happening, when it's paired with the rejection of all others.
Dare you to go squat your white face on a farm @ South Africa and then come tell me: “Nah, this is racist.” Yeah, that’s what I thought.
There is no “rejection of all others”… Just closing borders, stopping illegals & enforcing existing laws after 4 years of unbridled Biden barking against American sovereignty.
Spit out the hook & take another look.
And yeah, I did take another look. Noem is lying about "Afghan stability," Trump is ending status for people from Haiti despite the fact that gangs run the country, etc.
The Afrikaners might well deserve refugee status. I could easily be convinced that they do. But there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that they deserve it more than people Trump and his administration are kicking to the curb, and the fact is that the Trump administration's refugee policies stink to high heaven of identity politics rather than a just view of who needs shelter from harm.
As Lumetta tried to explain, the criteria for coming into USA isn’t “gangs run the country.” If it were, then we’d be obliged to harbor all of N. Korea, Venezuela & Syria plus most of Africa & China. Billions of people “need shelter from harm” and it’s ludicrous to argue they “deserve” to come here. No one “deserves it.” That’s one big flaw in your feels-good GOV policy prescription.
I already “fronted the money” for decades… you just don’t know/care. But the free ride for all-comers is narrowing and there’s nothing wrong w/that, per Miller’s point @ America’s interests & Nat’l security. That may not mean much to you but my military service “over there” was done at the directives of the POTUS du jour to secure such security. Thousands of ours died trying to make havens safer for strangers in foreign lands, and I resent it when our sacrifice for their sake isn’t remembered or gets relegated to mean America owes everything to everyone.
Trump isn’t “kicking people to the curb.” Asylum applications are available. Afghans who haven’t assimilated don’t have to go back to the land of Taliban, there are ~25 nations that will accept/issue their visa upon arrival.
Don’t start dodging w/ detractors… No table. No pounding. I directly addressed your points 5x “in quotes” and I pulled from Lumetta and Miller, by name, to keep us on target. It’s in print and plain. Facts are there and it’s all relevant.
I argued what I argued and it had nothing to do w/ comparing conditions. If you’re truly interested in talking about this topic, at least read what I wrote. Seriously.
I did. Your repetition of administration talking points does not provide any actual refutation, and your overseas service, which I am sure gives you very strong feelings about certain topics, is utterly irrelevant to the question of refugee policy.
QED. Not wasting time refuting straw-men about your misunderstandings & distortions. I’ll just point out your continued dodging. Nothing to say about facts I noted @ asylum, applications, visa nations.
“Haiti for everyone” you say… Tom, America isn’t the world’s largest harm shelter. “Everyone” isn’t welcome for the reasons Miller mentioned. I don’t need to repeat Miller to refute your talking points, bc Admin “policy” speaks for itself to refute. I get you don’t like it, but your disagreement doesn’t make you right by definition. With 10-15M illegals milling about @ USA, you’ve gotten too used to rolling out red carpets. Rules make you feel mean.
“I don't know the situation in South Africa 🇿🇦” others say. That pairs well w/ “racist” rants over a handful of Dutch descendants under duress. You can’t fathom the fact Trump is narrowing “past administrations” plans to use USRAP “as a way to solve global poverty”… but he is. Trump is serious to solve the list of “multigenerational problems” Miller addressed, even if you aren’t. Refuted.
FYI: My service has nothing to do w/ “very strong feelings” and everything to do w/ defending American security & nat’l interests. That’s why it’s relevant. You’re smart enough to know that, seeing that’s what I wrote, so your cont’d cuts are noted as given. God bless you.
That was a lot of words to say "I can't actually defend this administration's refugee policy via logic or reason."
Let us be blunt: neither you nor the administration have provided any sort of evidence that the Afrikaners are in a more dire position than any of the other "refugees" the administration is kicking out, and all you can do when confronted with this is yell about how we have too many illegals.
If you consider having your actual position explained to you being "cut," that is not my problem.
Strike 3 Straw man…
The reason, “neither you nor the administration have provided any sort of evidence that the Afrikaners are in a more dire position than any of the other "refugees" the administration is kicking out” is — one more time — bc that isn’t the argument being made. You’re in an argument with yourself. “More dire” isn’t the deciding factor. And “kicking out” isn’t the scene. But I repeat myself. These issues are hard enough to discern on their own, but it’s impossible when you won’t interact w/ the issues, as stated. Once you get out of the illogical loop, maybe we can talk.
Yes, I understand that you would rather talk about anything else than the fact that there is no way to defend this administration's refugee policy based on any kind of consistent principle regarding who should or shouldn't be considered a refugee.
“there is no way to defend this administration's refugee policy based on any kind of consistent principle regarding who should or shouldn't be considered a refugee” … bc there’s more factors involved, as the policy states. Curious, you talk about that, as the policy states.
Thank you for finally just admitting that neither your nor the administration's criteria for "refugee" is based on objective reality.
I appreciate honesty.
Laura Fredrickson
Not even bothering to dog whistle for the white supremacists anymore, I see.
Jessica Boudreaux
The term "reverse racism" is misleading, implying that racism is inherently from whites toward blacks. It's not "reverse racism." It's simply racism.
As a physician who has done many refugee and immigration physicals and met amazing people in the process, I’m eager for our nation to again receive refugees from many countries. But with the huge backlog in paperwork for USCIS even before the Biden border catastrophe, I can understand a 3 month pause. I have met Afrikaaners (with work visas, not refugees) who fled their farms to avoid being murdered as their neighbors were. And as people who understand how democracy works, they assimilate well. I’ve also met Iraqis whose close relatives were dissolved in acid, Sudanese who chose swimming in crocodile-infested water to dodge bullets, Lhotsampa Bhutanese who were forced at gunpoint to leave Bhutan because they were ethnically Nepali, Somalis who saw family members knifed to death by insurgents. I wish the US could take all who qualify for refugee status, but it would easily probably quadruple our population. I haven’t heard of anyone else helping the Afrikaaners, and they are as deserving as the next refugee.
My problem is not accepting them; it's that we have slammed the door on the others, even those who were already vetted and approved, and then opened the door to these.
This is so reminiscent of what happened in Zimbabwe. Julius Nyerere advised Mugabe to “protect your whites, because they will help your country.” Mugabe did for a time, but then allowed the “Wovets” (war veterans) to take over the land, leading to slaughter and the fall from Zimbabwe being a huge exporter of food to a failed state that cannot feed its own country. The wisdom of Nyerere and Mandela is being forgotten.
Is it not the height of prejudice to have such low expectations of African nations that we close our eyes to their atrocities against minority whites? I applaud Trump for receiving these threatened people.
Why are we closing our eyes to the atrocities everywhere else? I don't have a problem with opening our doors to suffering people. We should. I don't know the situation in South Africa. It may be just as is described. But why are we rejecting people from Sudan, from Afghanistan, from Haiti? Not just rejecting them, but sending them back! Why?
There are very few possible answers that don't begin and end with the word racism.
I certainly agree with you. How can we close the doors to Afghans, particularly those who are facing potential death or imprisonment for helping us? I believe we do need a secure border and a strong vetting process for entry into our country, but we still need to be an asylum for the persecuted.
Agreed 100%
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Nah. This is racist. When you reject every other refugee, including many that were already "extreme-vetted" and approved, and then only open it up for white refugees, that's racist. Full stop.
If it barks like white supremacy, and walks like white supremacy...
Not to mention the high level of cruelty in turning away hurting refugees.
I'm not saying there's not a case to be made for South African refugees. But that's not why this is happening, when it's paired with the rejection of all others.
Dare you to go squat your white face on a farm @ South Africa and then come tell me: “Nah, this is racist.” Yeah, that’s what I thought.
There is no “rejection of all others”… Just closing borders, stopping illegals & enforcing existing laws after 4 years of unbridled Biden barking against American sovereignty.
Spit out the hook & take another look.
Sure, if you'll front the money for it.
And yeah, I did take another look. Noem is lying about "Afghan stability," Trump is ending status for people from Haiti despite the fact that gangs run the country, etc.
The Afrikaners might well deserve refugee status. I could easily be convinced that they do. But there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that they deserve it more than people Trump and his administration are kicking to the curb, and the fact is that the Trump administration's refugee policies stink to high heaven of identity politics rather than a just view of who needs shelter from harm.
Snowballs & straw-men…
As Lumetta tried to explain, the criteria for coming into USA isn’t “gangs run the country.” If it were, then we’d be obliged to harbor all of N. Korea, Venezuela & Syria plus most of Africa & China. Billions of people “need shelter from harm” and it’s ludicrous to argue they “deserve” to come here. No one “deserves it.” That’s one big flaw in your feels-good GOV policy prescription.
I already “fronted the money” for decades… you just don’t know/care. But the free ride for all-comers is narrowing and there’s nothing wrong w/that, per Miller’s point @ America’s interests & Nat’l security. That may not mean much to you but my military service “over there” was done at the directives of the POTUS du jour to secure such security. Thousands of ours died trying to make havens safer for strangers in foreign lands, and I resent it when our sacrifice for their sake isn’t remembered or gets relegated to mean America owes everything to everyone.
Trump isn’t “kicking people to the curb.” Asylum applications are available. Afghans who haven’t assimilated don’t have to go back to the land of Taliban, there are ~25 nations that will accept/issue their visa upon arrival.
That was a lot of table-pounding, with precious few facts in it that were relevant to the matter at hand.
Are you seriously going to try and argue that conditions in South Africa are worse for Afrikaners than they are in Haiti for everyone?
Don’t start dodging w/ detractors… No table. No pounding. I directly addressed your points 5x “in quotes” and I pulled from Lumetta and Miller, by name, to keep us on target. It’s in print and plain. Facts are there and it’s all relevant.
I argued what I argued and it had nothing to do w/ comparing conditions. If you’re truly interested in talking about this topic, at least read what I wrote. Seriously.
I did. Your repetition of administration talking points does not provide any actual refutation, and your overseas service, which I am sure gives you very strong feelings about certain topics, is utterly irrelevant to the question of refugee policy.
QED. Not wasting time refuting straw-men about your misunderstandings & distortions. I’ll just point out your continued dodging. Nothing to say about facts I noted @ asylum, applications, visa nations.
“Haiti for everyone” you say… Tom, America isn’t the world’s largest harm shelter. “Everyone” isn’t welcome for the reasons Miller mentioned. I don’t need to repeat Miller to refute your talking points, bc Admin “policy” speaks for itself to refute. I get you don’t like it, but your disagreement doesn’t make you right by definition. With 10-15M illegals milling about @ USA, you’ve gotten too used to rolling out red carpets. Rules make you feel mean.
“I don't know the situation in South Africa 🇿🇦” others say. That pairs well w/ “racist” rants over a handful of Dutch descendants under duress. You can’t fathom the fact Trump is narrowing “past administrations” plans to use USRAP “as a way to solve global poverty”… but he is. Trump is serious to solve the list of “multigenerational problems” Miller addressed, even if you aren’t. Refuted.
FYI: My service has nothing to do w/ “very strong feelings” and everything to do w/ defending American security & nat’l interests. That’s why it’s relevant. You’re smart enough to know that, seeing that’s what I wrote, so your cont’d cuts are noted as given. God bless you.
That was a lot of words to say "I can't actually defend this administration's refugee policy via logic or reason."
Let us be blunt: neither you nor the administration have provided any sort of evidence that the Afrikaners are in a more dire position than any of the other "refugees" the administration is kicking out, and all you can do when confronted with this is yell about how we have too many illegals.
If you consider having your actual position explained to you being "cut," that is not my problem.
Strike 3 Straw man…
The reason, “neither you nor the administration have provided any sort of evidence that the Afrikaners are in a more dire position than any of the other "refugees" the administration is kicking out” is — one more time — bc that isn’t the argument being made. You’re in an argument with yourself. “More dire” isn’t the deciding factor. And “kicking out” isn’t the scene. But I repeat myself. These issues are hard enough to discern on their own, but it’s impossible when you won’t interact w/ the issues, as stated. Once you get out of the illogical loop, maybe we can talk.
Yes, I understand that you would rather talk about anything else than the fact that there is no way to defend this administration's refugee policy based on any kind of consistent principle regarding who should or shouldn't be considered a refugee.
That is not my problem.
Funny guy… fool me once…
“there is no way to defend this administration's refugee policy based on any kind of consistent principle regarding who should or shouldn't be considered a refugee” … bc there’s more factors involved, as the policy states. Curious, you talk about that, as the policy states.
Let’s be blunt… It is your problem.
Thank you for finally just admitting that neither your nor the administration's criteria for "refugee" is based on objective reality.
I appreciate honesty.
Not even bothering to dog whistle for the white supremacists anymore, I see.
The term "reverse racism" is misleading, implying that racism is inherently from whites toward blacks. It's not "reverse racism." It's simply racism.
Carolina, keep up the excellent reporting.